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Summit Entertainment Execs Suddenly Worried About the Orson Scott Card Part of Making an Orson Scott Card Adaptation


Orson Scott Card and his work (both in fiction and as a board member of the anti-gay National Organization for Marriage) have been at the center of a brewing controversy in the comics industry, ever since DC’s recent announcement that he’d be one of the writers on a digital-first Superman anthology. And unlike most comics controversies, this one is actually reaching the occasional mainstream news outlet, a fact which has not gone unnoticed by executives at the company in charge of a big-budget adaptation of Card’s Ender’s Game, Summit Entertainment, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

For any other long-awaited faithful movie adaptation of a decades old beloved novel that includes the author as a producer, including said author in big publicity events would be a no brainer, but it seems that Summit is seriously considering otherwise. From THR:

“I don’t think you take him to any fanboy event,” says one studio executive. “This will definitely take away from their creative and their property.”  Another executive sums up the general consensus: “Keep him out of the limelight as much as possible.”

Creators of science-fiction with conservative views are nothing new to fandom, but Card’s status as a board member of the National Organization for Marriage, one of the largest and most well funded anti-gay activist groups in America, which works to prevent not only marriage equality but also civil union legislation and to legally prevent LGBTQ couples from adopting, is for many, including this writer, a different beast than mere personally held conservative views that might enter the subtext of a story or be voiced, when asked, by a writer or artist. Card has publicly expressed his views on gay marriage as worth overthrowing the government for, linked homosexuality with pedophilia, argued that marriage equality will lead to a world where parents who encourage their kids to date members of the opposite sex will be accused of hate speech, and has stated that he would prefer laws that criminalize consensual homosexual sex to stand and be enforced as a “message.” His presence on the board of NOM gives him more power to actually effect his opinions on others than your average celebrity with socially conservative political leanings.

Card’s political views often come as a shock to his readers because his most well known books espouse a philosophy that many find completely at odds with his personal views. Ender’s Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocide are books where humanity’s greatest failure was in not sensing the humanity of those who were different, where respecting the existence and culture of sentient creatures while at the same time constantly reevaluating non-sentient creatures to make sure humanity isn’t recreating the failure of Ender’s Game is a central theme, and where unquestioning fundamentalism is the downfall of an entire planet. Whatever the effect of Card’s personal politics and political work has on the Ender’s Game movie, my fervent hope is that it at least teaches a few more people to be tolerant and openminded than NOM teaches to be intolerant and closeminded.

(via The Hollywood Reporter.)

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  • http://twitter.com/jewelmcjem jewelmcjem

    Shouldn’t that be NOM, not NOW in the final sentence?

  • Anonymous

    It’s a darn shame because there are some great, diverse actors like Viola Davis and Nonso Anozie (Xaro from Game of Thrones) involved. If only the source material weren’t written by a frothing-at-the-mouth bigot.

  • R.O.U.S.

    It’s too bad his private views are so abhorrent, as his works are indeed a great gift to scifi and fantasy literature. Disappoints me.

  • http://twitter.com/Yuricon Erica Friedman

    A well-reasoned discussion of why his personal feelings are in fact, a problem for DC, as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anna-Sophia-May/100000092990769 Anna Sophia May

    Card teaches at my brother’s university, and is apparently a really nice guy, outside of politics. I can’t stand his politics, though. It makes me very sad.

  • http://twitter.com/electrcspacegrl electricspacegirl

    Yeah, Card is not on the board of the National Organization for Women.

  • http://www.facebook.com/susiemike Susan Edwards Love

    NOM, not NOW. I’m pretty sure the National Organization for Women wouldn’t want to be associated with that either.

  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    Maybe I need to re-read Ender’s Game… because when I read it a few years back, long before I knew about OSC’s politics, I disliked the story. It felt like a weird fascist (vaguely homoerotic) fantasy to me. When I read about his political beliefs, it seemed to make sense “Well, yeah, it is a weird fascist fantasy; that fits with the fascist that wrote it.”

    But it’s such a beloved book. What am I missing?

  • Anonymous

    Whoops, thanks for the notification. Typo has been fixed.

