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Joss Whedon Says Avengers 2 Will Be Loki-Less, Talks Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver


Looks like after Thor, The Avengers, and Thor: The Dark World, Loki will be taking a break. That’s according to Joss Whedon, who mentioned in a podcast interview with Empire that the character will not be in the Avengers and then proceeded to talk about euphemisms for female anatomy.

It makes sense in context, I swear.

The issue came up when one of the interviewers, a big fan of Whedon sneaking the word “quim” into The Avengers, asked whether he’d “been able to unearth an olde english word that can rival ‘quim’ for Avengers 2?” Whedon then responded:

“Everyone is going to be looking for the Loki-Hulk smash moment and you’ll be looking for [a quim moment]. First of all, imitating what I did before is the surest way to do it not as well. Second of all, Loki’s not there to say those terrible things. Although I do think we should bring the word back. Not as an insult, it’s just a nice word. There aren’t a lot of nice words for it. The ones in common usage are either like sort of offensive, or just sort of lame… it’s just not good. Quim! What a lovely word for a lovely thing.”

Holy conversational whiplash, Batman! My brain’s having a hard time knowing what part of that response to focus on.

He also had some things to say about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, starting with the fact that they’re “going to be dope” and that the duo is:

“very, very close to my heart, because they were Avengers the whole time I was reading the books as a kid. Sometimes they were evil, sometimes they were good. They were very textured, very different than everybody else in the mix.”

He continued with a vague statement about their relationship to the Avengers that might be considered a bit spoilery, so I’m hiding it. In response to a comment from the interviewer that the Avengers “are kind of becoming a family, and then you’ll have another… sub-trope within the group,” Whedon remarked: “Mm-hmm. Or without. They’re not there to make things easier for the Avengers. But yeah, what do we do with a group once we’ve got them? Squeeze… and the fun that I’m having doing that is probably unseemly.”

Makes sense. You have a group that’s been through at least one huge, world-threatening event together; if you throw some newbs into the mix there’s bound to be conflict. But what if that conflict is more than the normal getting-to-know-you stuff the Avengers themselves went through? Is it 2015 yet?

(via: Empire)

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  • TKS

    Loki was a great character, and Hiddles did a great job performing him. That said, I am glad to see Avengers 2 will be moving forward.

  • Anonymous

    The Avengers have a great array of villains to choose from. Hiddleston absolutely owned that role but it’d be a mistake to not explore some new options just because people liked his performance. Hell by the time it comes out he’ll already have been in three movies, more than any other Marvel Studios villain so far.

  • Emily Neenan

    I still want to see Loki becoming Thor’s primary background character — like Pepper is for Stark — and in that really ambiguous zone, a bit like in Thor 1, where Thor and the audience aren’t always exactly sure how much to trust him, whether he’s helping or hindering or just fucking about. Guess I’ll have to survive on fanfic for that until Thor 3!

  • faceoftrollol

    trigger warnings for mentions of rape and misogyny.

    If Whedon wants to reclaim “quim” as a “nice word” than he shouldn’t have used it as an insult in the movie. No matter how many people may get hot at the idea of Loki calling them a “mewling quim”, in context of “Avengers” it is used as an insult together with a rape threat. We know it means “c***” which is already widely used as a slur. And though there is work done to reclaim “c***”, these associations have already put “quim” on the level of gendered insults.

    tl;dr: If you don’t want it used as an insult, Whedon, you shouldn’t have introduced it to the world as an insult.

    And regardless of whether or not it takes off as a “nice word”, I wish Joss Whedon would stop being all “Teehee, I snuck the C-word into a PG-13 movie, I’m so clever.”

  • Curuniel

    To be fair, from my perspective it’s not a neat thing to do because of what the word refers to, but because it’s once of those archaic words which you never ever hear anymore but for which there is still a use, if people picked it up. You’re right in saying that the usage wasn’t exactly positive, but it was Loki; he suits both archaic language and its derogatory use.

  • Brian

    I think he was saying that if people want to use it, they shouldn’t use it the way Loki did, not that his intention in writing the line was to reintroduce it.

  • Brian

    Perfect example is Magneto. Great villain played by maybe the greatest living actor, but by movie three, it was “Oh, hey, this again. Same as before, but with more guys. Great.”

  • Katy

    I can see Loki becoming a background character in the Thor movies as well. Despite the betrayal, it seems like Thor just can’t bring himself to kill Loki because Thor still feels that Loki is his brother. However, I would LOVE to see Loki in his own movie(s). He’s got some pretty interesting storylines.

  • Anonymous

    As much as I worship Hiddlestone I kinda figured he’d be MIA for Avengers 2, after bieng the Big Bad in both Thor and Avengers and the Alternate Bad in Thor 2.

    Part of me was hoping maybe he could be a part of A2 as a help against Thanos, but I can see that they need some new blood to spill.
    Oh well.
    Loki spin-off?

    Pleeeeease!

  • LifeLessons

    I love you Joss. And I agree: Quim is GREAT!

  • faceoftrollol

    Let’s tag the rape threat with Your Mileage May Vary, shall we? It’s very much a rape threat to me. If someone threatened to mind control a close male friend of mine to hurt me “intimately” in “every way he knows [I] fear” hoo boy, that’ll definitely include rape. So let’s put it down to a subjective thing, since the whole thing is reliant on what Natasha fears. If she doesn’t fear rape from Barton then more power to her and everyone else who thinks so.

  • Donna Mcpherson

    I am just so glad to know that SW will be in Avengers 2. She was my favorite character in the comic. I wonder if Magneto will show up too?

  • Ron Brueske

    Bam-bam-bam “Puny God” bwahahahaha