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Dark Horse’s Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Nine #6 Covers A Big Issue, in an Anti-Twilight Way [SPOILERS]


In a Very Special Issue of Dark Horse‘s Buffy the Vampire Slayer comic, the titular ass-kicker makes a very serious decision about her future: she considers having an abortion. Is this proving to be an easy decision for her? Of course it isn’t. And this plotline is a good look at everything Twilight got wrong in Breaking Dawn, when Bella refused to end a pregnancy that was literally killing her, but then it all turned out okay in the end, because of vampire magic. Yeah. Buffy knows that’s not real, and that there are actual consequences to consider when this happens. SPOILERS after the jump.

Something that always seems to be missing from the abortion debate is a rather key element: the woman who is pregnant. People who oppose abortion believe that the health of the unborn child comes first, and many think that women think nothing of the fetus growing inside of them and come to the decision to end their pregnancies as easily as they’d get rid of a pair of shoes.

We all know this is very, very far from the truth. And that’s something that Buffy ponders in Season 9, issue #6 in the comic continuation of the series. For one thing, she is uncertain of the father, but is leaning towards Spike. But as she says in the panel below, if she can’t even pull herself together enough to figure that out, then that’s just one reason she shouldn’t become a mother right now.

However, this was not the whole story in issue #6. She also speaks to Robin, whose mother Nikki was another Slayer. And when Nikki found herself pregnant, she made the decision to raise her baby. And, as Robin points out in the panel up top, he wouldn’t be here today, sitting in front of Buffy as a friend, if not for that decision.

This is such an important part of this story. Many of the people who subscribe to the “baby-killer” myth of abortion do not consider that women weigh their options repeatedly, and it is gut-wrenching, heartbreaking, and not at all easy. Imagine the added emotional layers of a woman impregnated after being raped. But many don’t seem to think the woman’s feelings are a factor in this.

And that’s what is wrong with Bella’s pregnancy in Twilight: Breaking Dawn. Sure, she chooses to continue her pregnancy. This was her decision, as she told Edward when he asked her to get an abortion, and she was sticking with it. But was she considering her own health? Clearly not. Was she considering the fact that this demon baby inside of her was actually, physically killing her? No — what Stephanie Meyer did was tear Bella apart from the inside, repair her with vampire magic when she was near death after the gruesome birth, and then it was all okay in the end. In other words: “See? It all turned out okay! We fixed you! And now you have a baby and you’ll be with Edward forever!”

tl;dr — What Buffy goes through, despite the supernatural aspect of her life, is what most women go through when they consider abortion. What Bella goes through is what it seems anti-choice people think might happen. In their dreams.

(via Bleeding Cool)

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  • Anonymous

    Wow. Gotta get back into this comic. Spike & Robin, I have missed you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=83502787 Matt Leach

    Bravo. I completely agree!

  • Francesca M

    Oh no kidding. That baby would be considered an anti-christ, a messiah, chosen one. Etc. Though honestly it would crack me up if it just turned out to be an absolutely normal baby

  • Anonymous

    I almost totally agree, except for one part.  And don’t take this in any way to be a show of support for Twilight.  You appear to be suggesting that a woman would not willingly choose to have a child that will probably kill them.  I know from personal experience that plenty of women will proceed to have a child that will end up costing them their lives.  As a man, I believe this makes them the stronger gender :)

  • Anonymous

    Ending a pregnancy because it threatens the life of the mother is a viable option. It’s called Pro-Life for a reason. Although not all agree with that stance.

    But ending the pregnancy because someone “doesn’t feel ready” is horrible. How are you not sickened by the very thought? Our society is more sickened by someone drowning kittens then killing a child.
    You even point it out in the above comic. Buffy’s friend wouldn’t be alive if his mother had an abortion. Yet you still argue that this is a viable choice?

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I completely forgot about Robin! 

