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  • Anonymous

    Although it doesn’t necessarily fall into the purview of the site, I think Omar Little from THE WIRE is another good example.

  • http://twitter.com/hotandsauermama Alisa Kraut

    Hello! What about Captain Jack Harkness?!?!?! HOT, ambisexual and totally badass.

  • Anonymous

    What about the Bi-sexual Succubus Bo from Lost Girl?

  • Terence Ng

    I wish Shore Leave was my best friend. SSSPHINX!

  • http://twitter.com/_Laura33_ Laura

    I will never forgive Joss Whedon for killing Tara. Never. 

  • http://www.justplainsomething.com JustPlainSomething

    I have such a girl crush on Shoreleave and I think The Mary Sue nailed it on the head – he’s a exaggerated character in a show filled to the brim with exaggerated characters, so he’s really just a normal person like anyone else in that universe.

  • Anonymous

    I am incredibly surprised that Kalinda from The Good Wife doesn’t make this list. She’s such a badass that the fact that she’s “flexible” by her own sexual definition is just added bonus. I love seeing characters that are out and proud but it’s also really refreshing to see a character whose sexual identity is just PART of who they are instead of being all of it.

  • John Wao

    My guess is you’ll soon be adding the Doctor’s new companion to that list.

    Honorable mention:

    Max Plum from Happy Endings
    Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother

  • http://fempop.com/ Alex Cranz

    Any LBGTQ list that includes Xena and Gabrielle is a-okay by me. Both actresses confirmed post show that the characters were gay and Xena did get hot and heavy once with a lady on the show.

  • http://twitter.com/yeah_its_me Bri Lance

    What do you guys think about Dean Pelton from Community?  I mean he’s obviously queer and DEFINITELY non-gender-conforming.  It’s true that both of those things are often played for laughs, but I feel like that’s true of every trait of every character on the show.  And the show always seems to treat his various fetishes, etc., in a very straightforward and matter-of-fact nature.

    I dunno, personally he’s one of my favorite characters.  I guess I wouldn’t say that he’s a “badass” though.  

    I’m curious about other people’s take on whether he’s a positive or negative representation.

  • http://twitter.com/coreyregalado Corey Regalado

    Barney from HIMYM is gay? I’ve only seen a few eps, but I thought he was straight, played by a gay actor.

  • http://twitter.com/coreyregalado Corey Regalado

    Sam Adama from Caprica is another badass gay guy. Yeah, some critics, Feminist Frequency for one, think he’s actually a negative queer character because he’s a gangster (and I totally disagree), but . . . come on. One can’t argue his badassness.
    Anyways, thanks for this list. I didn’t know about Shuuichi Nitori and shall investigate her more.

  • http://creatinglittlemonsters.wordpress.com/ Erin

    Thank you!  YES!  This list is most definitely not complete without Jack Harkness.  Pardon me, CAPTAIN Jack Harkness.  <3

  • http://twitter.com/WanderinDreamr Helen the Dreamer

    For anyone who is interested in Wandering Son, the anime can be watched legally on Crunchyroll (abet the tv broadcast which, due to time constraints, had to merge episodes 10 and 11 into a single episode) http://www.crunchyroll.com/hourou-musuko-wandering-son and the first two volumes of the manga are out in the US as well (and, since the anime started 30 chapters in with the characters entering middle school, it’s new material to anime-only fans). Oh and the creator has also produced another lovely work called Aoi Hana (Sweet Blue Flowers) which also had an anime about two girls, one a lesbian and the other I think was bisexual with some other LGBT side characters (actually, what I think is the best about WS is that there are quite a few LGBT side characters as well, the story felt more fleshed out for showing that Shuu and Yoshino aren’t the only ones out there and that there is a whole spectrum of queerness).

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who can go out to buy cereal and accidentally rob a drug-house by leaning against the wall to light up on his way back (while wearing a blue silk robe) is about as badass as you can get.

  • John Wao

     Mea culpa. You’re right. I’m confusing the actor with the part he plays.

