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Marvel’s Kevin Feige Skirts Around Female Solo Film Idea

Considering he’s the President of Marvel Studios, you’d think Kevin Feige would have a handle on their upcoming projects, right? Well, Feige was asked about the prospects of a female solo film recently and his answer amounted to, “Uhh, umm, we have great female characters in our films already!” Oh, Mr. Feige, Natasha would like a word with you. interviewed Feige in advance of Thor: The Dark World, but we’re very happy they got right down to what we really want to know:

We asked Feige straight up whether Marvel will deliver fans a solo female superhero movie before DC. “Good question. I don’t know what they’re doing or what they’re planning,’ Feige said. “I know we have numerous exciting female heroes, whether none of them are currently slated, some of them are in development — frankly, you can look at what Jane Foster does in [Thor: The Dark World], look at Pepper Potts literally saving the day and defeating the bad guy in Iron Man 3, and I’d say we already have great female heroes that are showcased and play major roles in our universe now. Captain America: The Winter Soldier, as you will see, features Black Widow in her biggest role yet in any of our films. In terms of a solo standalone female hero, I’m not sure when that will be. We make two movies a year, we’ve planned through 2015 and we have some ideas of what we’re doing in 2016 and 2017, so we’ll see what happens.”

First of all: “I don’t know what they’re doing or what they’re planning,” is probably the most ridiculous thing a studio head can say. [Edit: It's been brought to my attention he might have been referring to Warner Bros. here. Either way, it would be nice to hear enthusiasm here.] It could be Marvel actually does have a female solo film planned but doesn’t want to let the news out just yet but either way, his answer makes me shake my head.

There was a vague rumor floating around over the weekend that Janet van Dyne (otherwise known as The Wasp) could appear in Marvel’s Ant-Man, but again, not a solo film. Yes, we’re thrilled you have some fantastic Marvel Comics women in your films right now but it would be even more fantastic were you to really put your support behind one and give them their own film. Natalie Portman recently hinted a female solo film might be coming soon and Katee Sackhoff tried dancing around a few comments about Captain Marvel not too long ago, but again, no confirmation.

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  • Adrian

    Wait, isn’t he saying ‘I don’t know what they’re doing or what they’re planning’ in regards to DC? That was how I read it.

  • athenia45

    You know, what upsets me most about comments like these is that clearly no one gives a crap about the lady heroes. Yeah, yeah, if they knew they’d make tons of money, they’d make it in a heartbeat, but it constantly surprises me that they have NO PROBLEM giving us D-list dude heroes, but they are just so *scared* about making an A-list lady hero movie.

  • Jamie Jeans

    Not GOOD, Marvel… we hear enough of the BS from DC Comics & the WB regarding a Wonder Woman movie, and now you’re pulling this BS?

    NO. Bad! Very bad!

    *whaps you with a news paper and rubs your nose in it*

  • Matt Brown

    I think the “I don’t know what they’re doing” refers to DC, not his own guys, no?

  • Jeyl

    If I may follow a your first off with a “second”.

    Yes, it’s great that we have cool female characters in these movies who can amount to something, but here’s the problem. These movies are NOT THEIR STORIES. Each character, whether it be Iron Man, Thor, Captain America or even Hulk, the point of the movie is to be about them. They go through change, they go through progress and they accomplish something that better suits them in the long run. Pepper Potts has always been the same character from the moment we saw her to the end of Iron Man 3. Nothing ever really changes with them. Pepper didn’t rush out to get the Iron Man suit, Tony literally willed it. She didn’t develop those super powers on her own. The bad guy forced it on her. I’m not trying to diminish what she did for the story, I’m just pointing out that she is there as a side character to the main character, Tony. Same goes for Black Widow who is literally nothing but eye candy in Iron Man II and someone who just wants to bring things back to the way they were in The Avengers with Hawkeye. Her wanting to clear her harsh past is only mentioned and never really dealt with.