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I couldn’t agree with you more, drowning a child is so much more difficult! They kick, they cry, it’s a real pain in the ass. I celebrated my 50th KDD (Kitten Drowning Day) in September, and I’m planning a spree as soon as I get my tax refund. Watching the light go out of their cute witto eyes brightens my outlook on everything else.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Kidding! Just…kidding. Not that I’m at all trying to belittle your stance, you understand, after all, the constitution entitles every one of us to an asshole.

  • Anonymous

    It appears our difference lies in a disagreement over when in pregnancy a woman can truly be considered to be two discrete beings in one body, a concept that you must agree is somewhat… debated, and for good, factual reasons. If you don’t, I don’t think we’ll be able to come to any kind of consensus. 

    Terry Pratchett’s latest book introduces goblins as a race to his setting, and one of their most interesting features, to me, is emblematic of their “untouchable” place in Discworld society. Goblins have very, very hard lives. Every other race around them considers them “vermin,” and not much else. When they do not live hidden, subsisting on society’s trash or meagre resources that other races deem beneath them, they are exterminated or enslaved. Pregnant goblin women have the unique ability to store the souls of their new children in something like canopic jars, for the day when bringing them into the world will not be so painful or hard for either them or the mother. There are times, in goblin lives, when this is performed, with the greatest of sadness and reverence, because the mother’s child is actually more valuable as food (or tissue that her body can consume) than as a continuation of the species. These jars are held precious until such a time that the child may be born safely and with minimal possibly deadly, impact on the mother’s life. 

    Obviously, actual women can’t do this, not least because nobody’s been able to pin down exactly when a fetus becomes an entity. But if the potential for a fetus to become a human life weighs on the mind of a woman with an unexpected pregnancy in situation not conducive to that potential life, so does a potential of her own: to later have a child in safer, happier circumstances that may never occur if she has a child now. Obviously our society shouldn’t require all women to abort unexpected fetuses, nor should we require all women to bear them. The answer lies in creating a society somewhere in between, that supports women in making free and calm choices about their own specific circumstances, and then supports those choices. 

  • http://twitter.com/RockShrimp Willow

    For every person who I would be sad if they had been aborted, there’s a person who the planet would have been better off without. It’s all a giant crap shoot anyway. You can’t base morality off of that kind of argument.

  • http://twitter.com/steviferg stevi ferg

    Oh jeez, just when I thought the Buffy comics were redeeming themselves, they decide to go all baby-fic on me. 

  • http://twitter.com/acidragdoll Bel

    Many comics and TV shows are also “misogynistic Trojan horses poisoning the minds of young people.”  The only reason people get so up in arms over Twilight is that girls actually like it.

  • http://twitter.com/acidragdoll Bel

    How are you not sickened by the very thought of a kid growing up in a household where it isn’t wanted and the parents can’t support it?  I don’t mourn for something that never lived.

  • Anonymous

    Baby fic? Really? Buffy’s a woman. For most women, the possibility of motherhood is very much an important topic, whether or not they choose to have children. Something that I’ve always appreciated about Buffy was how much the writers allowed her to have a full life, and as she’s been shown to have an active sex life, dismissing the issue of pregnancy as “baby fic” seems remarkably dense.
    To me, writing around the possibility of pregnancy would be far more unrealistic than addressing it head on.

  • http://twitter.com/no_cazador hunter ray

     ew

  • John Wao

    I miss the show.

  • Alissa Adams

    I think you make a valid point about the fact that some (“some” used here because it is the most non-specific quantity word I could come up with) women choose to have a baby even if it kills/is killing them. It’s their body and their choice, therefore I’m incapable of feeling anything but respect for their ability to ride out what has to be an incredibly trying time.

    The thing that’s problematic about Twilight in this case is that, as far as I remember (it’s been a while), the decision is easy for Bella. She doesn’t have second thoughts or even stop to consider her own health; the possibility that she might die–even with special vampire venom–is a non-issue. There is never a moment when it’s made clear that the situation is incredibly complicated, emotionally. The biggest psychological stress Bella seems to feel stems from the fact that her dear, sweet, Eddie-kins doesn’t agree with her. Meyer seems completely unaware of the possibility that a woman (let alone a teenager) in that situation might have doubts, second thoughts, insecurities, and worries. She doesn’t even have Bella stop to think, “will my kid be screwed up and guilt-ridden if the vampire mojo doesn’t work and I die giving birth?”

