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The Walking Dead Recap: Welcome to Your Doom


What can I say about this episode of The Walking Dead? Well, it was the season finale…

[SPOILERS]

Last week I wrote, “Now who gets the honor of killing The Governor next week in the finale?” Boy do I have egg on my face.

“Welcome to the Tombs” tried something new. The episode opened with a very video game-esque first-person shooter style shot from Milton’s perspective. We skipped The Governor confronting him about burning the walkers and straight to beating the hell out of him in the same room Andrea is being held captive in. It was a tense scene but I knew right away Milton wasn’t going to get his chance to kill The Governor simply because it was too early in the episode. Instead, The Governor instructs Milton to remove those ghastly tools we saw him so methodically lay out a few episodes ago. In doing so, Milton drops them all on the floor but neglects to pick one up. This is what we call foreshadowing. I’ll make a point about it later.

Milton makes his move against The Governor but fails miserably and is stabbed repeatedly. Not enough to kill him right away though. No, he gets to lay there on the floor and wait to become a walker so he can then kill Andrea as The Governor rubs his hands together like the evil villain he is. And here’s my first issue with this episode.

Look, I’ve never been stabbed in stomach. I’m sure it’s no picnic. But considering Milton knew when he turned, Andrea would be lunch, couldn’t he…I don’t know…use some of that adrenaline running through his veins to crawl five feet across the floor to pick up that pair of pliers for her? Nope. Too simple. Instead, Andrea has to kick off her boots and socks and try desperately to pick them up with her feet.

Back at the prison, the survivors are packing up for what appears to be their escape pre-Woodbury attack. We don’t see any real emotional resonance to Merle’s death except for a slight nod to his sacrifice. We also don’t see Rick apologize for almost getting Michonne killed until Michonne herself brings it up. But she totally understood the decision making process so there’s apparently no need to be pissed off at Rick. Meanwhile, Carl is a grumpy teenager pissed off about nothing.

The Governor has Woodbury residents riled up, telling them the prison residents were responsible for all the dudes Merle killed last week. They head off for the major attack we’ve been building up to all season. They blow up the guard towers, shoot a bunch of walkers, and then realize no one is shooting back. Upon deeper investigation, it appears the prison has been abandoned. Then a few smoke bombs go off in one of the dark hallways and walkers attack. On the way back outside, Glenn and Maggie open fire. But I’m pretty sure no one got shot. That is, until one teenage straggler intent on running for his life, stumbles upon Hershel and Carl in the woods. And I called it about two seconds before it happened – Carl shoots him point blank even though he was giving up. Makes sense, technically, but it’s a turning point for Carl.

Suffering what must have been an annoying defeat, The Governor flies off the handle and shoots almost everyone from Woodbury who took part in the prison attack. At least Martinez knows he’s insane now. And then he rides off into the proverbial sunset and that’s a wrap on The Governor for Season 3. What. The. Fuck.

One woman survives by playing dead, however, and the prison group finds her. She helps them gain safe access to Woodbury, which Tyreese and Sasha had been guarding. Since no one but older residents and children are left, they easily gain access to the torture rooms and find Milton and Andrea. Milton had since turned into a walker and was dispatched off-screen by Andrea but not before he took a huge chunk out of her neck.

Are you flipping kidding me?!

That’s it. We know there’s no way back for Andrea and after a few short moments of reflection she asks for a gun so she can do the job herself, i.e. shoot herself in the head before she turns. Michonne stays with her while she does the deed and that’s the end of one really annoying storyline. The last we see is the remaining Woodbury residents being welcomed to the prison.

Am I annoyed at this episode from a comic readers’ perspective? Yes, absolutely, the character of Andrea was completely wasted (I’m convinced Carol is the new Andrea). But I’m more annoyed from a TV viewers’ perspective. Why? Because this episode failed to live up to expected rules of fiction. While Chekhov’s gun isn’t an absolute, I am constantly annoyed when it’s ignored. The Governor laid out torture weapons and never used them. Not that I wanted to watch a torture scene but it wasn’t even implied they were used off-screen. You could argue they were laid out specifically for the escape but I’d say that’s pretty lame. And then you have the much-lauded battle that barely was and The Governor completely missing his comeuppance. So, great. Another season in which they have to face-off, or at least be wary of, the same villain.

At this point I’m 99% sure I’m not going to be watching next season, what about you? As much as I love the overall themes and story, I’m tired of being almost consistently disappointed. Let us know what you thought of the new episode in the comments!

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  • http://twitter.com/Romeobluez david mancha

    im waiting for AMC to say APRILS FOOLS!!!!

  • Anna

    What an awful finale. I’m still heartbroken/angry over Andrea’s death. Two eps ago she was fighting walkers and eluding the Governor on her own. In her final ep, she is stuck in a chair, trying to pick up pliers with her feet!?! And the best part is, she gets bit by MILTON?! I could overlook the poor writing/characterization before, but her sendoff was the last straw for me. Her death meant nothing, and was so shoddy/unbelievable. I feel so bad for poor Laurie Holden who has had to defend her character this whole time. Nope, I won’t be tuning in anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stormwize Susan Steeves

    “At this point I’m 99% sure I’m not going to be watching next season, what about you?” I think I’d have to agree with you on that one.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, about half way through this season as a HUGE fan of the comic, I’m not really interested in the show anymore. It’s kind of fallen off for me, sadly. I’ve nothing against the show – I just don’t feel like following it anymore, especially after this episode… It hasn’t got to do with losing characters really, just that it’s not appealing to me, I’d rather read the comic again, it was so amazing and flowed so much better. I feel like it has too much filler in the show…

  • http://tmirai.deviantart.com/ Talia

    Completely agreed. This whole episode just left me feeling completely irritated and disappointed in this show. Considering the first half of the season started off fantastic, it just tumbled into some poorly written and horribly paced storytelling that culminated in a slapped together finale that didn’t feel like a finale at all. 52 minutes into the episode, I’m looking at the clock and wondering “Okay, how are they going to kill the Governor in an epic show down between him and Rick and have time for conflict resolution and wrapping all other loose ends?” Well, the answer was they didn’t. And that was so friggin’ lame.

