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UPDATED: The CW Is Planning To Give DC Comics’ The Flash A TV Series

I know, guys…I know.

You have Arrow to thank (or curse, as the case may be). According to Deadline this morning, “I’ve learned that the network is fast tracking Flash, a drama project based on the DC character from the Arrow team of co-creators Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg and director David Nutter. The CW is expected to discuss the project at today’s TCA presentation.”

So we may get more details later today (if so, we’ll update the post) but for now, here’s the gist:

I hear there is an idea is to introduce The Flash on Arrow next season before spinning his off into his own series. I hear Flash will be written by Berlanti, Kreisberg and DC Entertainment’s Geoff Johns who also has written for Arrow. Nutter, who helmed the Arrow pilot, will direct the potential pilot, while Berlanti and Kreisberg are expected to run the potential series. Marc Guggenheim, who developed and executive produces Arrow with Berlanti and Kreisberg, is not involved in Flash as he busy with Arrow, now heading into its second season.

This news is rather surprising considering we heard rumors the week of Comic-Con of The Flash movie (long in development) getting a 2016 release date. While that rumor didn’t turn into fact at the Warner Bros. panel, others mentioned with it did. Namely, Batman joining Superman for Man of Steel 2. But something else to point out about Comic-Con is that there was no mention of the “redeveloped” Wonder Woman show from The CW, Amazon.

Today, Deadline writes “This past development season, the CW developed a Wonder Woman origins project, which didn’t go to pilot. The network in May commissioned a new script with a new writer which has been delivered, but I hear the network has hit the pause button on the project. Flash is certain to get a priority given its A-list auspices.”

I have no problem with the Flash coming to television again. What I do take issue with is hitting “pause” on a project already in development which deserves your undivided attention. If Wonder Woman is so “tricky,” sit down with your best minds for a week and figure it the fuck out. When you crack it, you’ll be able to stop giving excuses on why it hasn’t happened yet.

Putting that aside, the other thought that came along with this news was the lack of diversity in our mainstream comic adaptations. While the character Static had great exposure and acclaim in the 2000 animated series Static Shock, we haven’t had a minority hero get the spotlight since. In fact, actor Anthony Mackie, set to play the Falcon in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, is well aware of the gap. “The biggest thing for me, the most exciting thing for me, is to come out on Halloween and see all the little black kids dressed up like the Falcon,” he told Entertainment Weekly. “There are so many parts of our society that are not catered to or represented fully and this will give a new generation of our society someone to look up to and identify with. That’s why I am so intensely focused on bringing the character to life in a special way.”

For similar reasons, Mackie hopes Wonder Woman gets made sooner rather than later, but in this instance, I see room to make a positive change. Barry Allen (or Bart Allen or Wally West) is not a character whose origin story or background details are tied to any specific regional culture. They could conceivably cast someone of a different race for the role. Though I won’t hold my breath on that.

Overall, I’m starting to get the feeling Warner Bros. should forget about their superhero movie projects and focus on TV shows instead. And as our Managing Editor Susana Polo pointed out when I mentioned that idea, with the CW being a basic cable channel, “Then I wouldn’t have to pay to watch them.” By the by, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, the latest DC Universe Animated movie, is available today.

[UPDATE] Just a small bit of info from the TCA presentation. Deadline writes:

During the CW executive session, the network’s topper Mark Pedowitz gave more details about The Flash project. It will be the origin story of Barry Allen who will be introduced as a recurring character on Arrow this coming season starting in the fall. “We want to expand the DC universe of characters,” he said. As for how the project came together, Pedowitz said he late last year brought up the idea to DC Entertainment president Diane Neslon who turns out had already been discussing it with WBTV’s Peter Roth and producer Greg Berlanti. Pedowitz also confirmed that “Amazon is on pause (as) the script is not exactly what we wanted, and with an iconic character like Wonder Woman, we have to get it right.”