  • Carmen Sandiego

    I’m sure he acts like a nice guy as long as he thinks you’re straight.

  • http://twitter.com/LJo83 Lindsay Beaton

    I was outright angry with Ender’s Game when I finished reading it a couple of years ago, because I’d expected to really like it (it’s iconic, I’m big into sci fi, etc.)–and then was forced to conclude that it was one of the worst books I’d ever read. To this day I’m baffled at what everyone sees in it, so you’re not alone in wondering what you’re missing! I’ve even had people try to get into arguments with me over it, and I can only shrug at them in bewilderment.

  • http://twitter.com/thegaf The Gaf

    F ck him, f ck this book, f ck this movie. That is all.

  • http://anziulewicz.livejournal.com PolishBear

    The first time I ever heard of Orson Scott Card was by way of a short story, “A Thousand Deaths,” which was published in the now-defunct Omni magazine. More recently I read and enjoyed the first four of his “Ender Wiggin” novels, and I slogged through all five books in his “Homecoming” sci-fi saga (though becoming somewhat puzzled by the Mormon imagery in the last book).

    It was only LATER that I found out what a strident homophobe Orson Scott Card was. And trust me, I did my research into some of the horribly vitriolic things he has written about Gay people. And now I feel sorry that I spent so much time and money on his books. It’s like finding out that an artist whose work you admire is secretly a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

    And this isn’t just about Mr. Card expressing his opinion. It’s one thing to say you support “traditional marriage.” After all, who DOESN’T? I have lots of Straight (i.e. heterosexual) friends, some married and some single, and if any of the singles finds a compatible person of the opposite sex to marry and make a solemn commitment to, no one will be happier than me.

    But it is quite another thing to sit on the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage, a group that works specifically to deny law-abiding, taxpaying Gay couples the same legal benefits and protections that Straight couples have always taken for granted.

    So NO, I’m not going to throw any more time and money at him. And like millions of other LGBT sci-fi fans and our supporters, I won’t be seeing the big-screen adaptation of “Ender’s Game.”

  • Carmen Sandiego

    To each their own. I read it when I was eleven and it struck a chord with me, but I liked the sequels better. It’s not ranked very high overall on my favorite sci-fi novels, but at the time it was very important to me. It was a huge shock when I found out about the author’s anti-gay activism, mostly for the reasons mentioned in the article above. The Ender series emphatically encouraged the love and appreciation of those different than yourself, compassion for all, and the dangers of “othering” people. It was problematic in other ways, of course, which I appreciated when I was older and reread, but it’s so weird that the main thrust of his most popular and beloved series is completely contrary to his fight against equal rights for others.

  • Caustic

    I remember reading Ender’s Game as a kid and getting wigged out by the fight in the showers between teenage boys.. Very descriptive. Also, Anyone else notice that Card likes to use the word “Groin?”

    But seriously, that shower thing? It was like the volleyball scene from Top Gun.

    But with teenage boys.

  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    Maybe I missed the whole “compassion for all” aspect of it. I didn’t see that at all. I was weirded out by the whole notion that there are some people who are just much more special than the rest of humanity, and that they should go to a special school for the best and the brightest, because only they are the hope for humanity – that struck me as very Ayn Rand-esque/Hitler Youth like. And the notion that 11 year olds would be trained in the brutal hard core fashion that these kids were, because only they could save the world… I can see where that would appeal to an 11-year-old without much agency of their own as they’re just starting to rebel against their parents, but from an adult perspective, it’s alarming that we would militarize kids that way.

  • http://twitter.com/FroWillis Sarah

    I read Ender’s Game in the 8th grade for a book report. My English teacher gave us a list of books and we had to pick one that we hadn’t read. I went up to him and explained I had already read most of them and had no idea which one to pick. He basically ordered me to read Ender’s Game. I read it twice because I liked it so much. I still love it and was totally looking forward to the movie.

    Goddammit Orsonn Scott Card. Why did you have to ruin one of my favorite books?

  • Anonymous

    The “compassion for all” is really more emphasized in the sequels. I enjoyed Ender’s Game, more so when I first read it as a young teenager. But the first sequel, Speaker For The Dead, was the book I really loved.