  • Anonymous

    I love everything but the inclusion of Lafayette. I think the scenes between him and Jesus were handled in a way that almost seems homophobic. While Tara and her girl are butt naked, getting it on in vivid detail, Lafayette are laying together in bed FULLY CLOTHED. If you watch their character’s closely, it’s less like they’re a homosexual couple and more like they’re an asexual one.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OD35QQZNBPZJXWTCBY7N4EE7VY Sarah

    As the article states, “(we put Jack on our list from last year)”.

  • http://twitter.com/Tarasoleil Tara Green

    I’ve always felt the “nebulous gender” anime in
    Sailor Moon was meant to symbolize 3rd gender/yin/yang in all of us. I found it
    elegantly presented and widely inclusive, especially for a teen audience.

  • http://twitter.com/Tarasoleil Tara Green

     So, so true!!

  • http://twitter.com/Tarasoleil Tara Green

    I think the character is fantastic. So overly stereotypical, yet so completely open and unapologetic, the actor sells it perfectly.

  • Zoe Chevat

     We debated

  • http://twitter.com/Sparkyu1 Sparky

    These are Badass characters? Not so sure on that: Lafayette is dogged by homophobic stereotypes, Shore Leave is a grossly offensive stereotype, Tara is yet another dead lesbian, Renly is the medieval manscaping dead-gay who hated the sight of blood and one wasn’t even portrayed as GBLT on the show.

    Is this the best we can do? And if it is, surely it’d be better to criticise this than praise the homophobia?

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I’m re-watching Buffy (somewhere around episode 13-14 of Season 7 just now) and Willow has a lot less to do as a character without her better half…and Kennedy seems like a last-minute attempt to revitalize her before the end.

  • Nick Gaston

    Shore Leave reminds me of a fun fact…according to series writer Buzz Dixon, GI Joe character Gung-Ho was gay. I think a giant Cajun Marine who’s used picked up Cobra troopers to use as clubs safely counts as “badass.” :)

  • http://twitter.com/Tarasoleil Tara Green

    Yes! If I ever had a sliver of a doubt that a gay actor can’t play straight, NPH would have proven me wrong at every occasion. Barney is mostly an eternally dissatisfied player (of ladies) and most of those men are at little somewhat gay, imo. Obviously, the character of Barney is meant to be deeply  wistful about meeting his true open love. Imo, NPH sells it all – and the character – perfectly well.

  • http://twitter.com/Tarasoleil Tara Green

    I’m a big fan of the Kinsey scale, namely that gay/straight isn’t an absolute, that we all have a given % that we can relate to. I believe NPH has some understanding of men-women stuff – plenty for acting, at which he excels. As a person, it seems he prefers men-men stuff overall, and seems focused on a monogamous family with the man he loves. I like his honesty.

  • Ben Gardner

    Has Diana Barrigan been on any of these lists yet?  Black, lesbian, totally badass FBI agent whose relationship with another woman is simply part of who she is, not a big issue or a token nod to inclusiveness

  • Anonymous

    I guess Emporio Ivankov from One Piece was too clowny to be included even though he is so badass and has a contagious laugh. HE-Haw! 

  • http://Www.hotfemmeinthecity.wordpress.com/ Natasiarose

    Great article! It sucks that there are no couples like Tara and Willow or Xena and Gabby on tv anymore. Boo urns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/electroepiphany Cody Sage Fulcher

    To be fair, Tara is “another dead lesbian” but that doesn’t discount her impact on queer women. To totally write her off as a failure and product of heteropatriarchy isn’t fair and absolutely minimizes the fact that she and Willow had a sexual, non-fetishized, complex relationship that was super positive for Buffy fans, especially myself during adolescence.