    You can have all the great female characters you want in a story, but as long as it’s about the male character, they’ll never be regarded as characters who can carry their own story or develop beyond their initial introduction.

  • Jill Pantozzi

    Ah, you might be right on that. Forgive me, I’m sickly today and not at 100%

  • Anonymous

    That’s what I got out of it…

  • Anonymous

    “Yes, it’s great that we have cool female characters in these movies who
    can amount to something, but here’s the problem. These movies are NOT
    Quoted for emphasis. This also applies to ethnic minorities: sure, it’s great to see War Machine, but I think it’s (un)fair to say that it’s extremely unlikely we’ll see a War Machine solo movie. If Black Panther ever gets in on The Avengers, I’m pretty sure he’ll be introduced much in the way Black Widow was: as a supporting character in Someone Else’s Story. When it comes to minority superheroes, the only way it seems possible is in small-scale movies that aren’t “quite” superhero films (ie Blade) or when portrayed by a bankable superstar actor like Will Smith, because even though it’s 20-bloody-13, having a black/Asian/Native American main character is seen as “alienating” to the “mainstream” movie-going public.

    But hey, I could be wrong. I’d love to be wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong, for crying out loud!

  • Anonymous

    Much as I shy away from the “Disney Ruined Marvel” meme, I do have to think: since Disney pretty much cornered the market on traditionally girly stuff like the princesses, is it possible they view Marvel (and Star Wars) as their “boy division,” and so don’t want to make films/action figures with heroines because of some flawed gender politics reliant on the tiresome pink-blue divide? You’d think the success of Brave (and Mulan and so forth) would suggest that girls actually WOULD totally support action heroines, and the presence of Black Widow didn’t turn boys off The Avengers, but that’d be suggesting these numpties have, you know, sense.

  • JMH

    It’s okay. Nyquil makes foot-munchers of us all. (Metaphorically speaking.) :-) Hope you feel better soon!

  • Anonymous

    I’m going to hold out hope that he’s playing coy while something is in the works!

  • Jill Pantozzi

    Thank you. :)

  • Anonymous

    The ultimate hilarious thing being that there isn’t really all that much evidence for the assertion that “People won’t see a movie about non-white superheroes!”
    Can you name me any big budget superhero movies with minority protagonists? Hancock and the Blade movies come to mind. And that’s pretty much it. When there aren’t that many it’s wholly disingenuous to assert there isn’t an audience. How does anyone know there wouldn’t be an audience for Black Panther or Luke Cage or the Stewart Green Lantern when they won’t make their movies?

  • Miguel Hernandez

    Total BS. I would like to see a Captain Marvel (not Ms. Marvel, she’s earned the Captain Marvel mantle, let her have it) movie, or even a She-Hulk one. I think that would work far more than The Hulk and they can include some comedy elements like in her comic.

  • Laura Truxillo

    Well there was…That Which We Do Not Speak Of.

    The one with Shaq.

    You know…

    And I suppose That Other One Of Which We Do Not Speak would count.

    The one with Halle Berry.

    You know…

  • totz the plaid

    Female and/or minority heroes I’d love to see get their own films in Phases 3 & 4:

    - Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)

    - She-Hulk

    - Black Panther

    - Luke Cage (OR a “Heroes for Hire” movie also featuring Jessica Jones and Iron Fist)

    - The Runaways [based on the first arc]
    + Gert Yorkes – female
    + Nico Minoru – female/asian
    + Molly Hayes – female/child
    + Karolina Dean – female/LGBTQ
    + Alex Wilder – black [also the mole, but whatever]
    + Old Lace – dinosaur
    + Victor Mancha – robot/latino [I know he wasn't in the first arc, but I'd throw him in anyway, plus it could build off the 'Age of Ultron' film]
    + Chase Stein – the only white guy among them, and he’d better not be the focal point

    - Abigail Brand/S.W.O.R.D. [I know that they can't have Beast or Lockheed in because of FOX, but I'd still love to see her kick ass and take names]

    Characters that I’d love to see be brought in via Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and play major recurring roles that way:

    - Shang-Chi

    - Misty Knight & Colleen Wing [a.k.a. Daughters of the Dragon]

    I’d also love for them to have Jericho Drumm be the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s Sorcerer Supreme, even if Brother Voodoo/Doctor Voodoo is a really cheesy and potentially offensive name.