    The writers do a good job of setting things up in TWD. They create great foreshadowing and tense lead-up scenes…and then don’t do SHIT with them. All of the build up between Rick and the Governor. Their tense hear-to-heart attempt at peace making, the back and forth shoot outs at Woodbury and the Prison, Rick’s vow to get the Governor, Carl TELLING Rick he had to kill him–and they don’t even see each other the whole episode?! What. The. HELL. The whole infiltration scene into the prison was well done and extremely tense, but of all the people that walked out of the prison at the end of it going “yay we did it!” we only saw Glenn and Maggie shooting. THAT was the big finale boss battle?! REALLY!?

    And then the governor just shoots up everyone and leaves? That scene would have been so much more impactful if he would have driven to the prison after and slaughtered everyone there while Rick and team BAMF were away. But. No. He just…leaves. You create this psychotic, unsettling as fuck villain over the course of a season who is a great dichotomy to the anti-hero main character, and he just…fades out at the end? WHAT.

    And why did we need to see 9 scenes of Andrea struggling with the pliers and talking to almost dead Milton when, in the end, she just gets bitten? And in the lamest way possible. Not seeing her actual fight with Milton did nothing to make the scene more horrific, because by then I was already annoyed as hell that it took her so damn long to get the pliers. And why couldn’t Milton just wriggle over there and at least hand them to her? I hated Andrea. I really did, and I was hoping she’d get offed. But I couldn’t even take pleasure in her death scene because it was so horribly done.

    This show has had the worst consistency in regard to quality of writing season-to-season, and even episode-to-episode. I can’t say I’m super enthused about continuing it either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christina-Morejon/1058281650 Christina Morejon

    It pains me that I have to agree with everything you said, BUT, like the abused girlfriend I must be, I WILL be back for more next season because even when it fails to deliver a payoff, its still better than 98% of other shows out there.

  • Indigo

    I feel like the only person who didn’t mind the season finale as-is.

    Little surprised anyone expected sympathy for Merle’s sacrifice. It’s not like any of them were there to see his change of heart and realize that he was trying to help in his own misguided way — except Daryl. Even Michonne only had “he let me go” to go on.

    Re Andrea, Milton, and the Pliers: That’s a good point, actually, and one I hadn’t considered. But taking into account that Milton had just had a savage beating, and been stabbed, I’m not sure he had enough energy, even with the adrenaline, to do more than lie there feebly and speak weakly. He was not a fighter, and standing up to the Governor took all the fight he had left.

    Andrea, on the other hand, could’ve done better with her feet and the pliers. I can pick up things with my feet in less than 30 seconds, and she had the motivation of knowing Milton was going to turn walker and come after her. But she kept wanting to have a conversation. It was a cheap, lazily written way to build tension, and I expected better of the writers.

    On the subject of Carl, I feel like people have missed so much. He wasn’t angry “at nothing”. He was angry with his father. When we see the prison, we see him looking at the family photo. Why does he have the photo? Who helped him get it? Michonne. Put it together, and he’s angry that after he _told_ Rick in so many words that [Michonne] is “One of us”, that Rick was still okay (for a minute) with sacrificing her. To Carl’s mind, it appears that if someone is “one of us”, you don’t sell them out, and to my mind, he’s right.

    Further on, I have to stand with Carl again. He’s come a long way from the little boy who won’t stay in the house. Herschel seems horrified at what seems to be the kid turning into a cold-blooded hardcase. But the way I look at it, Carl told the kid to drop his weapon. The kid decided rather than do as he was told and set it down, he’d hand it over. That could easily have turned into another shootout, and Carl stopped it before it could.

    Carl’s emotions are way more complex than people seem willing to give him credit for. He lies to Rick at first, revealing he’s still at heart a kid who doesn’t wanna get in trouble. And when confronted on it, he reveals a reasoning that contains multiple levels of emotion. He’s still feeling sad and guilty over Dale, and owning his own part in that. He’s angry over Andy killing his mother. He’s grieving his mother. And he’s angry with his father for letting the Governor go when he had a chance to take him out earlier, which would’ve eliminated the whole situation with selling out Michonne. He’s afraid for the people he cares about and feels like he has to make tough choices since his father can’t or won’t. And he’s responding to what was told him a few episodes back by Marshall — never regret. That was a lot of continuity contained in that one little bit of dialogue there.

    I’m not surprised the Governor got away. I would’ve liked to have seen Daryl and Michonne track him down and kill him, and I have a feeling that’s still going to happen down the road. Finales always leave some loose ends to hold the interest for next season.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I started this season by saying I would never watch again after every episode and then they threw me a curveball with a pretty decent episode last week…and this this episode. They spend a season systematically ruining Andrea’s character, Carl reverts in the last episode, Carol is nowhere to be seen, and they win the war…AND MOVE EVERYONE INTO A PRISON. Instead of the fortified town. WITH HOUSES AND BEDS. If I’m not working before the next season starts, I probably won’t be able to afford TV, and if I am working then I won’t have time to watch anymore of this crap. Either way, yahoo, I’m done.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Merle did what he did for himself…just like every other decision he seems to have ever made. And he admitted to murdering sixteen people. So, screw him.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    That’s not true. There’s Downton Abbey. Or Sesame Street. Also, there are books. As in, read instead of watching television.