The Hollywood Reporter adds:

“He may not come in with superpowers,” Pedowitz said, noting the casting process is already underway. “If we get a name, great, if we don’t get a name, they’ll become a name.”


For his part, Berlanti is also developing a Flash movie for Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment, with sources telling THR that the feature is being eyed for 2016. Berlanti will direct and pen the screenplay alongside Chris BrancatoMichael Green, Johns and Guggenheim. Pedowitz also noted that there is no conflict with the movie studio or DC when it comes to the TV series and feature film, as previous efforts have proven troublesome when there’s such an overlap.

(via Deadline, art by Francis Manapul)

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  • Anonymous

    Probably a TV show is kind of testing ground if the character would also work on TV. As they are not able to make Wonder Woman as a TV show (today) there will be no Wonder Woman movie. And I heard that they are also very hesitantly with the proposed “Flash” movie in 2016. So, maybe they are just trying the waters for that character?

  • Anonymous

    There can’t be a new Flash series, Dawson’s dad died.

  • Anonymous

    Screw this crap – I so sick of the way DC/Warner Bros. treats Wonder Woman!

  • J Ritchey

    This brings up a number of interesting questions. For one, Arrow was always pushed as being in a world without powers. This would appear to reverse that. Does this make tying either show (or both) into the new film continuity more likely?

    While it’s unfortunate [read: bull$#@!] to see yet another WW project apparently shelved, I’d rather see her on the big screen (though I’m obviously not holding my breath for that). Flash (especially Barry) is probably more appropriate for television (Superhero CSI? How is that not already a thing?). Some diversity would be nice though.

  • Adrian

    The only logical conclusion I can draw from all of this (the past few decades) is that DC/WB has little to no interest in the Wonder Woman IP and until we see a changing of the guard, nothing will happen. It’s sad and a waste. The only way to make the current stakeholders care, is to speak with our money. But since they produce so little Wonder Woman product (comparatively), our voices never go high enough to reach them. Where do Wonder Woman fans go from here?

  • Anonymous

    This just enforces my love of Anthony Mackie and my desire to see him in Avengers 2 as well.

    As for the Flash, that’s a bit of a gamble. Arrow’s greatest strength is that it’s about a hero with no powers, so he can easily get by on a TV budget without everything looking horrendously cheesey. The Flash (especially his villains) are kind of “out there” and silly, so I think it’d be really difficult to do them without them coming across as A) ridiculous and B) really low rent and cheesey looking.

  • Jose Saucedo

    It’s gonna be called Scarlet Speedster. It’s about a lab tech who gets this formula called the Speed Force that allows his car to go faster than anyone in Central City. He fights crime as the Scarlet Speedster. People keep alluding to this “Flash” of red then he’s gone. In the season ender he is working late in the lab when he gets hit by lightning and covered in Speed Force, which kinda gives him powers. Insert bad costumes and over the top drama into what should be a light hearted character. Where is my check CW?

  • RodimusBen

    Are people really still buying the “Wonder Woman is tricky” line that we’ve gotten from about a half dozen people in Hollywood now?

    WB doesn’t want to do Wonder Woman, in TV or film. It’s that simple. The people with the money just don’t think it will be profitable.

  • Aeryl

    There was a Flash TV show in the 90s that I didn’t think did too bad on the effects, but I can’t remember if the show pulled villains from the comics or not. I seem to remember they were all just run of the mill crooks(I remember the show only because the lead was from my hometown)

  • Aeryl

    It is a thing, see Agents of SHIELD.

  • Jill Pantozzi

    Mark Hamill was the Trickster in that series. :)

  • Aeryl

    Probably another reason why I remember it!

  • Suzanne Larsen

    Come ON. That’s it, screw the legalities, I’m just gonna film my OWN Big Damn WW Movie.

  • Anonymous

    It could work. The Flash was one of the more entertaining characters in the JLA and JLU animated series.

    The only question then becomes, what to call the show? As DC/WB seems to be embarrassed by their own comic book properties they obviously can’t just call it “The Flash.”