  • totz the plaid

    Bonus points if they have her break the 4th Wall!

  • Mina

    Exactly what I was thinking. I don’t understand how people can’t see the difference between a supporting female character who happens to be pretty cool and an actual female lead with a film focused on telling HER story.

  • Laura Truxillo

    Oh, I’m sure he understands the difference. But he’s not making any of the second kind right now, so oooh, lookit the keys!

  • Thomas Hayes

    Not good enough KevKev, not good enough. Booo.

    As long as Marvel and DC make no superheroine films, I’m not buying their male-led comics.

  • Jeyl

    At least STEEL gave us a decent looking “Oracle” like character.

  • Anonymous

    ARRGHH I had forgotten the fact that there was a Steel movie. Now you have reminded me. :(

  • Brady Darnell

    We can throw shade on Hollywood studios all we want, but the fact is that if we want a solo female superhero movie (and we do), we have to show them that history is not a good indicator. Elektra and Catwoman were not good movies, granted, but they did not perform well even in their opening weekends. (I would also point out that Man of Steel wasn’t the greatest thing ever itself, but it’s sold well enough to warrant a sequel.) In the comics world, She-Hulk and Wonder Woman are probably the best-selling female-led comic books historically, and they have always significantly underperformed compared to the male heroes’ books. (With the exception of Blade, this same argument could be applied historically to superheroes of color.)
    The Wonder Woman TV series lasted for four years, which is great, but that was also 35 years ago.
    I’m not entirely sure HOW we do it, but we have to figure out a way to tell Hollywood: “We WILL come see a Spider-Woman film, so go ahead and spend $80 million making one for us. We promise we’ll be there opening weekend,” and make them believe us.
    The problem is that Hollywood has something of a cause-and-effect comprehension issue. What we see is that what Catwoman, Elektra, and Supergirl (remember that one?) have in common is that they were terrible movies. What Hollywood sees is that they were female superhero movies.
    Again, I’m not saying that I know what the answer is, I’m just acknowledging what we’re up against.

  • Anonymous

    I, too, would love to see a solo Marvel female superhero movie. But what few solo female comic book/superhero movies that have been done, have been horrible and bad box office (Elektra and Catwoman come to mind). I’m glad there are strong female characters in Marvel movies (and that Agent Carter one-shot was great), but I think we are going to be waiting a while for a solo outing. They won’t do one until they feel they can get the same box office for a female lead superhero that they get for the male characters.

  • athenia45

    Considering how Disney is now “hiding” its princess movies behind general marketing (Brave, Frozen, Tangled), I’m not sure if princess movies even really exist anymore….

  • Ashe

    “They won’t do one until they feel they can get the same box office for a
    female lead superhero that they get for the male characters.”

    Considering how easily they ignore the box office successes of The Hunger Games, Brave and Resident Evil, alongside the failure of The Green Lantern, it’ll be a very long time indeed.

    They’re surrounded by facts to the contrary; they’re just ignoring them.

  • Adam Cross

    why would Wasp NOT be in the Ant-Man movie, that’s the real question.

  • Rob Payne

    Not to mention Gravity, in which for almost 90 total minutes audiences are focused squarely (and only) on one female character. Three weeks at number one at the domestic box office. Surely no one in North America will ever pay to see a Wonder Woman movie, right?

    Maybe it’s the international markets that are preventing studios from taking the leap over the gender gap? How well Black Widow: The Movie would play in China might be the real question.

  • Ashe

    “Gravity is a special case because…because, um…the special effects…and George Clooney’s borderline cameo. There. Send that out to print to keep the conservatives happy. Where’s my damn coffee?” -studio head, 2013

    And that is a good question. I think I’ll look into some female-led movies and see how they’ve fared in other countries.