  • Anonymous

    Sigh. The least delicious NOM.

  • Andrea

    That’s probably the best sentence summary of why Ender’s Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocide (although more the latter two) are some of my favorite books. I’m gonna save that.

    As a gay person, it’s so conflicting to love those books. They fundamentally shaped the way I think about compassion and sentience, as well as basically everything I loved about BSG.

    I do think you can catch a little hint of Card’s problematic views if you read his forewords to Speaker. He places a lot of emphasis on family units and community.

  • Carmen Sandiego

    The way the book was written, it made a point to show how horrific it was to do that, specifically to children and how creepy the organization was, and how flawed, and how very, very wrong, as was mentioned in the article. I didn’t think that was subtly written into the text, it was blatant, which is why it’s so weird (troubling, shocking) that Card has such a fundamentalist attitude about what other people should be able to do with their bodies and their commitments.

  • Carmen Sandiego

    Yep, Speaker for the Dead is probably the standout of the series and the one that I think speaks out most contrarily against Card’s personal philosophies and activism.

  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    Yeah, I think I’m suffering from not having read it for several years, and trying to think back to my initial reactions to it. Maybe if I re-read it, I’d see what other people are seeing. I sort of read it without reading other people’s reviews and reactions at the time.

    I think my concern was based on the idea that even though the book was showing the school as not being a good thing for the children, it was still that the author constructed that little world, and to some extent with Ender, actually proved that he was indeed special and humanity’s savior or some such.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anna-Sophia-May/100000092990769 Anna Sophia May

    Probably. Or unless you bring up the Lord of the Rings movies (according to my brother) because he hates them with a passion. Not sure which he hates more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anna-Sophia-May/100000092990769 Anna Sophia May

    Probably. Or unless you bring up the Lord of the Rings movies (according to my brother) because he hates them with a passion. Not sure which he hates more.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve generally found that most Mormons are nice, at least to your face. That’s the scary thing about them.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve generally found that most Mormons are nice, at least to your face. That’s the scary thing about them.

  • http://twitter.com/Rmjonesc13 Rebekah M. Jones

    I don’t know- I have read quite a few takedowns of the book that dissect it’s fascist elements (apparently there are parallels between Hitler’s life and Ender’s), and knowing Card’s politics have put me off reading the books ever. Which is no loss, because I still have a whole shelf of classics I need to read, plus a ton of my favorite modern writers.

    Like, here’s just one of the links I stumbled on recently that one of the people I follow posted- http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/5/28/22428/7034

    So even if the essay taking apart Card’s work isn’t very good (I have heard mixed reviews on it, but I can never really trust fans. No offense- I advice people to not trust my own opinion on things when I am a big nerdy mess over it.), there are some very interesting points and allegations in this and the other article linked.

  • http://twitter.com/JessiSee25 Jessica Seeser

    Having recently reread the entire Enderverse series (with the ones I don’t own borrowed from the library, so I don’t put any more moolah in OSC’s pocket), I’m becoming more and more convinced of the conspiracy theory that Ender’s Game and Speaker For the Dead were ghost-written. Their quality is just worlds above and beyond what OSC has come out with in the last 15 years… stylistically and otherwise. I’ve literally had to force myself to slog through his most recent ones. Add on to that in his Author’s Note is Ender In Exile, he says that he wants to rewrite EG and SftD because his writing is soooo much better now (no, just… no), AND he actually admitted that he couldn’t be bothered to go back and read his own books to make sure he didn’t put any inconsistencies in his new books in the series…. he asked his fans to fact-check for him while he was writing because he was too frikkin lazy/greedy to milk the Ender cash cow ASAP. He’s revised new editions of Ender’s Game to reflect changes he made (for example, he didn’t remember that he named the first Earth colony Ro, so when he named it Shakespeare later, he had to change his source material to match. UGH). I’m pretty convinced at this point that someone helped him write the first two- because they were fantastic (if a bit… er… teenage-boy-homoerotic… How many times did he need to mention the word “groin” and describe naked children anyway?).