    Speed? Blur? The Wonderful Wacky World of Wally West?

  • J Ritchey

    That looks more like Castle, X-Files, or (if we’re very lucky) Torchwood with superheroes. I’m thinking something that emphasizes the forensics more, since that is his field of expertise.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s be honest here: this is the best thing that could happen to Wonder Woman. Whoever is going to get the character right, we know it’s not going to be the CW. First of all, it’s the CW. Second of all, she’s an Amazon who has to deal with Greek Gods. A good, faithful Wonder Woman tv show would need a pretty sizeable budget to work. In that sense, the Flash is a better character for them because they won’t need to build a new universe around him and his villain gallery (other than Gorilla Grodd) don’t need that much special effects.
    I don’t think the show will be good but a bad Flash series won’t have any consequence, while a bad Wonder Woman series would delay her movie for at least a decade more.

  • J Ritchey

    Aside from Trickster as a Joker stand in (I don’t remember which Hamill did first), they also had Mirror Master, “updated” to use holograms. I think most of the rest were original to the show, or very vague references at best.

    I miss that show.

  • Mark Matson

    It would be very strange if The Flash was a spinoff of Arrow, given how Arrow has eschewed true superpowers in favor of hypercompetence. Give that paradigm, the Flash would just be someone really, really good at running and better than “that hooded guy without a name” at parkour.

  • Veronica Cristina

    You know that when Warner want, they get stuff done. Man of Steel is a good example. Impossible that there is no one competent enough to do a WW project

  • Mark Matson

    They can’t use The Blur, because that was Clark Kent’s name. I’m going with “that really fast guy”.

    Seriously, why can’t they just get the name Green Arrow into the show? It is just idiotic. That is particularly obvious now that they all know about the impostor with black arrows instead of green ones.

  • Aeryl

    Well, there are Fitz and Simmons, so forensics will be in, but likely not emphasized.

  • Mark Matson

    “Wonder Woman is tricky” because it would mean having a female super hero! Like, how could that possibly work?? What would she do with those powers? Presumably, she would assist some guy solving all the problems on the show, but who would that guy be and how would she do it???

  • J Ritchey

    I take that back, they did use Captain Cold, freeze gun and all.

  • Harrison Grey

    On the subject of Wonder Woman, I am okay as long as we’re not getting a crappy version. As much as I am loath to admit that Wonder Woman is difficult, the fact is that Hollywood seems to be having a rather hard time about it. For them to take it slow instead of going to series with a terrible version is better news than us ending up with the “orgasmic ice cream scene” on TV.

    And as for the Flash, darn it, I am genuinely excited. The CW is about the only people doing DC right at this moment (never thought I’d say that), and them giving this character a chance is good news, especially if they use this opportunity to bring super powered characters to the Arrow Universe and make a shared universe from there. It just gives us a stronger possibility of any of the other characters, Wonder Woman included.

  • Ashe

    Holy shit. I think you actually thought it up…

  • TheChief

    We have had several female lead TV shows to show this would not be a problem, Xena, Buffy, etc. I don’t really see any valid reason against it. She needs to get on screen soon. But she also needs top level writing.

    Plus pretty psyched to see the Flash get a show. I am glad to see him getting more respect recently as he is the most important character in the DCU.

  • Laura Truxillo


    I’d love to see a Flash show, but not right now. Not when they can’t even manage to make a Flash comic. Not when they’ve whittled down the Flash Family to Barry Allen and…meh? Not when they’ve reduced the Rogues to generic (and in most cases “tragic”-ish) supervillains instead of the darker shade of grey they’re best at. Not when every live action thing put out by DC relies on being grimdarkserious. Not when the current Flash is so. Freaking. Boring.

    And sure as heck not when there’s still a regime stuck in the mindset of “Wally who?”