  • http://profiles.google.com/rickbman Rick Bman

    I think this would have been an excellent second to last episode of the season but it did not make a good finale. I was really hoping that at the end when they were unloading the people from the bus that The Gov would pull up to the prison in a tank (like the famous panel from the comics) and then the episode would end. But no… nothing happened. I’ll still watch though.

  • http://twitter.com/FerretFiles Ferret

    As an avid reader of the comic I wondered how the prison storyline might resolve, given that it’s taken a different route to get to the showdown. Disappointed that Andrea pegged it – strong character, unnecessary death. Also disappointed that Merle got his comeuppance last week – In S1&2 Shane gave Rick a whole ton of trouble, Merle looked like the ideal replacement. Another wasted death which removes tension from within the group. Finally, the Governor. Been thinking for most of the series that it would be Andrea who did him – dead wrong there. Expected the baby to be blown to pieces too, guess that’s just too much for TV.

    The comic has tones of Old Boy about it, in that each time Rick defeats a bad guy, a bigger, badder bad guy steps in to take his place. That’s how I expected WD the TV series to evolve. Instead, as Sheldon Cooper would say, The Governor looks set to become the Green Goblin to Rick’s Spiderman, the Joker to his Batman. Not sure I like how S3 ended, especially when you consider how strongly it began. It feels like the writers deliberately killed off Andrea & let the Governor escape, just to be different to the comic, when in fact it would have been a whole load more satisfying to keep Andrea alive and have one-eye die a horrible death..

  • John Wao

    That finale absolutely sucked.

    That was on the same level as The Killing.

  • Anonymous

    I remember giving up on this show when the midseason premiere happened. There was Rick yelling like a maniac at his dead wife wearing a white dress, and I said “Done!”

  • http://twitter.com/spartantown spartantown

    I loved the finale. I don’t understand everyone’s outrage. A lot happened that will reverberate into next season. The Governor’s total descent into madness, Carl’s new found Shane-like rebellion, new residents of the prison, a bigger role for Tyreece, etc. It seems some people had unrealistic expectations.

  • http://twitter.com/camimonae Camille Monae

    If Andrea hadn’t kept pausing to talk and wax poetic maybe she would have made it. I kept screaming “work while you talk, woman!!” And yeah, NOT moving into and taking over Woodbury in the Governor’s absence….COME ON,!! Yes, let’s move in a bunch of elderly and children to feed in this half zombie ridden prison instead of us taking over the town….OY! Yeah, I’m fairly fed up with this show. I hope Mad Men does better.

  • http://profiles.google.com/rickbman Rick Bman

    The problem is that this entire season has been this ridiculously slow buildup of tension mounting between the Rick’s Crew and The Gov’s crew and then that tension wasn’t released. It just kind of piddled out. Yeah, they did set up for next season (and I am excited for next season) but that doesn’t mean we had to have an unexciting conclusion to this season.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000639751451 Kenneth C Pennington

    It was a bit of a let-down, but not surprisingly so. I didn’t expect the Governor to die yet—they’ll drag that out until at least late in the next season. (I’ve been telling everyone to expect that … not sure why no one believed me.) Also, that prison set cost a small fortune on a show without much of a budget, so I figured they’d try to get a minimum of two seasons out of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1841108884 Craig Forshaw

    I stopped watching when the second half of the season came back and Rick shouted at Tyrese until he more or less went, “I understand you folks don’t want any trouble, so we’ll just wander back to that zombie-infested wasteland rather than try and convince you to let us stay. We don’t want it to get awkward or anything.”

    The big problem is the show is trying to do the comic book storylines, even though the story beats don’t really match up with where the characters are and require them to do stupid things to justify the events taking place on screen. Just look at Rick and Shane – that whole storyline could have been resolved by them actually talking to each other, so for most of season two they just didn’t do that.

    This season, the big threat was The Governor. In the comics, he was beloved by the people of Woodbury, and he gave them safety and entertainment in return. He was also a one-note character because to be as evil as he was he had to lack any real depth in the story, and it worked. Here, they tried to give him depth instead of a shocking introduction, and it killed the character stone dead. Whoever said “cut-price Liam Neeson” first deserves an award for the most dead-on description of the whole performance and character.

    Even then, the story could have been resolved about a dozen times by characters just taking to opportunity to off him. Heck, I heard that after I stopped watching they had an episode where him and Rick sat down and chatted… and neither of them tried to kill the other? Seriously?!

  • http://twitter.com/nachtritter Duke Fleed

    I love reading these reviews. A part of me just wants to scream “I told you so” at all the people who wouldn’t believe me when I said this show would completely fail on so many levels. It started well, but quickly soured. And now, like its zombies, TWD kind of stumbles around aimlessly in some sort of half-living, half-dead state.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000327677376 Suzanne Larsen

    exactly. Contrast with Lori’s death. Everyone wanted Lori gone, but man when it happened they still managed to make you feel bad about it. This was just, “Well at least she won’t be completely character assassinated anymore and they can start giving all her good traits and storylines to Carol. Meh.”