  • TKS

    Yeah, with Feige it’s really hard to tell if it’s a “no” or a “I’ll never tell. Hmhmhmha. hahahahmhmhmhm.” a la “Loki in Avengers: How It Should Have Ended.”

    My hope is that the stinger of Captain America will have something about a female led hero movie.

  • Anonymous

    There was going to be a Black Widow movie before Iron Man but it was scrapped because Aeon Flux tanked: It sounded like they were going to ditch the outlandish elements that make the comics interesting while keeping the generic elements that you can find in any high-tech spy movie.
    Did anybody else feel like Salt was a stealth Black Widow movie, especially with the random fixation with poisonous spiders?

  • Anonymous

    There was also Spawn. Guess whether we speak of that one.

    Hint: The answer is NO.

  • Anonymous

    I’m reasonably certain Black Panther will happen. At some point.

    I do concede that Marvel do actually have a very long list of characters that haven’t had a blockbuster movie yet, and they are limited to doing 2 a year. This does not excuse prioritizing all the white male characters first, but until they invent time travel it IS a limitation.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t really think they’ve gotten to D-list yet. Maybe B-List at worst, but damn I can’t wait for the Doorman movie.

  • Todd Carney

    One of the things that bugs me about the Hollywood machine is that Huge Movies, like your average comic book super movie, are funded based on the character property and talent they can attach, before a script or even basic plot is considered. They make the deal and then hire a writer to make it so. Okay, sometimes that works. It would appear that superheroine solo projects are not their priority for whatever reason. So all I can think to do as a fan and a writer is start with a script. I know, crazy, right? Sell someone on a basic story instead of just a name or vague trailer of images. So far, I’ve been putting together what I would want in a Wonder Woman movie as well as a She Hulk movie. Since I lack the street cred to even throw such a script at anyone who could do anything with it (… except, wait a minute, I actually DO know someone now that I think about it… that’s how this town works, you know? But if that fails…), this year I’ve been writing scripts for original characters (female comic book superhero solo projects) just so I can show someone, “Wouldn’t this be awesome?!” (I have been dwelling on this since Joss Whedon walked away from WW in 2007!) Hey, and then if someone buys it from me, they can paste their Marvel or DC property right back over it, that would be fine… although it would probably mean much less money for me if they did. ;)

  • Rob Payne

    It may prove not to be a reason at all, I’m just curious what the numbers might look like and don’t feel compelled to research it myself. But the studios seem so beholden to the foreign market, it does raise the question: What else besides special country-specific scenes and a premium on explosions over translated dialogue does Hollywood think those markets want? If the lack of female-driven superhero movies (or, female-driven movies of any genre) are threatened by that, it’d be good to know.

  • Thomas Hayes

    Man of Steel had excellent trailers and it’s based on one of the oldest and most famous comic book IPs. Of course it did well in its opening weekend. I saw the trailer for Elektra (looked a bit dull) and it was a follow-up to the already not very good Daredevil, of course it didn’t open well. As for Catwoman, everyone took one look at the costume and the trailers and knew exactly what kind of mess that was going to be. Can you blame audiences for staying away?

    In fact a similar thing happened with Supergirl as well, they had no idea how to market it because the marketers knew the film was a turkey, and the studio sat on it for nearly a year before another distributor even bought the rights. I’d really like to go back in time and beat some sense into the Salkinds’ heads because you’d better believe I blame them for allowing this hoodoo to become a problem in the first place when they made that film.

    If there was a way of letting them know, I’d be all for it. But how are we supposed to show willingness for a thing that doesn’t exist? Set up a day of action to buy the Wonder Woman animated film?

  • Craig Forshaw

    Jane Foster is a terrible example, as nothing will eradicate the thundering stupidity of making her a physicist rather than a nurse in the first film.