    Okay, because I love pulling this one out, best way to do a Flash series and make it something original: start in a world with superheroes, right after Barry Allen is killed. Doesn’t matter how, just heroically. Focus on high school-aged Wally West trying to overcome his own selfishness and self-doubt, while at the same time living up to the memory of Saint Barry that other (adult) superheroes, and even old villains hold over his head. Make it lighthearted and fun, with a cocky protagonist gradually growing up and maturing. Bring in the old Rogues as only half-villains. Build the Flash family up.

    Make it an origin story. But not a story about how he got his powers–because look, seriously, NO. ONE. CARES. Not for Flash or 90% of other heroes. No one really cares how they got their superpowers, because it’s always some contrived plot convenience that we nod through to get to The Good Part: the part with a superhero.

    Make it a story about how one immature kid became the Flash.

    They never will.

  • Laura Truxillo

    I’ve watched it and…it was pretty terrible. The effects were pretty lousy, even for then, and the bodysuit made the Flash look stumpy and lumpy. Moreover, though, for a show about the Flash–it moved so freaking SLOW. And Barry wasn’t particularly likeable.

    And yeah, it seemed more like someone had once read a cliff notes about Flash than anything. Even the characters they brought in were bizarrely changed (Jay was his brother who died, the Trickster was a freaking murderer, I don’t even).

  • Laura Truxillo

    Wonderful Wacky World of who?

  • AverageDrafter

    This only works if WB is expanding their shared MoS universe with their TV shows… which I don’t think is a terrible idea, they’ll just need to tweak Arrow to get them there.

    If this pulls Flash 2016 off the table and replaces it with WW 2016, all the better.

    I find it difficult to believe that they would do both a TV series and a Film for Barry Allen, unless they are directly related.

  • TheChief

    Sounds somewhat like a Flash version of Smallville. I like the idea.

    On another note, it seems there is a lot of hate for Barry. I actually really like him. I think it is probably because I see myself in him. Not much love for the straight-laced nerdy guy. I do like having Wally there to show the contrast between them. It will be nice when he is back.

  • Mark Matson

    Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was more obvious.

  • TheChief

    Sorry, I did see it. I should have mentioned it was more of a general comment, but it went along with what you were saying.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t hate Barry until editorial mandate made me hate him.*

    (*mostly sarcasm, tho)

  • Anonymous

    You’re going to get sued SO hard.

    Worth it. I’m in.

  • Anonymous

    …and the best thing about the show, hands down.

  • Brian

    Donald Glover for Flash. I’ve been saying that since before people were saying Spider-Man.

  • Brian

    Yeah, but they made him an Evil Albino in a New-Wave type outfit. And his name was “Leonard Wynters”. Sheesh.

  • The One True b!X

    Hollywood, as I see it, only sees Wonder Woman as “tricky” because they’re afraid of the character. (Worse, they’re needlessly afraid of the character.)

  • The Gaf

    Donald. Glover.

    Mic drop.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Huh, a flash TV show that will share a universe with Arrow…I suppose the ‘arrow is a nolan like universe with no supernatural’ has been disproven already….Should be interesting to see where this concept of a live tv dc universe goes.

    And the flash movie is also in the works…Will probably be in seperate universes though.

    Im actually looking forward to a tv show revolved around Flash, even Barry Allen. I mean, there have been a number of awesome flash family members over the years such as Iris West and Jenni Ognats who have a much higher chance of appearing in a flash oriented tv show than anywhere else.

    A bit disappointing about Wonder Woman, though they really need to stop looking to past tv shows like Lois and Clark or Arrrow where the secret identity was half the point and look at material like ‘Xena Warrior Princess’ and ‘Hercules the legendary journey’ that while set in a different era, did a fine job of showing how a tv show with a low budget could pull off greek mythos and protagonists with superhuman abilities.
    I would depressed if the tv series problem with wonder woman is that ‘Diana Prince’ hasn’t been a thing for decades making the secret identity angle difficult to marry to the character and that they don’t know how to pull off her various super powers like flying without making them look blah (unlike original tv wonder woman who was a magic gadget heroine with jet’s and lasso’s and armlets)

  • Laura Truxillo

    Yeah, Smallville’s kind of the idea–it’s easy for non-comic readers to jump on and get them interested in the greater mythology of the DC universe, it’s relateable to a somewhat neglected part of DC’s current audience (that is, young teens. They might be watching Arrow, but it’s not really made with them in mind).