    I also want to gripe that the changes he made to the story for the movie adaptation, with the exception of Viola Davis as Major Anderson (AWESOME), are absolutely TERRIBLE and completely ruin the feel and point of the story. He doesn’t even respect his source material. So I see no reason to respect him and his bigoted views.

  • Wayne Anthony Feeney

    I read Ender’s Game a few months back and quite enjoyed it (although the ending was very anti-climactic). After hearing so much about his homophobic beliefs since then, I certainly won’t be spending any further money on any of his works. I likely won’t go to see this movie either. I understand that it’s likely none of the profits of the money will go to him or whatever, but I just don’t feel I can now support anything that has anything to do with him.

  • AliceVenturi

    The Orson Scott Card that sits on the BOD of NOM isn’t the same guy that led a science-fiction convention crowd in a Secular Humanist Revival. I don’t know what happened to him to change him in such a dramatic way (though, as a recovering Mormon, I have my ideas), but it wasn’t a change for the better. I mourn the loss of an intelligent, reasonable, happy man, and regret the small, cramp-souled, religious zealot that took his place.

  • Becky

    I would like to believe that I’m allowed to love “Ender’s Game” and “Speaker for the Dead” (never got through the others, sorry Bean) as books separately from the opinion of the man who wrote them. If I were incapable of liking anything artistically simply because of it’s source, I’d have to strike almost everything from my book. A lot of music, literature and art has been produced by people who individually, I would never respect as humans, but the individual works are not the sum total of their opinions. I was shocked to learn of his views (which I agree are in total contrast to the message so heavely relayed in “Speaker for the Dead”) but I’d like to continue loving the story, not the man. I will, however, be looking closely for hidden messages the next time I reread my copy.

  • ampersands

    Well, he’s not the savior of humanity by any stretch of the imagination. The alien culture he destroys had attacked humans before realizing they were sentient, and once they realized it, they never attacked again. The human culture that led to the creation of the school, the monitoring of children’s minds and selection of a few to be brainwashed into genocide, and the removal of Ender’s agency in the Battle School and in the decision to obliterate the buggers are all ultimately revealed to be as negative as possible. Ender abandons Earth and goes to live on the colonies because he’s so fucked up.

    I understand that people want to hate the book because OSC is an unrepentant asshole and homophobe. But Ender’s Game is not fascist, except by biased readings, and ultimately it’s a quality piece of science fiction by an author who, at least in my opinion, has drastically changed from the time when he wrote it.

  • Anonymous

    Oh definitely, I still love these two books! And I’m not going to stop enjoying them because the author now reveals reprehensible views. I’ll probably watch the movie, too.

  • Anonymous

    It’s been quite a while since I read it, but is Ender even a teenager at that point, and not more, like… 9? If even that?

  • Nick Gaston

    I’ve heard the same thing about Pol Pot, oddly enough—and a few other “infamous greats” as well.

    I think some—maybe many—people are just like that: nice enough under normal conditions, but give them a taste of royal jelly or a power vacuum to expand into, and the vicious underpinnings of a frustrated Id explodes, rampant.

  • http://www.delishiono.com/ Michelle Mista

    Most people have the good grace to be nice to your face, not just Mormons. It’s what people say behind backs and closed doors that really reveal their character.

    As sick and as angry as OSC’s views on gays makes me, the one laudable thing about him is that he at least stands up for what he believes in. (That being said, I’d love nothing more than to see him and NOM’s mission fall flat on its face.)

  • http://www.delishiono.com/ Michelle Mista

    I’m kind of surprised that it took Hollywood execs until now to realize how polarizing OSC is. His books are classics but as a person… *ugh* Part of me wants to be surprised that DC only now realizes that OSC is practically radioactive but the cynic in me wonders if that’s just more indication of how out of touch DC is with comics fandom these days.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, but that concept seems lost on most people. They define character as “this person makes me feel good during a brief social interaction with them.” It’s bizarre. Psychopaths are notable for being very charming. I don’t think it’s particularly laudable to stand up for what you believe in, if it’s not grounded in any kind of rational logic or compassion. I have no respect for the creationists in congress who insist that the world is 7000 years old, in the face of all evidence and logic.