    It just isn’t a convincing handling of what has to be an incredibly complicated and tortuous psychological state (it would be convincing if the reader later found out that Bella has a psychological disorder of some sort, but that doesn’t happen so…moot point). It’s also more than a little irresponsible for an author with as strong a following as Meyer not to at least acknowledge the possibility that choosing to have a baby even if it kills you could be a difficult call to make. Especially if, you know, your main character started off the series actively against the idea of having children…and is still a teenager when she gets pregnant.

    Short version: The problem with Twilight is not that real women never to choose to have babies at the expense of their own health, it’s that Meyer completely glosses over the emotional and psychological issues involved in making and sticking with such a decision.
    —–
    I would apologize for the wall of text that’s above, but this issue deserves more than a pithy one liner.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Greg-Sanders/690069501 Greg Sanders

    This kind of thing should be handled far more appropriately than is being done here. You use rape as the only example of pregnancy given, as if that will sidestep any argument in the conversation, and that is absurd. There’s more to this than that; Adoption is just as much of an option. Should stupidity and women not thinking “it could happen to them”, be rewarded with a free ride and a clean up? Your definition of life is grossly misunderstood, apparently. A living organism is still living, which constitutes murder, and I don’t see you praising stressed out mommy for killing her six year old. 

    Mary Sue, you’re purporting further problems and distress here, and I don’t respect that. Giving up a child should be an informed, conclusive decision, and adoption is always an option. Unless you just don’t want to get fat. And don’t get started on the “rape” scenario. Yes, rape is an awful occurrence, and I cannot begin to grasp what one experiences, mentally, in those situations. This is about a women who engages in sexual activity, without protect or concern, has a child, and decides they can just throw away their own stupidity. Which is what Buffy is doing, they have turned a wonderful character into another misinformed slob, and that’s just sad.

    UNLESS; Adoption is talked about, and you didn’t mention because you wish to perpetuate the vicious cycle of not informing young women of actual options they have available. Shame on you.

  • Anonymous

    Birth control, condoms, and all that other great stuff DO have a failure rate, y’know. I know you’re saying you’re against this ‘killing of living things’ but it reads more like ‘pregnancy should be visited on women as a punishment for having sex’.

  • Anonymous

    Carrying a child is a 9 month effort of avoiding a massive list of toxins, protecting one’s health through insane means, and risking a vast number of issues that most men don’t ever hear about. You can’t even change a LITTERBOX without having to worry about something happening to the little life inside you. It isn’t pure laziness that makes a woman hesitate at “just adopting it, if they don’t want to raise it.”

    Nor is pregnancy something that guarentees an unstable environment will stabilize enough for one to nurture the child. There are some adoption options that offer a bit of money to the woman for upkeep, there are government programs to help with food and the like…but much of it is insufficent. Read about what goes into making sure a fetus stays healthy sometime.

  • Anonymous

    First of all, lets remember that the father may be a monster (taken from limited knowledge of Buffy comic or show and the article itself). Given this highly fictional situation, is adopting out a possible half/monster-human hybrid thing really the BEST idea? How about “Here’s this thing that may eat you one day, its cute now though. Feed it and love it.”? Sound good to you? Personally, I’d call the police.

    Second of all, pregnancy is a serious thing on its own and anyone not ready to deal with their own life should have the option to refuse care of someone else’s after careful thought and much weighing of options.

  • http://twitter.com/valliant Kat

    I’ll apologize in advance for this big long block of text.  And I want to preface this with saying that I understand where you’re coming from.  I remember thinking that same thought back in highschool – and I continued to think it until I found out in university that one of my best friends, a girl I really respected, who was pursuing her dreams as hard as she could, had been faced with the decision (she and her boyfriend at the time had doubled up on protection, but she still got pregnant) and ended up aborting the fetus in the first trimester.