    Reasons for her being a physicist: to provide a phony sci-fi answer for Thor’s existence so as not to annoy the Christians. Also, an attempt at making her a “strong female role model” (probably), rather than one of those weak nursey-type characters (having both worked at a hospital, and having numerous family members who are nurses, I find the insinuation a bit insulting).

    Reasons for her staying a nurse: she spends the film following around a man who had severe injuries, and clearly had mental problems, who escapes from a hospital, and with her not being a nurse trying to persuade him to return to the hospital, instead she has to follow him around because he’s cute. “You destroyed my research, but… muscles! Ooooh!”

    Pepper Potts – great! She works well. Peggy Carter – brilliant! Works really well. Jane Foster? Give me a break! Not interested.

    That said, I’d take a Peggy Carter series, if there is one up for grabs. Hailey Atwell is amazing. If you haven’t seen her in ‘Black Mirror’, I strongly recommend it! ‘Be Right Back’ was a genuine treat.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t really think how she got the powers is relevant at all, otherwise for every life Spider-Man saves you might as well credit the bloody spider.

    Marvel was smart letting Pepper get the moment of victory against a villain that literally objectified her. She stole the ending from the title character. I can’t remember another film that does that.

  • Pamela

    Didn’t he say at NYCC when asked about a Black Widow fronted movie that fans should watch Captain America: Winter Soldier? Ummm Feige, let’s sit down and have a little talk about what female-fronted movie actually means. It means the lady’s name is in the title. Not “Oh, we have some women in these movies and they’re really awesome!” with the undercurrent of “But we don’t want to scare off boys by making movies with lady names omg!”

    Shaking my head in disgust right now.

  • Trask

    I guess one of the things I like about Jane Foster being a physicist is the fact that she’s not in a caretaking role. She’s not there to fix Thor’s booboos, her career is there to say: “hey look, women can be scientists, too!” I don’t think I would have made this kind of statement before, but because they just announced the Marvel STEM program for girls, I’m much more willing to say that I like the fact that she is a scientist.

  • Mandy

    The crappy Disney marketing lately makes me weep feminist tears. They are all of a sudden all ‘what about the menz (boys)?! Of course they won’t come see this princess movie so let’s change all the marketing to include them and ignore the actual main character princess.’ UGH.

  • Mandy

    I’ve heard people theoriizing that the movie will focus on one of the more modern Ant-Man guys and only include Pym in like some 1950s-ish flashbacks.

    Which I think sucks because come on. I really want to see Janet & Hank on screen. You think Pym would be the go to choice since Ultron is happening too. (and if they go the obviously remembered route with Pym it’d be interesting to see Marvel some how address domestic violence on screen imo.)

  • Anonymous

    I think he’s afraid of confirming sth., the bean counters in the financial departmen would reject as a not too commercial idea, that’s what I’m thinking.

    I’m thinking that after a gazillion films with male superheroes Marvel shouldn’t wait too long for that one movie with female superhero as the lead characters. They’ve constantly showed that they had more courage and were more progressive than Warners who hardly does move one step forward for years.

    I think I don’t want too wait until 2018 for the superheroine movie. I think that movie should be the next on their list after they’ve finished the movies they’ve already in the production. So, after “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”, “Guardians of the Galaxy”, “The Avengers: Age of Ultron” and “Ant-Man”, this movie should be the next one to come, even before “Dr. Strange”, “Iron Fist” and “Black Panther”.

    I think this movie should be “Ms Marvel” with Katee Sackhoff in the title role. And I also think that Feige would bite himself in his b***s if Warners should come out with a solo “Wonder Woman” movie first.

    Hurry, Mr. Feige, hurry. My money isn’t waiting too long for you to make slow decisions! ;-)

  • Anonymous

    I see no reason why the title should hide the fact that this hero is a woman! No reason to be ashamed of being female. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be “Ms Marvel” than “Captain Marvel”.

  • Drawbak

    I absolutely consider Salt to be my Black Widow movie. And say so often. I just imagine an extra twenty minutes of her offing bad guys in a catsuit with weaponized venom darts, and Peabody/Fury recruits her for SHIELD at the end. Boom. Next, Iron Man 1 happens.