  • http://twitter.com/Sparkyu1 Sparky

    It bothers me to see this whole list presented as such a wonderful thing – the only conceded problem being the lack of POC and trans people – while completely ignoring how problematic, trope laden and homophobic so many of these characters were :( I mean, I get they did a previous list so are left scraping the barrel (which says a lot for the number of GBLT characters on TV) but that doesn’t really excuse throwing out a whole lot of dead, a character who wasn’t actually GBLT on the show and a lot of really offenive stereotypes and praising them uncritically.

  • http://timbrannan.blogspot.com/ Timothy Brannan

    Thank you for mentioning Tara and how her death was a blow to Whedon.  The fans are still angry and frankly that whole “Buffy gets a last wish” story he floated at a con a few years back sounds like BS.  Whedon realized he made the wrong move and had to lie (again) to get out of it.

  • Anonymous

    I know “badass” is subjective but Omar Little has a case for being the most badass television character ever so he feels a bit of a glaring omission especially when the artice mentions a lack of queer people of colour on television, And while I’m on the subject of The Wire, Kima Greggs almost certainly deserves a place too.

    P.S. Renly and Loras are far from the only gay characters in A Song of Ice and Fire too (though admittedly other than one or two of them the rest are fairly minor characters).

  • http://borderhouseblog.com/ Lake Desire

    Plus, Lucy Lawness and Renee O’Connor acted out a marriage proposal in character at the most recent Xena Con.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OOjI66ylFw

  • http://oaktree.dreamwidth.org/ oaktree

    I’m so amused that no characters from The L Word ended up on this list. And frankly, I’m totally ok with that, since that show jumped like, twelve sharks in the end, but. Yeah.

  • Anonymous

    This is a HUGE problem with queers on TV: sexy femme lesbians having graphic sex and gay dudes sitting next to each other in bed. The Wire was widely praised for the explicitness of Omar’s relationships, which were…not. Especially compared to Kima’s.

    Seriously, I don’t understand how people don’t think that TV is catered completely to straight white dudes.

  • http://twitter.com/Riviare Riviera

    I’ve always felt that Kennedy was a sort of last-minute Tara replacement… it’s a shame because she’s not a bad character, but the whole process is rushed and feels forced. :(

  • http://taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com/ Taste_is_Sweet

    That was terrifically written, fascinating and sensitive, but I’m afraid I also have to ask why a particular character was missing.

    http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus/cast/Agron

    Agron, one of the main characters in the Spartacus television series on Starz. He’s gorgeous, fearless, badass as all hell and also gay, which–historically accurately or not–is a complete non-issue to his colleague rebels. We’ve even seen some relatively explicit sex between him and his lover Nasir on the show, because Starz is all about the fanservice, regardless of gender or sexuality. Best yet, Agron and Nasir are one of the only two couples in the whole three-year series so far who’ve survived.

  • http://taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com/ Taste_is_Sweet

    My husband loved that show. I’ve never been a fan of soaps, so I never did, but I’ll admit some of the characters were badass until the meeting of the shark and the waterskis.

  • http://taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com/ Taste_is_Sweet

    OMG I forgot her! Yes, yes she is awesome and should have been here. I think the problem is the White Collar has a rather small audience, and as shows go isn’t really geeky.

  • http://twitter.com/Twyst Robyn

    He is all-around awesome.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Yeah, the whole process felt very organic with Tara, but Kennedy shows up, declares that she’ll be bunking with Willow, and the next time you see them they’re together…then they’re apart because Willow does a spooky spell…then they’re together again, in a matter of two episodes.

  • Anonymous

    I have to co-sign Omar.  And Kima while I’m at it.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure that having to put up with bullshit or being dead makes someone not badass.  And if Shore Leave was nothing but a stereotype he wouldn’t be a stone killer and an accomplished soldier. I’m not going to disagree that there are problematic aspects of to Shore Leave’s character, but he’s more three dimensional than you’re giving him credit for.

  • Francesca M

    Yeah I never accepted the Kennedy thing. I was like its barely been a year since Tara died, when they brought in Kennedy it was a ‘OH NOES WE ANGERED THE GAYS WE’D BEST GET WILLOW A NEW LADEE’ To me it felt like ‘oh we can just replace her’ and no. They really couldn’t. It was just.. lame.