  • http://twitter.com/burntbythesea Amanda Allen Douglas

    My biggest upset was how ridiculous it was that Andrea was taking her sweet ass time with those pliers, i mean, she had to have checked to (stared at) see if Milton was still breathing like 6 times before she started panicking.
    Also, I hate it when stories don’t kill off the bad guy in one season and you have to wait til next season and see if the bad guy’s still there. it’s not very suspenseful.

  • http://twitter.com/spartantown spartantown

    I understand what you’re saying about expecting more but I thought how outgunned Rick and Co. were so it made sense that they wouldn’t be out in the open trading gunfire with the Woodbury army. The Andrea criticism of not being able to get free sooner are legitimate but overall I thought her time had come. I thought there was plenty of excitement.

  • Anonymous

    The general lack of common sense shown by damn near everybody this season — except for maybe Michonne, Carl and Glenn — made for some stupid TV watching. With the way they talked in the promos I was led to believe Rick and The Gov. were gonna have this amazing suspenseful moment like Andrea and The Gov. What a letdown. All of S3 was way too much talk, way too much politicking over territory and waaaaayyyy too much thumb-twiddling over The Governor. They passed over at least 5 or 6 opportunities to kill his ass (I AM STILL LIKE WTF THAT HE DIDN’T EVEN GET A FLESH WOUND AT THE PRISON) and for what? So he can disappear into the horizon with two confused henchmen? WHY?

    I resent the fact that the zombies this season were nothing more than props and background scenery. As much as I loved Michonne and Daryl’s very stylistic killings, I wanted more zombie carnage. I felt like they were barely present. Not at all the horrifying threat they were in S1+S2. It’s almost like the writers don’t know what to do anymore. I feel like Andrea’s death, T-Dog’s death and Milton’s death were all wasted. After torching those zombies, they made Milton super interesting and they just finished him off in a really lame way. Writers did NOTHING with Tyreese and his sister and to a degree, they did little with Michonne (then again, Glenn’s the only POC on this show who gets any good stories — I also saw some foreshadowing in his “we might not be here next week” speech and thought they were gonna pull the shocker of the year and kill him off. Guess I was wrong. Or they were just too weak to do it). In an attempt to build suspense, they just drag out every storyline to create “drama” and it makes me so angry >:(

    I was kinda disappointed by this finale. So few plot points made sense! Why bring all those people back to the prison? How are they gonna feed them? Protect them? What good will they be to the group if The Governor comes back to the prison on another crazy tear? How come Milton couldn’t crawl across the room and give Andrea a hand? How did no one get shot at all while running out of the prison? What was even the point in Merle’s sacrifice if NOBODY got to kill The Governor?? How is that a cliffhanger? I’m also still salty over T-Dog dying before he and Merle could have another showdown and how played out this Lori haunting Rick thing is. You’d think Shane would haunt him more than that one scene we got in Woodbury since they were BFFs. The episode where Michonne took out the Governor’s eye and Rick & Co. storming Woodbury was more of a finale than this. Smh.

  • http://twitter.com/ANerdyBatgirl Angie Boo

    Ugh. I had this long ass comment written out and it disappeared.

    I’m glad ShowCarl is becoming more like ComicCarl. I think he was angry because he wanted to be in on defending the prison but Rick wouldn’t let him stay.

  • Javier Jauregui

    “At this point I’m 99% sure I’m not going to be watching next season,” I look forward to your constant news updates of any little turd of information that AMC drops between now and September. As well as your first episode review. Saying you’re not going to watch the show seems to be an empty threat and ends up being you folding your arms because it didn’t blow you away. At this point anticlimacticness shouldn’t surprise anyone who is a fan of the comics like yourself. Especially being a nerd journalist, saying such things is just stupid.

  • Javier Jauregui

    I agree with you on so many of your points. I’m not sure what exactly people were expecting? We knew the prison wasn’t going to be left since AMC spent way too much on that set to have it be a one season piece. And the Governor been dragged on, while annoying, is to be expected.

    I was satisfied with it. Sure they killed off a comic person who last far longer, but let’s face it. Andrea was nothing like her comic counter part and anyone who still holds on tightly that the two need to mirror one another should just drop such notions.

  • http://monkeylologist.blogspot.com/ Jenny Cabotage

    My fiancé came up with a good analogy for the problems with this show. Imagine a cooking show where the chef says, “Today, we are going to make a turkey sandwich.” Then he takes the turkey that’s laid out on the countertop, and he puts it back in the fridge.

    The finale was like this chef saying, “Today we will finally complete our turkey sandwich!” And then he takes out bologna and slaps it on some bread and stands there smiling. And I suppose it’s all well and good if you like bologna but some of us were, oddly enough, expecting our damn turkey sandwich.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    That is the most amazingly perfect analogy ever.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Conversely, I won’t watch it because I don’t want to but I’ll report on news of the show because it’s my job. As a nerd journalist.

    Thanks for reading!

  • http://www.facebook.com/melissa.forstnerlee Melissa Forstner Lee

    Sick about the death of Andrea. I will not watch again! Good luck to all the fans still watching the show. Hope your favorites stay alive, except Daryl. I love his character but want to see him die before the series ends. Oh the online grief that day will be superb!

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Christina is so lucky to have a smart guy like you suggest reading to her — I bet she never even considered it!

    Also, I know you’re just trolling, but your math is laughable. How few shows exactly do you believe there ARE on TV? Pretty few, clearly, to think that your TWO whole examples effectively counter her 98% argument.

