Webcartoonists Respond to the Cover of Catwoman #0

Hah hah, what IS that? How could anyone possibly think this was good art? 

Seriously, I’ve seen better anatomy from Liefeld.

You know, the quadra-mound entity isn’t too far off from the original…

Also, Megan Gedris! http://rosalarian.tumblr.com/post/24937237795/so-you-want-to-show-both-tits-and-ass-on-a

Can we just call them cartoonists and not webcartoonists. I’m tossing that in the same boat as women comedians. No one likes the name. Let’s move on.

It looks like someone botched her butt implants. 

Buttplants?

Carol Ferris is in virtually the same pose on the cover of New Guardians #0

After the new 52 was released I stopped reading. I was crushed by the sheer volume of unveiled sexism and objectification and couldn’t stomach it. I was considering seeing if anything had changed but obviously not. I miss the comics I’ve been reading for years but I’m finding others.

Also, new Green Arrow TV show coming out. Does anyone think Black Canary would have been a *way* better candidate for the small screen?

Your ass is grass.

 I understand the idea, but currently, webcomics are making more money and doing better than any of the other guys. I wouldn’t want to be lumped in yet. Plus it helps understand which group of people you are talking about. The story wouldn’t make nearly as much sense if she just said cartoonists every time.

 This was my first reaction. I like a curvy woman drawing as much as anyone, but this is *not* pretty/sexy/artistic in any way.

It looks creepy to me.

Can we hope for an alternate cover?

could someone please take poor catwoman to the chiropractor?  ouch!

1. I liked Shmorky’s take: 
https://twitter.com/sashmorky/status/212336240660447232/photo/1

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2. Keep digging, DC.

I could only hope to look half that good in a catsuit. Please GTFO Susana.

I know everybody is commenting on her butt and chest, but what the hell is up with her fingers? Look at them! They’re like Selena just crafted the talons of an eagle to her hand. And her thigh is longer than her torso. :P

Endless critiques from people who aren’t going to buy it anyway, who most likely never bought it in all the years it was on the shelves, and who are just really only interested in getting their own name out there during the controversy. Job well done.

Unless your a contortionist, that looks like a painful pose to hold while an “artist” renders the image. Then again it could be a clue of things to come as it looks like Bane snapped her back across his knee.

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A friend of mine, who is extremely limber, as well as a dancer, says that this position? Is completely impossible for a real woman to achieve without seriously injuring themselves.

I’m taking her at her word and not attempting it myself.

One of the things that the industry doesn’t really talk about is how almost none of these artists is even trained. Considering most fans eat it up without question (and are hostile to any criticism of their favorite artists), and anyone else simply doesn’t read it, it’s only gotten worse over time. Most characters I see are these weird, non-Euclidean geometric horrors (men and women) that has been on a downward spiral ever since Scott Liefeld thought he could draw. These guys make a good living, but I want to see the hilarity that would ensue if you threw them into a legit figure-drawing class. 

One of my favorite parodies is from the comic Chew, where Rob Guillory draws all of the secret agent women from the USDA as these interchangeable “comic hotties” with DDD cups with tiny waists that can all somehow do flips, and nobody acknowledges why it’s weird. These also serve in a way to highlight Rob Guillory’s much better female character designs like Olive, Amelia, and Antonelle.

John Troutman (litbrick.com, sporkman.com, maryelizabethssock.com) did an awesome parody of it too: http://twitpic.com/9vho3c

 http://skullpanda.com/post/24971164855/comics-are-stupid There’s this one too.

I know. We had three men and 9 women in my immediate family, so I’m not one of these internet “misandry” ‘spergs who doesn’t recognize the problem. I do like an occasional comic, and one of the few things that fills me with shame when examining the rack at my local comic store is all the boobs and terrible sex pun tag lines lining the walls. It’s just as bad with gaming, but no matter how much anyone whines about things being so samey, if we try to do things differently, then the fans (read: geeks) lose their minds.

 Fingers? I can’t past how unnatural that pose is for her NECK. She’s looking straight up, but slightly to the side with her chest going one way and her ass going another. It’s like WTF

You might want to check out the Eschergirls tumblr for lots of discussion like this on how women are drawn (or rather, drawn badly) in comics.

http://eschergirls.tumblr.com

Every time I see a Catwoman cover it makes me want to cry. The Adam Hughes covers were sexy, but also GORGEOUS. The Darwyn Cooke covers were quirky and charming and swank. Why doesn’t DC know what’s good and what isn’t? 