    Like Howard, I didn’t really hate Barry until I was sort of made to hate him. If he’d been allowed to share the stage, I might just be a little ambivalent. If he’d really owned his book, I would’ve been a fan (if I can love Jaime as much as Ted, I imagine I could’ve loved Barry as much as Wally). But it just meandered. For some reason, it moved way too slow, and Barry became a boring character. Not talking Silver Age–you get a lot of slack in the Silver Age, and he was what he was. But in the nuFlash, after a year or so I still just didn’t have a bead on his personality or a real reason to like him. Part of that was the cardboard feeling of the nu52 compared to the rich, decades-long mythology of the previous incarnation, but also just…he didn’t seem to do anything unexpected.

    More than that, though, even preDCnu, I think Barry served the DC Universe mythos best as Saint Barry the Dead. One of the first major heroes (or THE first) to fall and to stay dead, with consequences that reached multiple characters across multiple books. Someone whose lose unified the superhero community but wasn’t taken back within a year. Someone that other heroes could hold up as a reminder that one day they might make the ultimate sacrifice, remembered with honor and fondness by heroes and villains alike. He added an interesting texture to the DC universe in his Gone-But-Not-Forgotten state, and still managed to influence stories either through his legacy or his occasional time-travel-alt-dimensioned-what-have-you presence.

  • Adam Cross

    they, at least, gave us a good Wonder Woman animated film in 2009, which was more profitable than the Green Lantern: First Flight animated film which was released in the same year amongst the GL/Ryan Reynolds casting hype. It proves there is obvious money to be made with Wonder Woman, I don’t know, unless we know exactly what they’re thinking we’ll never know why they keep putting off a live-action feature.

  • TheChief

    My only problem with race(or ethnic) swapping is that I feel it sends a message that POC are inferior. They can’t have an original character succeed so they have to co-opt white (typically male) characters to be successful. As a Hispanic, I definitely want more POC being highlighted. But, I want it on their own merits, not piggybacking on an existing white character.

  • Adam Cross

    they already know that Wonder Woman WILL be profitable – they gave us a Wonder Woman animated film in 2009, which was MORE profitable than the Green Lantern: First Flight animated film which was released in the same year amongst the GL/Ryan Reynolds casting hype.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    well considering the number of fan films based on batman and superman on youtube i think you could get away with it and do it well. heck, there is a ‘death of superman’ fanfilm that prominantly features wonder woman in it.

    if you make one, i would watch it.

  • margrave

    I wonder if part or most of the problem they are trying to shoehorn a romantic subplot into Wonder Woman or worse a Love triangle. It wouldn’t shock me to find out they feel that Wonder Woman movie needs a team Peeta and Team Gale and they won’t greenlight a script without one.

    I really want to see the network notes on Joss’ script

  • Thomas Hayes

    I guess we could all start a concerted campaign to buy the 2009 film on DVD, but that’s pretty much it…

  • Brittany K

    I don’t understand why deciding to do a Flash tv show means they have to stop working on a Wonder Woman show?

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad they’re going for The Flash, and even gladder they’re not branching off from Smallville. Awful show.

  • Laura Truxillo

    No. Of course not. Wally Who? There’s only room for one speeder in this ‘verse, see.

  • Mina

    Oh good grief. I never thought of that. I truly hope not. That sounds horrific.

  • Mina

    I mean, this is nice news. A Flash show is definitely a show I will watch if they make it. But the more DC heroes they give films and TV shows to, the more glaringly conspicuous Wonder Woman’s continued absence is becoming. It’s just getting awkward at this point. On the one hand, that might be good. Maybe if they accidentally make it awkward enough for themselves, they’ll eventually feel like they HAVE to make a Wonder Woman movie just to keep from looking stupid. But on the other hand, if they just throw out a movie because they feel the pressure and not because they’ve finally decided it’s a movie that should be made, I don’t have high hopes for the quality of the film that would be produced.