  • Anonymous

    I concur. Genius. My only adjustment is that we were expecting some ragingly delicious calorie bomb, and got sliced tofu instead. In short, we’re already hungry again and we just ate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.hunt.773981 Jason Hunt

    It seems the episode didn’t end how many had hoped/predicted and when it didn’t they threw their dummy out of the pram. Any time a show leaves me thinking “well I didn’t see that coming” has done it’s job. The last episode threw in a few curve balls which was fine by me. You can never please people who want to analyze every single action within a tv show.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I was being facetious or, if you like, semi-sarcastic, suggesting that Sesame Street would be a better use of an adult’s time than The Walking Dead, and I coupled it with a real example. What would you like? An actual list of examples? To counter a made up 98% figure? What’s better than a made up example? At the moment, I’m thinking staring at a powered off television would probably be a better TV-watching experience, so there’s that. But Also, Iseewhatyoudidthere: “smart guy”. Niiice.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Thank you, I WAS going to try and watch The Killing someday. Saves me the trouble.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Hah! I never knew that “Thanks for reading!” could mean so many things. You know, I sort of wish it was my job to keep watching too, out of morbid curiosity.

  • http://twitter.com/keewa Oliver Kealey

    Such a goddamn waste.
    Andrea? Dale? Merle? Milton?
    Why are the interesting characters getting picked off without any payoff at all? Merle’s sacrifice was heroic and then quickly forgotten. I get that they’re trying to drive home that it’s a dangerous place and people can die on a coin-flip but this is just getting silly.
    So the majority of the adult population of Woodbury are toast. What is the Governor going to do now? He’s supposed to be this demagogue who draws his power from the fact that people are frightened of him. Now he has… Martinez and that other guy, and that’s it? What’s he going to do with 2 men? The survivors would be able to take him out in a trice if he showed up again.
    No, I’m sure he’ll find some other fortified town a convenient 20 minute drive down the road and S4 will be Woodbury Mk2.

  • http://twitter.com/thegaf The Gaf

    Great finale. On to season 3!

  • Anonymous

    It feels like they’re using their wonton excess of killing off characters as an advertisement more than a storytelling medium.

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    Well, someone missed back when season 3 began and they said “We want /two/ seasons with the prison, Woodbury, and the Governor”, didn’t they?

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    Did they really spend a ton? The facility was already there and vacated, so they couldn’t have spent a whole ton of money on it….

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    I think the prison was much easier defended, even with the towers taken out. Woodbury was also a real town so it’s probably not as easy to regularly film in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    This just seems like when that dude said a week or two ago that people hated characters because they expect those characters to behave like them when in fact people rarely behave the way you expect them to in real life…

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    That’s the finale next season..

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    The tension that was promised to last for two seasons back in October? That tension?

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    ..the comics are way too much talk too..

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    Mazzara said two seasons with the Governor in October, so there goes that..

  • http://twitter.com/dreamsoffire K Kern

    I couldn’t stand it. One Andrea took FOREVER to get the pliers. Why in the world wouldn’t you move a bit faster INSTEAD of talking to the dying man. Also, he could have crawled over and handed her the pliers as was previously said. It was also boring to have to keep cutting back to her sitting in a damn chair….sigh.
    Then the three dudes with major weapons sit and watch a psycho kill off all of their friends and don’t even think to stop him. I mean really, what is the point. I would think gun enthusiasts would be raging about now. Just a completely annoying episode in all.

  • http://monkeylologist.blogspot.com/ Jenny Cabotage

    Well, I personally don’t find people’s behavior to be that random or unexpected in real life. Maybe I just don’t know interesting people? My main point is, the entire season was building up to a big confrontation between Woodbury and the Prison Gang. (The Theoretical Turkey Sandwich.) Every episode we waited breathlessly for it to happen but what kept happening was TODAY the Governor and Rick talk a long time. And TODAY the Governor chases Andrea. And TODAY is the big fight! …but, no one will die or even get hurt in the actual fight. They’ll all die when the Governor finally loses his ever lovin’ mind and kills them all, and then Carl pot shots that one kid.

    And hey, some people like surprise bologna sandwiches. Nothing wrong with that. If you’re happy I’m happy for you. But I still want my turkey.

  • http://profiles.google.com/rickbman Rick Bman

    If the problem is that Rick and Co would have been outgunned in an all out battle in the finale then they should have moved the season along a little faster and have been better prepared for the finale. This wasn’t a finale this was just more build up with nothing happening.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Me too! I mean this is a woman who in s2 was on her own in the woods hitting zombies in the head with her gun after she ran out of bullets. The same woman who just a couple episodes ago was killing multiple zombies in hand to hand while being pinned to a tree with just like a knife! But the writers seems to have handed her the stupidity ball. I mean, I GET that she is one of the more optimistic characters but her actions just really seem choosen by the writers to move the plot along. Like, oh we need some emotion in this finale? Let’s just kill off this character in a totally implausible way! I mean she got both her hands free (finally!) AND had a tool that could be used as a weapon on hand. How did Milton just take a chunk out of her shoulder? Do they want us to think she is hesitant to kill a ‘friend’? That was was just weak from torture we never saw happen? There just seem so many holes and wasted potential in Andrea this season. I’m super diasappointed in the handling of her character.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    maybe at least with more people at the prison they will finally start making it more home-y and actually some place they’d want to live. Like, in the comics isn’t Hershel starting gardens and they find books and stuff lying around to make it more livable? In the show I keep wondering why the hell are Team Rick fighting so hard to stay in this place?? It’s a piece of crap! There are zombies still inside for crying out loud! I mean, yes it has a fence so it is defensable but really besides that why haven’t the group improved the place where they live? Like other people have said, why NOT move in Woodbury?! Would they be worried the Governer knows the ins & outs too well and could sneak in? It’s not like Woodbury isn’t just as defensable.