It’s Rob Liefeld Mr. Allen. Honestly, if you are going to call these artists out for being undertrained at least get the guys name correct.

Take a look at the logo for this site in the upper left.

I just followed a link on a friend’s Facebook to read the story, but I couldn’t help but notice the logo as I reflected on these comments.  Any of you ever objected to that logo?

Umm… why? Yes, it’s a woman who is posed- but the pose is actually possible for the human form, and it’s not blatantly for the purpose of titillation, unlike the cover. The way Catwoman’s posed makes it look like her skeleton is made of Silly Putty, all in an attempt to get as much T & A as possible.

I started reading The Flash and now Earth 2, the art in the Flash is bloody fantastic and I’m not seeing anything problematic about it so far (nine issues in) so I would suggest giving him a try. I avoid Catwoman like the plague though.

Actually I prefer the art style of today to yesteryears. Sure the 90s was a god awful time for art (I blame Liefeld for one.) but I like the clean lines and bright colors that are popular today and ADORE TO NO END the fact that comics are no longer printed on newsprint. I have massive issues with certain textures and the old comics tend to make my skin crawl.

Yes, some artists these days badly badly BADLY need to get some classes in anatomy and life drawing (Ed Benes being a good example of one of them.). But in general I’m happy to move away from the messy crosshatched looks comics used to have.

Holy cow, thank you.  I honestly stopped reading most American comics a while back because the art became so garish.  I’m not even talking about misproportioned females, but backgrounds, color schemes, everything about the comics.  And I always feel weird for voicing that because, hey.  These are the professionals.  They’re supposed to be better than me, right?  I can’t do that.

I agree….webcartoonists are in a much different boat than print comic artists or cartoonists compared to male and female comedians.  

I….I never thought I would read this.

I think the fingers are cool….except she’s got her last couple fingers tucked in.  Does this mean she’s gouging her fingers into her own palm!?

I don’t understand how that’s a parody of this cover…..just looks like a mauled catwoman…

ouch. my back hurts just looking at this. I have to say though, the artwork is great!

With all due respect, i don’t think there was any sexism in the NU52 (as much as i personally hate the reboot).

In fact a lot of the things people seem to be declaring sexism seem to be tame, even in comparission to things i could find in say Cleo, or Girlfriend, or any other magazine directed a predominately female audience.

I think that if women had been the predominate audience for these products, no one would have mentioned it. I think the only reason its noticed or mentioned at all is because we aren’t the predominate buying audience for the product. I think thats all it really comes down to: Our belief that there is sexism because men are the primary audience for the products in question.

Personally i think if its good enough for us (in the form of magazines like Cleo), then its good enough for the guys. Wouldn’t you agree?

Its funny how we see things. I personally can’t stand the art in the flash: But to each there own i suppose.

Not really? Black Canery was always better as a member of the League & BoP, then as a solo character.

Ditto the news print making my skin crawl.

But as far as Ed Benes needing anatomy classess i disagree. He draws anatomy just, fine, its just not to your personal preference. There’s nothing wrong with his anatomy images from a technical stand point (well proportioned & not triple jointed)

but i do agree with the 90′s art style not being so bad if you ignore Liefled. It did give us that bright shinny era of Avengers artwork, which accompanied Busieks writing.

“webcomics are making more money and doing better than any of the other guys”

I’m going to disagree. Some of them are, most of them are not. All webcomic artists are not equal.

Um, that pose is actually not all that hard to get into. A rather limber gymnast can get into that pose (albeit while in motion). The reason it looks so wrong is just because its a strange angle, we aren’t used to seeing.

They’ve down played the breasts, but uplayed the butt: Thats not entirely unrealistic given how lycra has a tendency to ride up. An yes, i’m telling you that as someone who once cosplayed as “Elseworlds Finest” version of Batwoman (and yes there are photos & no i’m not uploading them, LOL).

yeah but so is lifting a mountain yet superman did that, not to mention that most punches look totally awkward and off balance in not just dc comics but marvel image top cow and pretty much any amercian comic. if you wanna talk about oddly shapped bodies then take a look back at the old captain america ..you know the one i mean.