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Read the Geek Girl Commandments and Bill of Rights


Whether one sees it as a good thing or the end of all you hold dear, the geek tides are a-changing. Jana Quinn over at Forces of Geek seems to agree with us that such expansion can benefit everyone, but posits that those girls who have long been entrenched in geekdom should open their arms, take the newbies under their wing, and teach them our ways. As a part of this outreach philosophy, she put together what she refers to as The Geek Girl Commandments, as well as The Geek Girl Bill of Rights, outlining the general rules and philosophies that may govern the day to day life of both the newly initiated and the veterans. Read the highlights after the jump.

The Geek Girl Commandments

Thou shall not coyly mention your female status in forum posts, lest thee be courted for photographs of your bazooms.

Thou shall not begrudge non-geek women for entering the geekdom; for in increasing our numbers shall our collective strength grow

Thou shall not exclude thy non-geek friends from thy social life, for when thou shall seek to convert, to whom shall you preach?..

Thou shall respond with thanks to all who accuse you of doing something “like a girl…”

In the name of the Scully, the Connor, and the holy Ripley, Amen.

The Geek Girl Bill of Rights

I have the right to be taken seriously for my interests and not be accused of getting into video gaming, comic books, science, or other traditionally male-dominated geek interests to impress a guy.

I have the right to enjoy non-geeky things without losing geek cred.

I have the right to send angry emails to retailers that only offer geeky shirts in men’s styles and sizes.

So what do you think?To read the rest of the commandments and rights, and decide if there have been any glaring omissions, go here.

(via Neatorama)

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  • http://ladymercury-10.livejournal.com/ Maiasaura

    I like these a lot.

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    This reminds me…some d-bag that writes for the paper here in town wrote this editorial. http://www.projo.com/lifebeat/markpatinkin/Mark28_06-28-11_I2OQDOU_v14.34ea3.html

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    This reminds me…some d-bag that writes for the paper here in town wrote this editorial. http://www.projo.com/lifebeat/markpatinkin/Mark28_06-28-11_I2OQDOU_v14.34ea3.html

  • http://twitter.com/WanderingBauble Rachel Radwanski

    I am going to write a response to each ONE of his “points” on why guys have it “tougher.” I mean really? REALLY? I’ll try to include the blog post on here if anyone is interested in reading it. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/angelalynnfortin Angela Fortin

    I like it. But I’m fairly certain that the “thee” in the first commandment listed should also be a “thou.”

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    Right on. My fiancee showed me the article and my initial reaction was shock that she had even finished reading it. Not because it’s sexist (obviously, it is sexist), which was her beef, but because it was written this week, this  year, this decade, this generation. The entire list is outdated at best. Most of his points defy gender roles, apply to both, or the specific circumstances have changed so radically that they longer apply to anyone at all. And it’s boring! It’s frustrating that I cannot find work as a writer in any respect and this guy pisses out a bulleted list that occupies a quarter of the Lifestyles page and was presumably paid.

    As for the expressed opinion, whether women have it easier I cannot say because I have never been one…although if they ever make reversible reassignment surgery that’s less a life-altering choice and more like a very wacky vacation, I would gladly give it a go and would hope that some women would do the same, if only to have better written characters.

  • Anonymous

    THANK YOU. Might I add, “Thou shall not judge a geek girl by her cover?” I went in Hastings to buy Game of Thrones the other day to see if I’d like the books as much as the show (yes, btw, I do!), and the sales lady just lifted her brow and warned me that it was “complicated.” Like, “Lord of the Rings complicated.” Really, now? REALLY? I think if I can handle reading The Wheel of Time in 7th grade, I can handle GRRM. Christ.

  • mittbabysqueak

    hmmm. his image of ‘women’ seems to have become outdated many years ago. and even then it wasn’t true.

  • http://twitter.com/maverynthia Maverynthia

    Thou shalt not tell me how to live my life and tell me how a geek-girl acts or doesn’t act, or what a geek-girl does or does not do >:P

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    My supervisor has a quote on her door from John Trumbull:

    And why should girls be learn’d or wise? Books only serve to spoil their eyes.
    The studious eye but faintly twinkles,
    And reading paves the way to wrinkles. I’m unsure whether it’s meant to be ironic or if she simply has it there because it sounds pretty.I find the book (I’m only partially through it) to be much less complicated than the series, if only because characters are named more frequently and identified either by their name, house, or some characteristic befitting their character. I stumbled a bit in the first few episodes, attempting to separate Theon and Robb, Bran from Rickon, and then halfway through the series, out of freaking nowhere, there’s this big albino shouting “Hodor!” which was quite alarming all by itself. Perhaps I’m just thick but I’m appreciating the text quite a bit.