    Winter Soldier may retconfuse my head canon, though. And Salt is getting it’s own sequel, I’m told.

    Thank for that link! How did I never hear about Hayter’s project before?

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if the typical Hollywood studio exec thinks so far back. In my feeling they don’t remember things that are longer back than the beginning of the actual year.

  • J. Koby

    But isn’t the whole point of this to have a woman who’s strong in her own right? Spider-Man made his webshooters, what did Pepper do in the movie other than be a victim? This movie had a scientific pissing contest with two guys, and Pepper doesn’t contribute at all. Absolutely anyone else could have been in that role, and the same thing would have happened. It had nothing to do with her as a person, she was just a vehicle to save the day. If Aldrich Killian was really into a Labrador retriever, and gave it Extremis, and Tony saved the dog, and gave it power over the suits, the dog could have easily saved the day too. What did Pepper do at all?

  • Nick Gaston

    It’s fair enough, I suppose…NO ONE knows what the hell DC’s doing, these days. Including DC.

  • Nick Gaston

    Hey, Marvel…want to know how to do a Black Widow movie?

    Make a Bond movie. Replace the title character with Natasha, and plug in Marvel villains and henchmen as appropriate. They can even be 2nd-tier ones, so you can kill them off onscreen with a Bond-quip. (“He failed the Beta-particle test.”)

    ‘Be kind of nice to see a superspy movie where the title character isn’t written like a sullen, traumatized teenager. Y’know, just for a change.

  • Miguel Hernandez

    It’s not hiding anything . Carol Danvers is no longer Ms. Marvel, she IS Captain Marvel. She got that mantle and responsibility of being the new Captain Marvel, and thus should have her movie reflect that instead of showing her as Ms. Marvel, her previous persona that she has already surpassed. I feel by emphasizing it as Ms. Marvel, they’re instead focusing on the fact she is a woman, instead of just making it a movie that has a super powered being who is awesome and just happens to be a woman. Otherwise it’ll just billed as “that girl with super powers” movie or something similar, instead of being treated equally like the other heroes.

  • Anonymous

    Nurse Jane wasn’t about fixing Thor’s boo-boos either. She was his co-worker when he was stuck in the Dr. Donald Blake guise that they dropped for the movie. I don’t think making Jane an astrophysicist is automatically an upgrade because I can see how both careers have their merits if written well. They could’ve promoted her to Chief of Medicine to keep her comic profession but give her more authority & agency.

    What bothered me was that Jane being an astrophysicist was how inconsequential this change was to the movie. They pay lip service to Clark’s Law (this would’ve worked better thematically if they’d gone with Mandarin using alien tech rings that everyone assumes are magic in Iron Man 3), but Jane’s intelligence doesn’t factor into the audience’s understanding of how Asgardian science & technology works at all. She doesn’t figure out a way to open the Bifrost Bridge from Earth. SHIELD confiscating her wormhole research could’ve just as easily been her lab notes on Thor after he’s brought into her hospital as a crazy hobo. SHIELD doesn’t even put her in charge of the Tesseract in The Avengers. They could’ve made Jane a leader in any field without drastically affecting the film.

    Making Jane a scientist was a superficial way to legitimize Asgardians as sciencey by association instead of just saying “yeah, they’re magic, deal with it.” The movies still treat them as defacto magic (albeit toned down from the comics) so the pseudoexplanation is pointless. So instead of just introducing magic into the MCU at the earliest opportunity, Feige has an excuse to postpone a superheroine movie because “figuring out how to do magic in the movies with Dr. Strange is a more pressing concern to the shared universe overall.” Of course since the superheroines most suited for solo films aren’t magic-based anyway you’d think it’d be easy for them to try one out while they’re still working on Dr. Strange.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Umm…A black widow movie that isn’t written like a sullen traumatized teenager? ^^;
    Out of curiosity, what do you envision the tone to turn out like?