  • Anonymous

    Again, I noted above, but “niceness” doesn’t actually mean anything. Many psychopaths are incredibly charming people. Anyone can learn to act “nice.” People so incredibly easy to manipulate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anna-Sophia-May/100000092990769 Anna Sophia May

    I’m Mormon. I know lots of super nice Mormons, and lots of Mormons who are terrible people. but the nasty ones had that ability to appear so charming and sweet that everyone loved them so *I* was the bad guy and then my whole school decided to hate me for two years.

    I had a not so happy childhood.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    You could always sort of imagine that it was written by a different person. Like early and late Michael Jackson. Card wasn’t crazy and homophobic back when he wrote Ender’s Game, from what I understand.

  • Anonymous

    And the Oscar for “most deadpan understatement” goes to…

  • Vian Lawson

    Amount of money OSC or anyone hiring him gets from me: $0.

    Rounded down.

    I don’t care if he’s the equivalent of Da Vinci. There’s a lot of good literature, films, video games and other pop culture made by people who aren’t homophobic jackasses, and they are the ones who get my spare cash.

  • Anonymous

    I tried reading Ender’s Game as an adult and I could not finish it. Here’s why:

    They grinned. Then Ender said, “Better invite Bernard.”

    Alai cocked an eyebrow. “Oh?”

    “And Shen.”

    “That little slanty-eyed butt-wiggler?”

    Ender decided that Alai was joking. “Hey, we can’t all be n******.”

    Alai grinned. “My grandpa would’ve killed you for that.”

    “My great great grandpa would have sold him first,”

    “Let’s go get Bernard and Shen and freeze these bugger-lovers.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diana-OmegaSama-Davidsson/100000695823547 Diana OmegaSama Davidsson

    When I first started to read Enders Game (in Swedish mind) I was about 11-12 and I couldn’t get through the first book. It was terrible. When I then a few years later read it in English I only read the first book and it was still terrible. I never liked the story and now I have an even better reason to not like the story. I won’t pay to see this movie, hell I wouldn’t even download it illegally. This shit has no place on my computer.
    I am just glad my country have Same-sex marriage, had for years now. I hope that one day all of America will have this fundamental human right as well.

  • http://shiftercat.livejournal.com/ ShifterCat

    The crucial difference, I’d say, is that a lot of the creators whose personal lives and views were abhorrent are no longer alive, and therefore no longer able to take the money fans spend on them and use it to harm other people.

  • http://shiftercat.livejournal.com/ ShifterCat

    Quoting Gavin de Becker: “Niceness is not a character trait; it’s a social strategy.”

  • http://shiftercat.livejournal.com/ ShifterCat

    Quite a while ago, the topic of Orson Scott Card came in the comments section of one of the blogs I frequent. Someone posted a quote from him saying something to the effect of “Well, of course two men understand what gets each other off, but if they want to start families they have to make sacrifices.” As in, homosexual sex is for pleasure and heterosexual sex is a duty, and you have to put duty before pleasure.

    Someone else mentioned that in one of the Homecoming books, a gay man marries a woman precisely because he wants to be a father.

    If both of these are true, OSC’s homophobia may stem from his being so far in the closet he can see Narnia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.orillion Andrew Orillion

    Why are the good ones always the craziest?

    On a side note, an Indian actor friend of mine filmed a small role as an instructor at the academy for the movie. I hope it makes it into the final cut.

  • James
  • http://www.facebook.com/rodimusben Ben Lundy

    I’m not sure which is worse– Card’s homophobia and his militant efforts to suppress civil rights, or the faux-outrage of an Internet mob who thinks they are virtuous for refusing to separate a work of fiction from the actions of its author.

    OK, strike that. Card’s homophobia is worse. But I’m also saddened by the groupthink going on in left-leaning geek circles these days.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I agree with Ampersands, that the series ultimately sheds a negative light on fascism…and Ender’s journey beyond the first book is a positive one in favor of acceptance and nice things.

    The Bean books, on the other hand…

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    THAT. IS. A. Really swell argument.