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    Precisely. More than anything else, I find it shocking that his article made it past an editor. It’s outdated malarkey and he was paid to write it.

  • Anonymous

    Bahaha, exactly! If you’re a bit thick, so am I…I poured over the HBO reader’s guide trying to get everyone straight when I first got into the show. That and the Mary Sue’s recaps, of course! I feel like that’s the way it is with every fantasy series, though–you spend the whole first book getting to know everyone until they feel like real, discernible people. And then you spend the rest of the series becoming deeply attached to them, waiting faithfully until the next books come out…

    Damn, I broke my promise to never start another series until the last book was out. You never know what could happen, the author could develop a rare disease and die while writing the last book in a dozen-book long epic saga that’s been dragging on for years and years *coughRobertJordancoughcough*. 

  • http://www.charmedescorts.com.au amyer76

    What is wrong with being a geek? I find that when I tell people that I like collecting stamps, reading, and playing computer games, they automatically say “You are such a geek.” 

  • http://www.charmedescorts.com.au amyer76

    What is wrong with being a geek? I find that when I tell people that I like collecting stamps, reading, and playing computer games, they automatically say “You are such a geek.” 

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    Yes! There are quite a few other tidbits that are left out of the television show that I think simplify the story rather than complicate it…it’s ridiculous that someone looked at you, thought, “Hm, you’re one Y chromosome shy of the comprehension level for this little diddy” and didn’t reveal suddenly that Bill and Ted had forcibly time traveled them into the future. I find any other explanation for that kind of backward idiocy baffling.

    Now that you mentioned it, I’ll ask, is it worth starting the Wheel of Time? The very first time anyone ever described Jordan to me, and I may have been eleven or twelve at the time, they referred to his over-sized books as “diarrhea of the mouth” which stuck in my head and, to this day, I avoid his books as if I could smell exactly what had been described. I know that it’s silly and generally I like longer stories…

  • http://twitter.com/johnhefner johnhefner

    “Thou shall not coyly mention your female status in forum posts, lest thee be courted for photographs of your bazooms.”

    … Ummmmm… how about “Fanboys, don’t ask girls for photographs of her bazooms period”?? The “coyly” doesn’t really make a difference here. I don’t think that fangirls should have to adjust their behaviors around the jackassery of the more socially-stunted asshole fanboys who should know that asking for bazoom photos, whether mentioned “coyly” or not, it not bloody socially acceptable. God knows they/we need commandments too.

  • http://twitter.com/Gr8SageEqlofHvn C G

    We have got to pass legislation against bringing people from more than 20 years ago into the present day. They always forget just when they are whenever they decide to tell people off.

  • http://twitter.com/KomiIsDrawing Komiyan

    Yeah, agreed. Sorry Mary Sue, but I don’t think giving commandments like this is really in the spirit of ‘be what you want to be’ that geekdom usually enjoys.

  • Anonymous

    I think the point is meant to be that you shouldn’t ask for or accept special attention for femaleness, and the commandments are for female geeks, but it could be phrased much better.
    let me try :
    “Thou shalt scorn the seekers of bosoms  and the flatterers of girl names, for they giveth  false internets and their loot is besmirched with condescension.”

    hm, or maybe:
    “Seeketh not the flattery of the White Knights nor the exaltations of the askers for ‘pic’s, nor shall thou look to any he-geek to exchange respect and fairness for favor unearned. To do so is to quash the triumphs of thy fellow woman and bring discord to the geekdom”
    Might have jumped the tracks from biblical to Shakespearean there.

  • Elena

    Some places you get special attention for femaleness whether you like it or not.  Some places you either get sexist droolings, outright abuse, accused of pretending to be a girl or accused of trying for special advantage.  Why can’t I ask for help – just like anyone might ask for help – without it being an appeal for a white knight?

    Like so many things there are no easy answers here, and I know the list is written in jest, but hiding what and who you are doesn’t seem like any kind of commandment I want to follow.