    This isn’t a problem of faintheartedness, or of a fickle nature, or of unwarranted fears, or of thoughtless destruction. 

    There are a lot of countries (theocracies, mostly) that have outlawed abortions, but they have the same number of abortions on average as women do in countries where it is legal.  The only difference is that the death rates of the mothers tend to be higher in the countries where it is illegal – I remember reading in one of the studies about a man who was in a (Venezuelan?  Brazilian?) hospital, and half of the women in the birthing ward were there because they had had illegal botched abortions and needed hospitalization for the infections. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html)

    This isn’t a problem of faintheartedness, or of a fickle nature, or of unwarranted fears, or of thoughtless destruction. 

    Why would a woman in a country where the main religion is telling them that abortion is wrong, indeed where there is no legal way to obtain one, risk having an abortion?  More often than not “they don’t feel ready”.

    “Doesn’t feel ready” is a valid reason, but should more correctly be termed:”Doesn’t have insurance/can’t afford to have a baby.”
    “Doesn’t have a support network”
    “Doesn’t have a way to support the baby, and probably having the baby would mean that they wouldn’t be able to attend college/school in order to get a better job”
    “Blames the baby for making their lives infinitely more complicated and difficult”. (You want to talk to kids who came out of those households or ended up in orphanages and you’ll find out how rough that can be) ”Is scared about the physical dangers of childbearing.”  (My sister-in-law nearly died in childbirth, and there had been every indication it would be a ‘regular’ pregnancy.) And I’m going to repeat it again, probably annoyingly: This isn’t a problem of faintheartedness, or of a fickle nature, or of unwarranted fears, or of thoughtless destruction.______________________I’m not saying that all unplanned pregnancies end badly – indeed, I’m sure that for some people, they are a blessing in disguise, and/or the child will be put up for adoption and have a good life.  I’m a big believer in possibility, and abortions could be killing off future nobel peace laureates.  But they could also be killing off future thieves and rapists and murderers;  there’s a fairly well-documented correlation between crime rates and legalized abortions – made famous by the book and movie Freakonomics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect)I just think that anyone trying to make abortion illegal should be throwing every spare penny they have into funds to help pay for unplanned pregnancies, to make adoption cost less than buying a house.  It’s easy to shout out that this is a problem, but it’s a lot harder to offer a viable solution.______________________Here’s the kicker:15 to 20 percent of documented pregnancies (with the implication that the undocumented number is probably much, much larger) end in clinical spontaneous abortions – natural, and sometimes unnoticed because they happen within the first trimester, often because something is wrong with the development of the fetus.  Last time I checked, one-in-three births was a miscarriage. That’s just nature trying to insure that life has the best chances through form (the fetuses are sometimes mal-formed) and environment to continue on.  (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/miscarriage/DS01105)Those babies were just as alive as their manually-aborted brethren.  But for some reason, the time/circumstances weren’t right, and they were never born.  Railing at mothers who either don’t want children or want to make sure that when they do have children they can support them seems both fruitless and cruel.

    Though, thought all of this, I’ve been thinking of the movie Ideocracy…

    And yes, drowning a bag of babies is as-or-more disturbing than drowning a bag of kittens.

  • http://twitter.com/valliant Kat

    That’s a big one – if you’re a believer in souls, when does the baby get one?  In the first/second/third trimester?  At the moment they’re born? Does it get a separate one, or is it part of the mother’s soul branching off and growing? I personally go for the moment of birth theory – or maybe third trimester (about when the baby could survive on its own outside of the womb).  I can see how people would be bothered by abortions if they consider conception the beginning of life, but then at least 15-20% (actually probably a lot more, but those percentages are documented) are lost to clinical spontaneous abortions (naturally occurring, often before the mother knows she’s pregnant) of souls die before they’re even born.