    Jesus. Usually, the argument is, “I don’t agree with his personal beliefs, so I’m not going to read his books,” and I can’t get behind that because the art and the man are two separate things…but, augh, you make a really fierce argument against paying him any attention.

    Thank you very much. Honestly, I shall adjust my planned viewing of the flick accordingly…and will wait for the flea market bootleggers.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    There’s also unisex living quarters and children generally sleeping in the buff, which I always thought was a bit shaky.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Haha! How is this not ranked higher?

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Is that Klingon?

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Hahaha! 2nd funniest post on here…if only for the possibilities floating through my mind.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    While it reminds me a bit of the Avenue Q song, “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist,” seeing it again after knowing about Orson’s personal beliefs…yeesh.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Granted, but when people stand up for the wrong reasons, I sort of wish they were on a candid camera show called “Die In A Plane Crash”.

    There’s something similar that I’ve also…I uneasily choose the word “admired” in lieu of taking the time to think of a better one…about Orson. I remember reading in an interview that he considered himself a “Real Mormon” and that’s why he stood by such reprehensible beliefs…because if you consider yourself to be a member of a religious group then you should adhere to the doctrine and belief system that the group promotes. If you only go half in, then you’re just faking it. You just agree..or disagree…but are not a true practitioner of the cult.

    I mean faith.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    They may have been ghost-written, but writing quality doesn’t always change for the better over time. I can’t stand most of Stephen King’s post-rehabilitation work.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    ShifterCat wrote above: “The crucial difference, I’d say, is that a lot of the creators whose personal lives and views were abhorrent are no longer alive, and therefore no longer able to take their fans’ money and use it for harm.”

    and I’d say that’s a great argument for you shouldn’t separate a living author from his work.

    And since you bring it up, I’d like to ask (although I’m sure it has been asked before) how the hell can you consider yourself a participant of geek culture without being left leaning? Outside of Trekkies, no other fandom has a positive or non-satirical representation of conservative or fascist governments.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I have my fingers crossed that they put Han Solo in a fat suit. …he’s playing the guy that gains a considerable amount of weight, isn’t he? Or is that in Ender’s Shadow?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodimusben Ben Lundy

    I’d say it’s NOT a great argument. Artistic works should be judged on their own merits. Put it this way. Say you like a video game or a movie, all of which are made by the collaborative efforts of dozens if not hundreds of people. Do you “vet” every member of that cast, crew or design team before you buy the product? After all, you are providing their income if you do so. How do you know that not a single one of them turns around and donates to Focus on the Family? How do you know that not a single one of them marches at Tea Party rallies, or advocates the sale of automatic weapons, or anything else you might happen to disagree with? You don’t.

    The only difference between those contributors to collaborative works, who are conveniently forgotten about by those who argue that we should base purchasing decisions on the political/philosophical views of their creators, is that Card is a single, prominent entity. He’s a visible figurehead, and Ender’s Game and the upcoming Superman comic are written by a single individual. It’s easy to single him out. But that’s just lazy activism, and reveals blatant hypocrisy. And that’s not how I would like to live.

    I’m not even sure where to begin with the assertion that participants in geek culture must by definition be liberal. First, as a Libertarian I’ve found very few occasions when my viewpoints are diametrically opposed by content in works considered part of “geek” culture… it’s usually the creators who mouth off into any microphone they can find that really irritate me. And again, by principle I refuse to let that affect my enjoyment of an entertainment product. Second, even if I did find myself frequently challenged, I would have to have a pretty thin skin or be very unsure of my beliefs to let that drive me away from an entire subculture.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    It doesn’t make a difference to you that Card CAN be singled out as the beneficiary of Ender’s Game, since a novel isn’t nearly the collaborative effort that a film can be? I disagree with singling him out versus singling out everyone being a decent argument since that’s not dissimilar from saying since we can’t stop all crime, we shouldn’t bother trying.