  • http://twitter.com/Sparkyu1 Sparky

     Uh-huh because the genre totally deserves the benefit of the doubt, really? I’m disinclined to extend it – especially when we put it in this company and see what awful options (albeit dubiously praised) there really are out there.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think we’re praising them uncritically — as a queer person, I approached this list from the position of growing up queer and growing up using this characters as a method for my survival. I’m sorry there isn’t enough lengthy unpacking of the intricacies of homophobia in this slideshow. I can’t even watch shows like Glee, for example, because it’s a pile of problematic crap. Same for campaigns like Dan Savage’s It Gets Better, that is RIFE with horrible classist, racist, neoliberal bullshit. But I will never, ever totally discount those shows/campaigns on their face, just because I know countless queer kids are benefiting from it, even just a little. It sounds like a cop out, but queer survival comes first in my mind, and if problematic queer characters boost queer survival, enjoying them is fine by me.

    In any case, I apologize that we were too flip, that definitely wasn’t the intention. The intention was more, look at the bottom of the barrel, but hey, weren’t/aren’t these characters important to us?

  • Terence Ng

    Really? I thought Kennedy was a clear plot device to write about getting past the death of a lover. That’s basically her most important function: giving Willow a sense of attraction to someone other than the one she lost, which results in conflicting emotions, and then learning how to move past the sense of guilt. Anything Kennedy does with Willow after that point is pretty irrelevant (and was).

  • Anonymous

    Indeed, it would have been much more humorous on a cartoon that parodies action cartoon tropes if he was instead a gay character with no notable characteristics, whatsoever. Jesus, pull the stick out of your arse.

  • Anonymous

    Also, the more I re-read your second post here, the more I see it’s empty bloviating and anger with no actual point. You completely fail to understand the notion of putting forward a stereotype in order to subvert it. It’s people like you who have no understanding of comedy as social commentary and would instead limit such comment to dry, uninteresting tracts that I’m sure you’tr well-versed in.

  • Anonymous

    Kima Greggs, also! I’ve only seen one season so far but she was awesome.

  • http://twitter.com/SarahARoyce SarahAndrea Royce

    Poor, poor Ivanova.

    Not revoking the relationship with her xenophobic ex was not that hard, but then Talia. It was hinted that her relationship with Talia was very special because of her latent telepathy. And after the person(ality) she loved dies, she is emotionally abused and traumatized by what replaced it, giving her real problems to built up the trust that is needed for giving in to a relationship, and Markus was so shy…

    It was reviled in the epiloge that the ability to have a loving relationship finally died in the 21 years after Markus sacrifice. She even named the TVTrope “All Love Is Unrequited”.

  • Anonymous

    Haruku and Michiru were definitely beacons for me, as a teenager trying to get to grips with my sexuality. I’d already been a massive Sailor Moon fan, and it was like a light going on, knowing there were others out there.

    Thinking about their final scene in Stars still makes me tear up.

  • Anonymous

    The L Word is such a guilty pleasure for me. It’s fluff, plain and simple, even if it frequently drives me insane.

  • Anonymous

    Um… Renly was portrayed as gay (gay, not GLBT, he was neither a lesbian nor trans*). He had several scenes together with Loras where the only way it could’ve been more obvious that they were pre- or post-coital was if they’d been shown wiping themselves off. He wasn’t explicitly stated as gay in the books, to my knowledge, but that’s a different barrel of fish.

    I also think that you can’t dismiss him as just another dead gay, when long lifespans are not a known trait amongst the cast and his death wasn’t in any way connected to his sexuality.

    The same could be said for Tara. She was far from the first or last character to die in that show, and her sexuality was only one part of her character.