    I think the demands for Wonder Woman are becoming harder to ignore though. Hopefully we’re getting closer to finally seeing one.

  • J Ritchey

    It was one of the first modern casualties of Bat-mania. The sculpted rubber suit, Trickster becoming a Joker knock-off, adding the vengeance angle with martyred “brother” Jay, even the theme song and a number of other changes were all an attempt to cash in on the success of the Burton Batman from the previous year. Balance that with still having to cope with the demons of the 60′s Batman series, which was what people still thought a superhero on TV had to look like, and you begin to see why the show looked the way it did. Also, I’m pretty sure the pacing was about standard for the era. Watch some early Star Trek TNG. It’s pretty rough too.

    The show had its shortcomings, but it actually broke a lot of ground for superhero shows at the time. More focus on his personal life. More fleshed out villains (really, characters in general). Casting someone physically fit. The special effects might not have been groundbreaking, but they were a lot more than you normally saw on TV at the time. This was before Lois and Clark, Hercules, Xena or Buffy, and just about the same time Batman TAS was just starting out. (I feel old now).

  • Anonymous

    Great. Another comic book reduced to teenage BS by CW.

  • Suzanne Larsen

    Wonderful Wacky World of Who is a British show, I think

  • Anonymous

    Poor Barry – you get a TV series announced and all we can talk about is WW… :) Speaking of which…

    I think one of two reasons WB describe WW as ‘tricky’ is because a pilot for a TV series WAS made – and it wasn’t very good. Especially considering the pilot attempted to bring Diana into a more ‘realistic’ setting. Which, btw, I think is the second reason we’re not seeing her in a movie now. Greek gods in the Nolanverse? I don’t see it happening.

  • Laura Truxillo

    Well, I’ll give Jason Todd this–him coming back made things WORSE. In a good way (that is, story-telling-wise).

    Barry coming back (and I’m not as familiar with the circumstances of Hal’s return) was, in-universe considered to be a good thing. There were, of course, complications (to say nothing of him basically being responsible for killing everyone, because, y’know, Flashpoint), but overall, everyone was pleased to have Barry back and he basically went right back to doing exactly what he’d been doing before (same could be said of Hal, I suppose).

    Jason became something new and turned what had already been a dark, horrible memory for Bruce into something even worse. Before, his mistakes with Jason got Jason killed. Now his mistakes with Jason get other people killed, and a child he raised is responsible.

    I’m really all for bringing characters back so long as you have new and interesting stories to tell with them that couldn’t be told with anyone else.

  • Elizabeth Wells

    Having come into comics with the DCnU (I know, I’m like a unicorn) I actually really like Barry. So I disagree with your first paragraph. That being said, I would watch your proposed Wally-show over anything (except maybe OUAT) on tv now.

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  • Elizabeth Wells

    So can we have a Gotham central tv show then? Diverse ensemble cast solving supervillain crime?

  • TheChief

    With good writing that could be excellent. I know they tried before, but Birds of Prey ruined the previous attempt.

  • Laura Truxillo

    Welp, now you’ve just gone and reminded me that pre-boot they totally set up a Flash Family thing where we’d see Irey in Impulse’s oversized red boots, and I was so stupidly excited for that, and…

    I’m sad now.

  • Anonymous

    “Barry Allen (or Bart Allen or Wally West) is not a character whose
    origin story or background details are tied to any specific regional
    culture. They could conceivably cast someone of a different race for the

    Alain Barre, a French-Ivorian crime-lab scientist who emigrated from Abidjan, Cote D’Ivoire. I’d dig that.

  • TheChief

    I mean they already have Steve Trevor. It is not like the have to make one up.