  • Elena

    Some places you get special attention for femaleness whether you like it or not.  Some places you either get sexist droolings, outright abuse, accused of pretending to be a girl or accused of trying for special advantage.  Why can’t I ask for help – just like anyone might ask for help – without it being an appeal for a white knight?

    Like so many things there are no easy answers here, and I know the list is written in jest, but hiding what and who you are doesn’t seem like any kind of commandment I want to follow.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, if I could get through them when I was 12, you could probably read them now no problem, haha. I just ate them up. Then again, I didn’t have a life or any friends or a job or anything else to distract me. I can’t remember the intricacies of the story as much any more because I’m waiting until the last book to come out before I reread them (Jordan picked another author to finish the series for him, and he added a couple of books). But yeah, I’d say if you like epic fantasy, WoT is about as epic as it gets!

  • http://roseeclipse.livejournal.com/ Rose Jones

    I’m tempted to add a commandments of “Thy Fan Fiction Shall be Beta-Read” or “Thou Shall Not Have More than 15 Mary Sues at One Time” or “Thou Shall Not Covet Edward and Jacob at the Same Time”.

    Being a Geek Girl has its stereotypes but from what I’ve seen at meetups and talked to people, we definitely have different backgrounds and personal tastes. I do have to say something to the person who tries to set me up with guy just because “he likes sci fi” or “he’s a Trekkie”. I don’t care if he likes Geek stuff, I just want him to respect my tastes. Then he can go play as much football as he wants.

    VI) Thou shall defend any geek that requires assistance, even if she is of the Trek persuasion and you have pledged your allegiance to the Wars

    Oh, I just love this one :D

  • Anonymous

    I was trying to rephrase it to be more “sexism that’s nice to you is still sexism”, but it’s a little tricky to address in a list directed towards geek girls without suggesting that it’s the geek girls’ responsibility to stop that kind of behavior.
    Any suggestions on how to amend it?

    I think the Bill of Rights tries to address asking for help/ winning while female, but it might need some work as well.

  • Ms. Sunlight

    I don’t know, that’s the thing.  It’s just yet another thing where women get the sharp end of the stick and then get blamed for it!

    “Thy gender is thy gender; thou must not fear the calls for pictures of bewbies nor court the patronising false chivalry or the white knights, for thy geekiness alone can sustain thee.”

  • Holly

    I love this manifesto so much, the gals and I over at GamerGrrlz.net are behind you 100% :)

  • Anonymous

    Not to interrupt, but I read WoT around the age of 12, and I had a life, friends, and, well, not a job, but numerous extra-curricular activities, and, I just couldn’t get into them.  I enjoy epics – I read the Hobbit and LOTR in elementary school and found them riveting; but, for some reason WoT just didn’t take.  For some frame of reading preference, I love LOTR, everything by Terry Brooks, and (randomly) David Farland’s Runelords.  So, perhaps it is simply a writing style/ taste preference.  I’ve been considering taking them up again (more people recommend them than don’t), but am currently devoted to Game of Thrones and tackling the Star Wars EU.

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    Thanks, both of you. I’m currently entangled in GoT, so it will be a while before I move on to another series, but it’s nice to have a queue. I admit that I didn’t enjoy the LotR as thoroughly as most. Three or four paragraphs about foliage and I wished that I could have ridden a time traveling telephone booth back in time to poke Tolkien in the eye. I do appreciate their place in our history and what he created but…yeah, too many trees. Oh. And Tom Bombadil.

  • http://amidstdancers.blogspot.com/ Shard Aerliss

    If the paper is anything like our Daily Mirror, Mail and Sun then these things are printed on purpose, to attention, to get people buying their paper and to get clicks on their sites. This is why I won’t be clicking the above link.

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  • Eric Bazilio

    “In the name of the Scully, the Connor, and the holy Ripley, Amen.”

    Best. Trinity. EVER. *_*

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  • Morgan Peltier

    I started reading WoT when I was a bit older, around 17 or so, and my addiction played a major part in the downturn in my grades that semester. I could see a 12 year-old not liking them as much as other high fantasy stories…they have a bit more male/female relationship stuff going on than LoTR–not too relate-able to pre-pubes. Then again, I read the Clan of the Cave Bear books when I was 12 or 13…I think my mom had forgotten about the caveman porn bits when she recommended them to me.

  • http://www.extremelydissatisfied.wordpress.com Adam R. Charpentier

    Oh, man. Caveman porn. That is exactly the one thing missing from my life.

  • Anonymous

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