  • Anonymous

    The manga is also being released by Fantagraphics Books for anyone that’s interested.  It’s a really nice release, the volumes are all hard cover and have some full-color pages in the front instead being all black and white (like most manga).  The third volume just came out, and I would really strongly recommend buying them if the series sounds interesting to you.
    Really hoping to see more of Shimura’s work get brought over.  I’m a big fan of Aoi Hana as well. 

  • Anonymous

     Another fine choice would have been Nikki Wade from Bad Girls. Not only was she out and proud, she ruled the roost and got the girl in the end. Besides, the chemistry between Nikki and Helen just about burned a hole in my screen.

  • http://www.wulfmojo.com Wulfy

     The ‘All Love is Unrequited’ scene still haunts me from my childhood, it was such an emotionally charged moment.

    On the subject of Ivanova, I don’t quite agree with the article’s assertion that Ivanova’s bisexuality was never confirmed, given Ivanova’s confession to Delenn “I think I loved Talia”. Perhaps not the boldest statement, but as close as Ivanova ever got to actually acknowledging she could be in love. So for me, that’s a big tick.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597171283 Lisa Still Smouldering

     I have to counter the ‘near-sociopathic’ comment about Sam. While he may have seemed such at a glance on Caprica, he really seemed to do it more out of duty and as his ‘job’ in life, in his family. Joseph somehow got out of the ghettos and managed to go to law school, but one would suspect that Sam fought and won money to make sure he stayed there. The passing comments and reveal of his husband were quite impressive in their matter-of-factness. That Sam was essentially a mob assassin was just his ‘day job’ as it were, IMO.

    That said, someone who hasn’t looked beyond the original text of BSG wouldn’t know that either Gaeta or Admiral Cain were gay. Shame you didn’t include them in your list or at least include links to point to discussions about Razor and the web series (both fantastic secondary texts-is the web series on the DVDs? I had originally watched them on Sci Fi’s web site)

  • http://twitter.com/SarahARoyce SarahAndrea Royce

     Maye TVTropes needs a trope that exceeds “Tearjerker” that is called “Heartbreaker”

  • http://twitter.com/SarahARoyce SarahAndrea Royce

    Hm, speaking of Doctor Who. Whats about Ace? 

  • http://disqus.com/AmeliaJessicaPond/ AmeliaJessicaPond

    Apparently, according to Moffat, somehow we were supposed to figure this out, River is bisexual, too.

    And quite frankly River is just as badass as Captain Jack.

    Both deserve to be on the list.

    /ohmygod can you imagine if they met oh god the flirting/

  • http://twitter.com/Thessalia101 Emily Aoife Somers

    Fair points on ‘Wandering Son’ — but please keep in mind the original Japanese context of publication and its terribly rigid symbolic order of gender in the school system. That the trans girl hates sports, etc, may seem like conventional gender performance (and it is, sure) the effect in the original Japanese (since she’s straddling two genders in terms of who she wants to be and what falsities she must hide behind), these qualities mark her as exceedingly gender non-confirming.  It’s hard to explain–yes, it’s intended to make her more ‘girl’, but it’s more complicated since so much of the manga is about contravening the boy that is continually imposed upon her.

    And besides — she likes baking. Some trans women do. I make a pretty good vegan kasutera myself. 

  • http://twitter.com/penemuel I. S.

    I’d just like to point out that those of us who were watching Babylon 5 from the beginning noticed things regarding Ivanova’s & Talia’s relationship well before the point you mention – that really was the culmination of nearly an entire season’s build-up.

  • http://amidstdancers.blogspot.com/ Shard Aerliss

    I never got to the end of Xena (went off to uni and had no TV, and really, after the Hope fiasco I couldn’t be bothered with it) so was always mildly confused when people construed my liking the show as a sign I was a lesbian… because apparently we can’t watch shows about characters that are different to us. I always assumed people were just being idiots; claiming two people can’t be very close friends without it being sexual.

    Then I learnt Raimi and co ran with the whole bisexual thing, which was cool, for the time XD

    It’s a pity they never went that way with Iolaus. Well they kinda did when Michael Hurst was playing a woman. No man has ever looked sexier as a panto dame.