  • http://twitter.com/valliant Kat

    To *be* and asshole, or to *have* one?  I’d like to see the constitutional amendment to ban having one…  It’d be over methane pollution, I’m pretty sure…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R7GVNIKWG3S2UTHEQOMSZXT4M4 Anna B

    TRIGGER WARNING

    I’m not sickened by the thought because countless children live and then die as children because their PARENTS aren’t capable of taking care of them. They’re abandoned, left on the streets, live lives of crime if they manage to survive to their teens, and get ABUSED. It’s basically people who think the same as you who complain about people like these: “Welfare moochers.” “Repeat offenders.” “Racoons.”  If you don’t have the humanity to view real people as people, then I find it difficult to think your arguments valid for when someone is actually responsible enough to admit they don’t feel ready to be a parent.

    And for EVERY person who says, “I wouldn’t be alive if my mother aborted me,” there’s an equal number of assholes who wouldn’t have caused so much premature deaths, crimes, and atrocities if they’d been aborted.  So yeah, it’s not the most helpful general argument.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R7GVNIKWG3S2UTHEQOMSZXT4M4 Anna B

    You’re embarrassing all the reasonable and intelligent men on this thread.

  • http://twitter.com/valliant Kat

    While I understand – ond once agreed with – the heart of your argument, I have to disagree.  

    “A living organism is still living, which constitutes murder, and I don’t see you praising stressed out mommy for killing her six year old.”

    So is a miscarriage involuntary manslaghter? Do you want to tell a mother who will die if she gives birth, “You have to murder your baby if you want to live”?  

    And the “stressed out mommy”s are usually mentally unhinged, and suffering from post-partum depression.  Look that one up, if you don’t know about it – it’s a common danger for mothers – because yes, there are actually inherent dangers that come with motherhood.  And unless your name is short for “Gregoria”…

    You come across with a decided gender bias.  I know women who think the same way , but they generally change their tune when they or their friends have to deal with an unwanted pregnancy (outside of the influence of a church – but sometimes even then).

    I have a fundamental problem – sorry, but specifically with guys – who speak emphatically on this issue as if it’s all black-and-white, neatly laid out as a problem that has a simple solution, especially when guys taking the same actions – making the same mistakes – as girls results in vastly disproportionate outcomes.  If the solution was that simple, believe me, women would already be doing it.  

    Guys don’t have to worry if a condom breaks or their birth control fails – they can choose to, if they’re good guys, or if the girls are in a position to ge them to pay child support – but they don’t ever have to deal with the feeling of utter terror that being pregnant (or even thinking you could be pregnant) engenders.  They don’t have to deal with the knowledge that something could go wrong at any point, that they could die if there are complications (we nearly lost my sister-in-law to a complication. She lost both babies.  She’s so messed up from it, physically, that she can’t have any more children, and if she’s hit in the stomach hard enough it will kill her.)  Women are incredibly vulnerable when they’re pregnant, and they also know that at the end they’ll have to deal with insane amounts of pain for hours and/or days.Guys can choose whether to deal with that.  Girls don’t get that choice.  

    A guy makes a mistake, he can walk away.  A girl makes a mistake, she’s in for an uncertain future, oceans of various expenses, certain pain, and possible death.  

    I can totally respect women who know all of this and still choose to go forward with their pregnancies at a time when they might not have a lot of money and/or support in their lives.  Often they have their faith, their community and/or their church to assist them.  Not all women do.  

    And finally:
    “This is about a women who engages in sexual activity, without protect or concern, has a child, and decides they can just throw away their own stupidity. Which is what Buffy is doing, they have turned a wonderful character into another misinformed slob, and that’s just sad.”

    I haven’t seen one negative thing about the possible fathers in your senario. Somehow she is the only one you seem to be blaming?  

    It’s a free country, and you’re welcome you your opinion.  And I think guys have as much a right to debate this issue as girls do – but I think girls get the deciding vote.  Because it’s difficult for someone to really understand women’s issues without being a woman, or knowing a lot about women – which most men don’t.   I won’t be able to really respect men’s opinions on this until they come equipped with wombs and run the same risks as women.