    As for your political views, I never really considered libertarianism to be a conservative viewpoint, more of a radical one…and I see more in common with liberalism and radicalism than conservative but I suppose it depends on your p.o.v.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

    My IRL reaction when I read this comment:

    “…Hnnnnggghghghghghghhhhhhh-”

    Homophobia and racism all rolled into one. It’s like Bigotry Damacy. I really don’t think I’ll pick this book up, even for free. My head’ll hurt too much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodimusben Ben Lundy

    You’re correct, libertarianism is not conservatism. Most people incorrectly view political positions on a line from left to right, but they are actually best represented by a diamond. Libertarianism and fascism stand on the north and south ends of the diamond, and liberalism and conservatism stand on the west and east.

    But to your first point, no, it doesn’t make any difference to me that Card can be singled out as an individual, because doing so is lazy and hypocritical. You either base your consumption of creative works on the political/philosophical views of the creator(s), or you don’t.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    So, liberalism doesn’t go far enough in your opinion?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

    I’d hesitate to say always. It’s just that jackasses tend to be the loudest, and thus get more attention.

  • http://twitter.com/Loerwyn Kathryn

    You’ve fallen into the same trap as many others with this discussion.

    The issue is not his views (though they are worrying at the very least), it is his ACTIONS that are causing the problem. He donates his time and money to NOM, including sitting on its board of directors. He’s advocated the overthrow of the US government seemingly solely based on the point that marriage equality is being enacted. Whilst he has not preached violence against homosexual people, he’s certainly fuelled hatred and misinformation about them in order to try and win people over to his – and NOM’s – cause.

    The guy doesn’t just have shocking views, his actions are abhorrent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodimusben Ben Lundy

    It’s more complicated than that. I’d suggest studying the tenets of libertarianism if you’re inclined. Interestingly, most Americans have libertarian views if they are questioned about their basic beliefs and values without having labels applied to them, but that’s neither here nor there.

    It wasn’t my intention to start a major argument with my original post, I just want everyone to think for themselves and not as part of a groupthink on this issue. If your moral compass tells you not to experience Card’s creations, then by all means.

  • Anonymous

    “his most well known books espouse a philosophy that many find completely at odds with his personal views… where humanity’s greatest failure was in not sensing the humanity of those who were different”

    That’s because as the great great grandson of Brigham Young, he’s primarily been concerned with the discrimination and phobia of MORMONISM (while atheists and phags can go fuck themselves on the way to hell in his opinion)

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Eh, you didn’t. It was a discussion. Too many Internet threads devolve into “you must be retarded!” blah blah blah…discussion is great.

  • Anonymous

    This site lets you type “fuck”

  • Anonymous

    Well,. he never said it was a good thing. I was under the impression, reading the books, that it was supposed to be awful

  • Anonymous

    Preach

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1064437317 Thalia Sutton

    Sounds like we have another L. Ron Hubbard on our hands….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1064437317 Thalia Sutton

    Do you think they knew about that acronym and pulled a, “Square-adult-parents wanting to act like they’re in the know with the youngins-these-days”?

    I’ve always wondered if there’s some 50-year-old woman in the background smiling perversely, and incorrectly, at her own cleverness, every time someone mentions the name of her group, “nom.”

  • http://twitter.com/cythraul Stephen Dunscombe

    Homophobia and racism all rolled into one. It’s like Bigotry Damacy.

    Where were you when I was brainstorming names for a blog? “Bigotry Damacy”. That’s fantastic. :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

    Haha, that would be a good blog name! For all your prejudiced clusterfuck needs!

  • http://www3.sympatico.ca/jpolowin Joel Polowin

    An acquaintance recently pointed out a recurring pattern in Card’s work, one that hadn’t quite crystallized for me before: he creates situations in which good people are justified in doing evil things. This shows up in _Ender’s Game_, in Ender’s dealing with his tormentors.

    (I already knew about his pattern of doing horrible things to children. IIRC, he’s written about it as a useful literary technique for getting the attention and sympathies of the readers.)

  • http://twitter.com/kelli217 Kelli

    Perhaps OSC suffered a severe head injury at some point. Such injuries have been known to cause personality shifts and changes in previously demonstrated talents.

  • Cassandra Grindall

    Not only a homophobe, a unrepentant fascist.