    Oh gods… I’ve just imagined the whole Dahok thing with Tony Todd and Gina Torres’ roles reversed. I may have broken my own mind.

    Aaaanyway…

    Lafayette Reynolds needs his own show. I managed three, maybe four episodes of True Blood and he was totally the best thing in it.

  • http://amidstdancers.blogspot.com/ Shard Aerliss

    Tara was killed to deal the final blow to Willow’s psyche (and because Joss enjoys killing his most loved characters), not because she was lesbian.

  • http://amidstdancers.blogspot.com/ Shard Aerliss

    Agron and Nasir are so sweet… I fear for Nasir’s safety in the next series because of this. Steve DeKnight is, after all, a Whedon alumnus.

    So okay, I fear for everyone’s safety in the next series… they’re all going to die!!

    ***SPOILERS***
    I liked Barca and Pietros too. And before anyone complains they were killed off; almost everyone has been killed off. They were a bit clumsy as gay characters (lessons were definitely learned for Agron and Nasir) but they were unashamedly in love (which is why Barca was killed off, I think; blow to the fans… just like all the other deaths. Oh Varro!).

  • http://taste-is-sweet.livejournal.com/ Taste_is_Sweet

    I completely agree about Barca and Pietros, especially about their deaths. In Spartacus’ world, no one can ever truly be happy. Which is why Agron and Nasir are so freaking doomed it’s not even funny.

  • ferrous_wyrm

     Hell yes.
    No Omar? No Kima? No way.

  • Anonymous

    The Genre is Satire. That’s what the Venture Brothers is, it’s a satire of adventure cartoons. Why doesn’t it deserve the benefit of the doubt? Because you say so? And you didn’t even address what I said. Shore Leave is more than just a stereotype. And considering that The Alchemist is also gay, you must realize that the writers are capable of depicting gay characters with more nuance than simple stereotype. You’re, like, inventing reasons to hate these characters, WTF for?

  • JW

    Having read the Season 8 and Season 9 comics so far… I have to agree. I didn’t like Kennedy in the actual episodes she first appeared in – she seemed really pushy and obnoxious, and sort of an obvious “ugh, alright, we’re sorry for killing Tara off, will you finally believe us that we weren’t doing it just because she’s gay if we give you a GAY SLAYER and pair her with Willow, regardless of chemistry!? SO THERE.”. But then in the comics sequels? She’s actually not a bad character. In fact, she has it more together than Buffy herself! Very adaptable person, despite the rough edges. I never liked her much in the TV series, but she’s grown on me in the comics…

    … you know, the comics where she’s broken up with Willow? Sigh.

    I won’t be one of those fans who’s like “they never should have killed Tara!!!”, because you know, there was narrative reason for it – narrative reason that was undermined by the response the next season, which was largely motivated by the bitching fans.

    And I do say “bitching”, because though I loved Tara and miss her greatly, as I’ve put it before – WHEDON DOES THIS TO ALMOST EVERY HAPPY COUPLE. If you’re a character who’s happy and interesting and likable, you will go through hell, just to see if you can survive it, and/or get killed off for emotional impact on both viewer and other characters. This is a thing with Whedon, and people KNEW it before it happened to Tara. They’re just so attached to her, they don’t want to see it, or feel she should be an exception “because she was a lesbian”, which would be more understandable if this weren’t also how straight people are treated on the same damn show.

    I’ve told people this, and had them respond “well, that’s just melodramatic then” and I’m like, “YES, congratulations! You know what the genre of melodrama is! Guess what series fits into that genre in addition to its other genres, to the extent that Wikipedia even lists it as an official genre of the series? Yep, BUFFY! Tell me again why you watched this show for a whole six seasons before getting pissed at it for doing what it constantly does? Oh right, because it’s not doing it to a straight character for a change. Yes, because that’s equal treatment, as opposed to just silly.”