  • Anonymous

    Thirded! Check out this gif set I found: http://rose-tyler-defender-of-the-earth.tumblr.com/post/46829673841/im-sorry-but-the-more-i-think-about-this-the-angrier After Andrea died, I was livid. I’m not watching the show anymore.

  • Anonymous

    I still am trying to swallow that bitter pill. What a sloppy, unheroic sendoff.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I think it’s hilarious that Daryl has become the fan favorite since I’m fairly certain most love for him stems from all of the other characters talking more and saying less.

  • JoeDizzle33

    I enjoyed the finale. Seeing the governor finally snap and now people see him for what he truely is. I can’t wait to see what happens next season. The only disappointment i have is no update on governor after he snaps. He drives off with his two soldiers and we don’t see him after that. Other than that i enjoyed the show and can’t wait for more.

  • Anonymous

    It took me five seasons to finally admit how much True Blood sucked (no pun intended) and decide to stop watching it, and TB is certainly so much worse than this one, so, am I going to keep watching it? Yes I am, especially because I’m curious to see how they will develop the storyline that should have been central to season three, how they will develop the actual story I’ve been looking forward to watching ever since I read the comics. But once they finally kill the Governor? If Tyreese is dead too, then I’ll be done with this show. I certainly don’t want to stick around to watch Negan being a creep.

    But the main reason I’ll keep watching is David Morrisey – so different from GN Governor, but such brilliant acting. I love him.

  • Kate

    I loved the finale. I love the series. A big gun battle would have killed off the Grimes gang, they just didn’t have the numbers of people or ammo. So how is booby trapping the prison a bad thing? Makes sense the Govenor took off, he is going to be rebuilding for next season. Sorry to see Andrea and Milton go, but really did not expect a happy ending once the Gov had her. Bring on next season! I can’t wait.

  • Kate

    Well, Adam, you are welcome to do all those things. I will be watching TWD because I love it. Also, I read on average 3 – 4 books per week. However, I do like some fun tv in the mix.

  • Kate

    Taking yourself and your abililties as a critic a little too seriously, I think, Adam.

  • Kate

    The zombies are the least interesting thing about the show to me. They could be anything (aliens, dinosaurs, whatever). The part that has me hooked are the people – and I don’t expect them to always act logically. They are people whose world has turned upside down and is now incomprehensible.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Really, Kate? So, it’s good television when a minority character is killed before a new minority character is introduced, when a woman that is portrayed as capable in her earliest incarnation is reduced to weeping, degrading herself, being defeated by one scary man, having her entire arc deflated so that she can be killed (by a terrible, wishy-washy, badly written hench-character) immediately before a new female character is brought forward into the limelight, when deaths of supporting characters are telegraphed thirty minutes in advance when they’re given a super quick characterization or backstory or some likeability factor immediately before they’re dispatched to trick you into giving a shit? This show is shlock masquerading as drama. I haven’t ever yet said that I’m a critic, by the way, as entitled to his opinion as you are to yours, Kate. Kate. Kate.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Great, Kate. I’m very happy for you. And very impressed by your ability to read 3 – 4 books a week.

  • Jesse

    Here’s my very opinionated opinion: The Walking Dead is terrible and people will never see it. Why? Because terrible, today, means extreme mediocrity, not bold in your face horribleness like the GI Joe movie or something. TWD had a pretty solid good start, but like with most TV shows, the writers are just plain not good enough to keep it up. People ignore the bad writing because the sets, the cinematography, music, action, etc. are all so enrapturing but the writing is just putrid.

    How did the governor even catch Andrea? She had a huge head start and he fought off like 15 zombies with a shovel, there’s no way he’d overpower her and she’s fucking badass, she would have just oh i dunno FOUGHT HIM OFF? How did Milton bite her? She got out of the cuffs and had been sitting in the chair, NOT getting beaten, for like a day she wouldn’t be that weak. WTF was that stupid marriage proposal and asking for a blessing and taking a diamond off of a zombie? This isn’t the 1950s. Why the hell does Merle take Michonne then let her go? Why didn’t he just leave in the first place to attack them? Why did Michonne EVER turn her back on Merle? She’s uber-paranoid and hates him the most so WTF? There’s a lotta sexist stuff happening in the show where they’re just taking strong female characters and getting them killed/captured/tricked for absolutely no believable reason. Nothing in the show makes any sense, the characters do stupid crap all the time just to twist and further the plot however the writers see fit. It’s a massive disappointment. The writers have no idea how to write believable characters, they kill people off and capture them in totally unbelievable ways just to further the plot, it’s total garbage. They just cut to other scenes and never even explained what the fuck happened in other scenes. Season 3 was really just a massive sink into mediocrity.

    In short: The Walking Dead is Lost. Great potential: HORRIBLE writing, character development and plot.

    Play the telltale TWD video game, because it’s about 100x better, better writing, better characters, more depression and emotionally draining, etc. TWD the show is really bad. The whole new half of season 3 i’ve been bored the entire time and/or confused.

  • Anonymous

    It’s been a year since everything’s gone to shit though. I understand making stupid choices in the beginning, cause the shock and confusion is there. But Rick’s group has had some time to literally sit down and mull over their options this season. They didn’t do a good job in the decision making department starting with turning away Tyreese and his group. Also — yeah, maybe the man vs monster aspect doesn’t excite everyone. But the circumstances surrounding a zombie infestation is different from an alien invasion to me and it wouldn’t hurt to get into that more often in the show. Remove the zombies and it’s just a bunch of people running around in the woods.