  • Jason Atkins

    Personally, I don’t think the thing that makes Wonder Woman tricky is the fact that she’s female: I think it’s the fact that she’s “dated”. She’s a star-spangled superheroine from an era when being star-spangled was a much easier thing to explain away. She was created in an era where women needed whatever voices and representation in the media they could get, whereas nowadays it’s much more important that Wonder Woman speaks the “right” message.

    Look at the animated Wonder Woman movie from a few years ago, for example, and look at the interplay between Diana and Steve. They portrayed Diana as someone who had a unilaterally negative opinion of the male gender, whereas Steve was there to say “Well hang on now, we’re not *all* bad.” Also, gender issues aside, there’s the politics of Wonder Woman’s attitude. She’s often portrayed as having the kind of attitude that, if there was a tyrant in some African country, she wouldn’t necessarily see the downside in swooping in and chopping off his head… an attitude that makes sense from her old fashioned Greek perspective on politics, and an attitude that might be popular with quite a lot of people… but that isn’t necessarily the kind of thing that you want to promote. Having a Wonder Woman who can act “in character” while also being set in the more realistic kind of world that Arrow/etc takes place in, where Wonder Woman can have a political opinion but it’s not necessarily the “correct” political opinion, where you want to have a strong and relatable heroine who is not really all that relatable because she’s a few hundred years out of date…

    It’s not impossible by any means, but it is “tricky”.

  • Jason Atkins

    Mark Pedowitz released a statement yesterday saying that development of the Amazon pilot is on hold, because of script problems.

    This does not mean that a Flash series is “replacing” Amazon. The important thing to note is that CW isn’t working on a Flash pilot. They’re doing a back-door pilot, introducing Barry before he gets his powers in episode 8 and 9 of Arrow Season 2… and then (reading between the lines) it looks like he might get his powers in episode 20. They aren’t making a full pilot, so they don’t need to do any of the budget/funding stuff to make a full pilot. They don’t need to establish a production infrastructure, because the Arrow production team is doing all that. They don’t need to cast a full pilot: just Barry Allen, the only character who will be appearing in Arrow. Production on Flash the Series won’t begin properly until after they’re done with Arrow… at which point they’ll need to cast the supporting characters, set up writing teams, production offices, build sets… we may not even get Flash the Series until Fall 2014.

    In the meantime, the CW has plenty of time to rewrite the Amazon script, and film an Amazon pilot. It’s a different production team, so the scheduling of Arrow has zero impact on things. Depending on how quickly the rewrite gets done, and depending on whether or not they like the rewrite, there’s probably still enough time for an Amazon series to be ready to air by Fall 2014 as well. If the CW ends up with all three, they might decide to stagger them throughout the year; having encountered superpowers in Season 2, Arrow might encounter magic early in Season 3, with Amazon picking up while Arrow is on hiatus.

    Plus, we don’t know how Superman/Batman plans have impacted things. We don’t know if DC plans to incorporate Arrow and this potential Flash series into their cinematic Justice League universe. If they have decided to do that, it’s entirely possible that DC feels it would be better to have a Wonder Woman movie, introducing the “big three” on the big screen, and then relying on television to introduce Flash… and given the relationships between Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, and Oliver Queen, it’s possible that the small screen might (re)introduce us to Hal as well, and Martian Manhunter and/or Aquaman for that matter. On the flipside, DC might decide that they want to keep the Arrow/television universe separate from the Justice League/movie universe… I get the impression that this is a decision DC hasn’t made yet, else they’d have come out and told us already.

    Sometimes, no news is neither good news nor bad news. Sometimes no news is just plain no news.

  • Jake Brown

    The Trickster was also Mark Hamill

  • Laura Truxillo

    Which was fine and hilarious, but c’mon, making him a psychotic murderer? It’s funny to see it as a precusor to his Joker, but I really would’ve liked to have seen the master con artist instead.

  • Jake Brown

    Oh the what they did to the trickster was pretty terrible I was simply remembering the fact that it was Mark Hamil.

  • Laura Truxillo

    Aliens in the Nolanverse, then?