  • Ariel Wetzel

    I wish the Buffy comics would address that Buffy was raped.  She was impregnated while having an alcohol blackout and does not know who the father is.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    We-ell, I didn’t want to be rude to the mentally disadvantaged.

  • Anonymous

    Can’t like this comment enough.

  • Anonymous

     Adoption is not always an option and it is nowhere near as simple as you think.

  • http://twitter.com/acidragdoll Bel

    It’s not “stupid” to engage in sexual activity (with or without protection or concern – and men do it all the time and aren’t expected to be “punished”) and it’s not killing anything to remove a bunch of cells that cannot survive outside of the body.  Do you think exfoliating is murder or object to the removal of tapeworms?  Christ.

    Also, if you have no womb, you have no stake in the argument.  STFU.

  • http://twitter.com/IamGVAmor Gordy Valledor Jr

    Just to be stupid…
    What the hell was Edward doing “suggesting” to Bella that she should get the baby aborted. A MAN only has one thing he can say when he gets a women pregnant (clears throat and impersonates Chris Rock) “So what YOU gonna do?”
    Haha…as if a man’s opinon was vaild in this manor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563223409 Vic Horsham

    If a foetus is a person with a right to live, he/she would still not have the right to use the woman’s body without her consent. 

    You can’t force someone to donate bone marrow, or a kidney.  You can’t even force a person to donate blood, even though it is essentially a risk-free procedure and the lost blood is rapidly replaced.  Even though thousands of people die every year for a simple shortage of donor organs.  Because people have the right to control what use other people put their bodies to.  If a foetus is a person, then it really doesn’t make any difference. 

    There have been cases in law where a child was dying and the only likely donor match was a sibling or half-sibling, and the parents would not allow one child to risk their health for the sake of the other.  Now, we can certainly make personal moral judgements, and consider whether we condone that decision, but the law must allow for that refusal.

    Just as it must allow a woman to refuse consent to allow a foetus access to her body.

  • Anonymous

    Buffy may have been raped but we don’t know, and I get the impression from the comics that Buffy presumes that she had consensual sex with someone but she (and probably they) can’t remember consenting.

  • Anonymous

    You certainly make a lot of assumptions here about what pro-lifers think. Have you ever actually sat down and had a conversation with one?

  • Sean Allaire

    As one of medical science, I understand that the single cell is the smallest, functional unit of life.  Therefore the smallest functional human life form is that single cell at the moment of fertilization.  For all this talk of how the female feels and her capacity to be a parent, there is the inescapable biological truth that there is another, living human, a person, inside of her and by its very nature incapable of having a say in the matter.

    Ending that life, be it before birth or after, has the same net effect: a human has been killed.  And unless the abortion is performed because the pregnancy is threatening the mother’s life (save who you can), terminating that life is fundamentally wrong.  It is no less wrong than ending another’s life for any of the other reasons people have come up with to justify killing another human being.

  • Adam Whitley

    Yes that was some serious verbal pwnage right there.

  • Adam Whitley

    Expect that a single cell has no goals, aspirations, feelings,hopes,  brain function, body in general….

  • http://sevenmarie.livejournal.com/ pooslie

    well Edward IS her husband so it is his child too, my husband would definately be allowed to voice his opinion as we weigh our options if i was to become pregnant. and if he just stepped back and said “so what YOU gonna do?” i would probably want to kill myself.

    ALSO, Edward thinks (and turns out to be correct) that the baby will quite possibly kill her so as her husband he has every right to say loo, i think you should not have this baby.

    she doesn’t have to listen (and she doesn’t) but as married partners he is allowed to voice his opinion. especially in something that could KILL his wife!

     if she had cancer and didn’t want to get treatment, would he not be allowed to say “i think you should get treatment because i don’t want you to die”?