  • Isen

    I too didn’t get why they move everyone from woodbury to the prison – the whole season I thougt: If they beat the governor, they can build up Woodbury themselves (yes, I was excited by this – Sim City Fan, thats why).

    Best scene: Carol and Daryl holding hands.

  • Anonymous

    As soon as a character starts talking about the right thing or doing the right thing they die. It’s like you’re not allowed to live if you have morals.

  • Anonymous

    You touched on something I didn’t even think about! Andrea *did* have a huge head start and the Gov. left his truck behind at the warehouse, right? So how did he find her so fast and drag her all the way back? I know a lot of people found Andrea to be annoying and a lot of folks on Twitter were applauding her death, but it frustrated me. Andrea was our last strong woman from the original group. Yeah, we have Maggie and she’s a badass but she was really sexualized this season and her character deserved better. Pinning all my hopes on Michonne now to be the badass boss lady. If they kill her off, I’m officially done.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Then IMO this was just bad writing this season. The pacing is horrible. They build up and build up and tease the big epic life changing show down between Woodbury/the Prison and it’s Rick vs the Governer (ignore 3/4s of your side characters) and then just…pffft. No resolution! 2 main characters dead. For what? What did their deaths do story wise?
    Why even have this little fake out finale fight then? What was the point? To give Team Prison the hope they won/that things will finally get better?

  • Elisabeth Day

    Am I the only one who wasn’t really disappointed that Andrea and Michonne didn’t kiss at the end? I mean, I knew AMC wouldn’t have the guts for it, but still the Andrea/Michonne subtext was barely sub-.

    Like a few episodes ago where Michonne accuses Andrea of choosing Woodbury over “a friend”? Right, Michonne, “friend.” Why don’t you just call her your roommate?

  • Jesse

    i’m not hip to the whole TWD crowd i guess, but why did people find Andrea annoying? I always thought she was awesome. What they did to her character was annoying, but that’s not “her” fault if that makes sense. Destroying her character was part of the whole season 3 disaster. It was unbelievable from the start that she’d fall under the governor’s spell, she basically came to town and was like “ok i’m gonna be a passive woman now even though i haven’t been at all the entire show” and then start sleeping with this creep show EVEN AFTER she sees all the severed heads and the lying and him trying to kill her best friend and all this crap? her and michonne saw all the same stuff, them drawing different conclusions makes no sense given that they are both strong and independent characters.

  • Anonymous

    Jesse, I echo ALL of that. Well said.

  • Anonymous

    Oh my goodness, no, you’re missing the big picture; PLEASE kill off all the main characters. Let’s go focus on some other group srsly. Done with this terrible Patriarchy Grimes Jail and the terrible writing of this show.

  • Anonymous

    “Meh…brraaaaaainnnss-”
    No, TWD, no…you don’t have any :(

  • Anonymous

    The Killing was great, but there were just so many twists and turns (Nope, not the True Killer, whoops!) it was like…oy, I’m done. Get me off this emotional roller coaster already. So yeah overal, meh.

  • Anonymous

    THIS. Yes.

  • Anonymous

    While I’m on board with you, yes, people are allowed to keep watching this show (obviously). Keeping in mind these problematic themes would be best. I agree with you that TWD is crap, but not at the expense of silencing others.

  • Anonymous

    I am confused why I keep hearing how fans “wanted so-and-so female character gone”. Of course I’m not very surprised (because misogyny), but still. I don’t want any character gone, except maybe Grimes. And by “gone”, I mean the group just left him. “Grimes, we voted and decided you are a super terrible person. So take your domineering, martyristic, last-death-throes of a Patriarch leadership skillz and shove it up your ass.” Yay! That would’ve been awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wedge56 Wedge Harris

    Woodbury might be prettier, but the prison is still overall a better defensive position. If they stock the panty they can just about wait out another zombie herd like what made them leave the farm. A wave like that hits Woodbury and it seems like it’s all over.

  • Anonymous

    The folks I follow were originally put off by her “alignment” with Shane in Season 2 and saw her screwing the Gov. as betraying Rick & Co. Like you, I’ve always thought Andrea was awesome and we saw some flickers of her former glory this season. It just wasn’t enough to sway everyone apparently.

  • Jesse

    yeah i mean…I guess for me it’s a weird situation. I consider the bad decisions of her character that those people didn’t like as bad writing choices, not as part of her ‘real’ character haha. Of course, they are WRITING her character so i guess that is her real character? meh, whatever. It just wasn’t believable that she’d be so easily duped by the governor over and over and over given her previous character decisions so i choose to think of her real self as being misdirected by poor writing :)

  • http://twitter.com/nachtritter Duke Fleed

    I seem to remember reading Kirkman talking about how Andrea being killed off and the Governor living until next season to be Mazzara’s idea, actually.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000327677376 Suzanne Larsen

    I cant speak for anyone else, but I personally wanted Lori gone because she was so annoying. “Carl! Get in the house! Meanwhile I’m going to be stupid and rush off into danger!”
    As for Andrea, I didn’t want her gone at all. I wanted her to become the awesome badass she is in the comics. But alas, earwax.