    …I’ve even been accused of being anti-gay when I pointed this out! Considering I’m queer myself, and not terribly closeted at that, that was kind of hilarious.

    Now, do I wish her death had been less stupidly-rendered? An epic sacrifice or something, instead of a stray bullet? More time for Willow and her to say goodbye? Hell yes! All of that. But I’m not gonna claim that the show is anti-gay just for killing her off to emotionally torture her lover, when it has done that to it’s STRAIGHT TITLE CHARACTER* since the beginning. At least Willow wasn’t forced to kill her own lover, because that has happened at least once or twice on the show, you know, to other, hetero, characters. Including the title character.

    I don’t think this would still bother me after all these years, if most of those same people wouldn’t complain about Kennedy’s creation. It’s like – look, everything you thought was off about Kennedy, such as her glomming on to the grieving Willow, IS YOUR FAULT, because you’re the ones who were complaining loud and clear about how you thought Tara getting offed meant Willow was “being punished for being gay”.

    Do I acknowledge that the writers still could have done a better job? Well yes. But they still probably wouldn’t have included Kennedy at all, or certainly not in that context, if they hadn’t been pressured into “proving” they weren’t homophobic for something that, in the context of the show as a whole, should never have labeled that.

    Kennedy, meanwhile, is a much more interesting character without her relationship with Willow being a thing that is still happening. For that matter, so is Willow (over in the Angel and Faith comic).

    *I say “straight title character”… in the comics, Buffy is revealed to be sliiiiiiiiightly bi (in that, during a period of great stress, she briefly has and according to her, enjoys, a one-night stand with a woman), but she still seems to favor guys and there was no real indication of bisexuality before the comics, certainly not before Tara’s death, so, the point still stands I feel, especially since it was never a same-sex lover of Buffy’s that was offed (um, so far. Because knock on wood, they haven’t done that yet to Satsu, though frankly, she also hasn’t been in the comics much lately either. Then again, they’re already broken up with the understanding it was a one-time thing, so maybe she’ll be okay since they’re already Not A Happy Couple :P).

    Apologies for the rantage. :P Some of that has been festering for some reason.

  • JW

    I would like it to be known that people should not use phrases like “the fans are…”. It’s not good to generalize, particularly in a fandom like Whedon’s, which is extremely diverse, and very opinionated.

    Not all of us are “still angry”. I do wish her death had been something more impressive than “hit by a stray bullet”, that we’d had more of a long scene goodbye, and that the lack of Buffy-style resurrection hadn’t been bs’d away… but you can’t tell me you didn’t realize Whedon had a penchant for melodrama and killing beloved characters off until SIX SEASONS in, because that would tell me you weren’t paying attention for six whole seasons.

    I know many of my fellow queers (hey-o! does this surprise you?) who were fans of the ship want to claim it as a homophobic thing… but it wasn’t. It was done for dramatic reasons, to provide angst for Willow. Just like it was done numerous times to straight couples, many of whom didn’t last even a whole season, much less over two seasons. It could have been done better, but just because it was done AT ALL (which is often the argument I see), doesn’t mean it was “because she was gay”.

    Personally, though it’s my favorite Buffyverse ‘ship, and though I wish it could have been done better, I’m well past being “still angry” that she was killed.

    So please, stop pretending to speak for all of us. “Many fans” may be “still angry”, but “the fans” is a much wider, more diverse group than you’re making it sound like.

  • JW

    I have nothing to add to this, other than it’s pretty much my same experience. Right down to tearing up at that scene… in fact, I was watching it on a tiny computer screen in RealPlayer format fansubs (so yeah, this was YEAAAARS ago, heh), and none of that was enough to distract from how moving that whole bit was.

    Haruka and Michiru were my first ship, and will always be my favorite.

  • Sara Suzanne Berg

    In regards to Wandering Son, the manga is different from the anime and goes all the way until graduation. Not to mention it has another character in the show who questions her gender in the beginning, as well as a gay character who also has gender issues. The ending of the manga, which wrapped up recently, had me bawling.