  • http://sevenmarie.livejournal.com/ pooslie

    not that twilight is worthwhile, but I would just like to state an example of when a
    woman has been impregnated by a demon and then felt protective over the
    baby :

    as you are reading the Buffy comics, i will assume you watched the show. did you watch Angel as well?

    if nos SPOILERS BELOW:

    there was an episode where Cody was impregnated with a demon spawn that, once it reached a certain point, started controlling her emotions (and eventually actions) so that she felt very protective of it.

    this is what i cite whenever people are flippant about Bella’s instant need to protect HER demon spawn baby. also, in the book–SPOILER FOR MOVIE BD2 BTW–(ugh i am citing the book now?) when the other 1/2 vampire kid comes along, they state that his mother also had an alsmos immediate need to protect the baby to the detriment of her own heath, etc so it seems to be the vampire babies’ modi operandi) (PLUS Bella has an additional push on her emotions to make her want
    to have the baby as it is her husbands and she is completely irrational when it comes to him)

  • http://sevenmarie.livejournal.com/ pooslie

    where is the “love” button?!

  • Sean Allaire

    Your strawman argument about weeds is noted.
      The cell does not need those things to be human.  A living human is the sum total of its functioning cells which shares common DNA inherited by the mother and the father (plus gametes, but those form in males well after birth).  The average number of cells a person possesses is reflective of the stage of development.  But regardless of the stage of development, that human is no more and no less human than it would be in any other stage.  Ending that human’s life has the same effect on that life no matter which stage of development the termination occurred.  And killing humans is wrong.

  • Sean Allaire

    Your anecdotal argument aside, in the medical field, consensual sex would be considered informed consent, and the way the female body naturally supplies nutrients and oxygen to the developing child would be considered implied consent.

  • http://twitter.com/anjyrulz Angela Zembal

    I always find it fascinating that the people who talk about adoption are rarely adoptees or birth-parents. They all seem to be under the misconception that if you just carry the child to term and give it away, then everything will be just fine, and you can go on with your life like nothing happened, and the baby will have a fantastic life filled with kittens and unicorns Tra-la-la. They never seem to consider the fact that it’s much more dangerous to bring a pregnancy to term than it is to have an abortion, or that birth-parents often have severe psychological trauma after giving up their babies, or that the adoptees often go to parents who don’t view them as their actual children and are treated as second class citizens by the people who are supposed be their family.  If you haven’t been through it, you really can’t comment on it. I’m an adoptee, and I’m Pro-Choice. I know adoptees who actually oppose adoption because of what they went through in their adoptive families. There is no easy choice in an unplanned pregnancy, and saying that someone who chooses to terminate their pregnancy is a “misinformed slob” only shows how misinformed you are.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really sad about this story line. Because I think what is interesting about Buffy is how Willow, Zander and the rest act more as we would and Buffy rises above her humanity (e.g. when she has to kill Angel end of Series 2) to do what is right at the time. She tells Faith that a slayer is not the same as a killer. Faith should have the abortion.

  • Anonymous

    You, my Lady, are a Legend!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Jefferson/1265766383 Jim Jefferson

    Barring rape, the woman would have already granted permission to the fetus by, you know, creating it. There are sane arguments for keeping abortion legal. Yours, the fetus as intruder/parasite, is not one of them.

  • Anonymous

    And herein is what it all boils down to.  Not whether women have a right to their bodies–because both sides believe that they do–nor whether all people have a right to life–because, again, both sides believe that they do (whether this right can be revoked as a result of a person’s actions is another matter).  What it boils down to is whether a human fetus is a life of the same gravity as a human baby.  If it is, while the woman’s feelings *matter,* I don’t think the feelings of all the people in the world can equal a single human life.  If it is not, though, then it is in fact oppressive to force a woman to go against her better judgment as to whether keeping a baby is the best thing for herself and her family.  And that’s why the issue is so painful, so hotly debated–because the morality of the law itself hinges on a factor the validity of which we can’t even agree on.