  • http://www.facebook.com/The.Furry1 Chad Furlong

    I loved season one of TWD. I wanted to love season 2 but it was slow, so I only liked it. I wanted even more for season 3 to restore TWD to it’s potential, but I was left disappointed and angry. I love tons of shows that I consider a thousand times better than the walking dead at this point. Dexter, Spartacus, Homeland, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Downton Abbey, and more. But when writing sucks, it sucks. You don’t see me defending season 5 of dexter, because it was terrible. Instead let us all remember the fantastic previous season and one of the most unexpected and amazing season finales I’ve ever seen. Same goes for Walking Dead. I’ll remember the good times and keep my eye out for their return, but I refuse to acknowledge this season as any more than garbage just because it shares the name of a show I once found entertaining.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I wasn’t silencing. She’s entitled to her opinion. I just bristled a bit at the condemnation fueled by…well, she didn’t say. To be honest, if the show was airing a new episode this weekend, I’d watch it. I’m a glutton for punishment, far too hopeful that things can always improve, and always willing to distract myself from the tedium of housework with a bit of zombie background noise.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Dexter is a wonderful example…there’s so much good in that show and so much awful…I was thrilled when Julia Stiles showed up but the season just kind of wandered…the apocalyptic killer (I forget his name) was interesting for about ten seconds, but it lead to a brilliant season finale…it’s a show I’ll finish, though. I want to know where it’s going.

  • Isen

    I didn’t mind the finale too, but on one hand I didn’t expect this much, on the other hand I don’t know the comics – maybe that makes a difference.

    But with Carl – I don’t know. You interpret very much, and I’m not sure if it fits. Why should his “We don’t sell out our own people”-feelings get him to shoot a boy that was surrendering? Yes, I’m all in with the security argument. This boy handed his weapon over very slow – but all that doesn’t paint over a Carl, that loses his humanity and empathy for others.

  • Anonymous

    Only poignent moment of this finale was when Carl shot that one guy. It was played great, wonderful tension and performances and it began to show the very dark side of Carl. And it lasted for about 30 seconds. This show is a mystery to me, a bit like Twilight (sorry to compare but) it is fascinating to see a show that is very poorly written, and yet have such a rapid fan-base and ratings.

  • Indigo

    Sorry, I must not have been clear.

    “We don’t sell out our own people” is why he was mad at Rick for being willing to sell out Michonne.

    Him being willing to shoot the surrendering Jody was him erring on the side of caution because every time someone should’ve been killed who wasn’t, they lose some of theirs, and Carl was not feeling the “we lose more of ours”

  • Anonymous

    True story. I do remember those times Lori did things that seemed, um, well…silly. I blame that on the writing; it’s terrible when you’re doing something obviously to further the plot. “Omgz, Lori got in a ‘car accident’ and now there are ZOMBIES!!” “Why did she leave in the first place?” “BE QUIET!!…”

  • Anonymous

    Hmm..okay, silencing might be wrong. I admit I’m having a hard time pinpointing what I find, I guess the best word is, “icky” about this conversation.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    It’s because you think I have cooties, isn’t it? Circle Circle Dot Dot.

  • Anonymous

    Wait, I thought girls were suppose to have cooties?! O.o *World view=shattered!!11*

  • nathan B

    So people are disappointed that the show did something unexpected? Fucking seriously? One of the few TV shows that you genuinely don’t know what to expect, but people still want it to play out in the common, dull ways they expected.

    Did anyone guess that the Governor would do what he did? That it would go down that way? Nope.

    And that’s a BAD THING? No wonder TV producers don’t trust American audiences.

  • nathan B

    Except it’s not the Chef telling you he’s going to make a Turkey Sandwich. It’s just something you assumed from watching the show and perhaps seeing some turkey and bread.

  • nathan B

    If you want a goddamn Turkey Sandwhich watch any of the countless other terrible cliched shows on television. You just don’t want your expectations challenged. Too bloody bad.

    What the hell were you expecting really? Some pitched battle? An action movie? It would have completely destroyed any sense of realism in the show.

  • nathan B

    Ridiculously slow? In what, ten episodes at the most?

  • http://monkeylologist.blogspot.com/ Jenny Cabotage

    Well, no. I don’t want my expectations challenged, at least not mid-story, at least not as late as the finale of a show. That’s not my personal preference in my books/comics/movies/shows. If I feel that I’m being lead down a certain path I more or less like to stay down that path. If a story is supposed to have a twist ending that’s cool if it makes sense with hints and clues that have been dropped along the entire path. As for what I was expecting, I was expecting things the show has actually delivered before. I thought Merle’s last stand was badass and loved it, so I don’t know that my expectations were that unreasonable. But hey, this is all just my opinion, and if you don’t feel the same, that’s cool. I’ll vote with my viewership and watch something else, and you can do the same and keep watching the show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.schmitt#!/ David R. Schmitt

    Thank Goodness for Game of Thrones premiering Sunday and another glorious ep of Vikings because TWD shuffled off to the woods to die in this finale. Really very bland and generally awful, most disappointing finale I think I’ll see this year. I hope the eps get cut back to ten again because they can’t seem to handle more then that before going off the rails.

  • http://twitter.com/thegaf The Gaf

    Season 4, even!

  • nathan B

    And good shows will continue to be cancelled and replaced with things that don’t “challenge expectations”.
    As I’m someone from the UK, my personal viewership unfortunately won’t affect a US show. Hence the figurative thorn in my paw.

    My own preference is to have at least one show on television that isn’t chained to chekov’s gun and Hollywood dictum.

  • http://twitter.com/cakecalamity Hannah Cupcake

    It’s been terrible, but I’m still going to tune in next season. I officially volunteer to begrudgingly recap new episodes, disappointment by mind-numbing disappointment.

  • Wayne Anthony Feeney

    Some remarkably valid points there.