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    That theory is based on the fact that the original ant-man script features Land instead of Pym and has since been altered accordingly to include the original avenger.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Its important to keep in mind that

    Hunger games was marketed towards teenagers
    Brave was marketed towards children
    Resident evil was sold as a survival horror

    Looking at it from the perspective of superhero movie with a female character specifically and marketed to a general/older audience (because when pitching these things it is important to realize that they consider demographic and specific direction a factor) then they have supergirl, catwoman and electra which took the plunge and were considered failures in terms of box office numbers.

    This might be especially difficult Black Widow since frankly, in the comics she is even more dependant on team-ups and needs help supporting her own plots half the time, so in film they would practically have to reinvent their approach to her, especially since Marvel appears to be interested at the moment in films that can be spun into franchises.

    Further, given the character, there is a fair chance that they will end up covering a major part of her backstory in the upcoming captain america movie which could put a damper on a solo film out of her. For despite the fact that it could make for great exposure for Black Widow, if they use up her Russian background, it could limit what a future writer might be able to do with the character to give her that needed weight.

    They could try a short film though to test the water like they did with peggy carter. (it should be pointed out that they actually refer to those as one shot films)

    Though personally, I think they might be better off giving someone else their own film. Someone who could tap into a previously unexplored aspect of the Marvel Universe.

    Like Mantis who has all of the allure of Electra but with a moveset that allows her to go head to head with Thor and win. With a backstory that establishes her as some sort of alien god and a chosen one for a great destiny.

    Or Moondragon whose background is so intermingled with Thanos that she could practically act as an introduction to the nemesis.

    Or Hellcat whose own film could be marketed as a romcom of some sort or other.

    Theres alot to work with in the marvelverse

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    *pickets comment with ‘Monica Rambeau for Captain Marvel’ sign*

  • Ashe

    The reason I sort of lumped them in together is because they are rather similar to the superhero formula. Each movie has a titular character with a significant ability (or two), a great amount of responsibility on their shoulders to save the world (though it usually starts out with saving a particular person or people), and the movies tend toward a mixture of action, drama and fantastic elements.

    Basically, considering the financial success of those movies, it’s not too big a leap to consider success for a female superhero flick. They’re similar enough you could argue the transition will be short and sweet.

    I can’t say I know too much about Black Widow, but I do agree that there is a LOT of untapped potential in the Marvelverse.

  • totz the plaid

    Maybe they could use her as Photon or Pulsar…

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    While it is true that they are similar, that is more because of the plain fact that a hero movie is little different from a superhero movie. However, you would need to convince executives that this is true. Especially since DC and Warner went to the trouble of joint copyrighting the term superhero, established themselves as the sole owners of the concept and go out of their way to emphasize that it is unique from other things (and come down hard on anyone who uses the word)

    So in the end it is not a question of whether or not an action movie with a female protagonist can work (because it has. repeatedly.) Or whether a female superhero can kick butt (which has also been shown) But whether a female superhero can be engaging enough to warrant what they percieve as risk. Because strong female protagonists who succeeded is not an issue for executives. It is what makes superhero movies successful or not which they are still trying to figure out even at this point.

    Marvel tried one superhero flick with a female lead
    DC tried several.

    All of which resulted in poor results.
    Never mind that the story tended to be poor with several other factors that weighed it down. The story is not considered a factor for the people funding it, they are looking at the individual pieces in more questionable terms regarding actors, genre and target demographic, rather than the movies own merits or lack thereof.

    In all honesty though, I can totally see DC making the plunge before Marvel does. Whether it will actually be good or not is another matter altogether, but between Birds of Prey, the catwoman film, thee wonder woman animated film….DC has shown an active interest in trying to make superhero material that the female demographic would be interested in.

    Not that Marvel is not willing to take risks because they totally are. However, unlike DC, Marvel has been emphasizing franchises and they really really want to make films that can get sequels and continue long running stories, which translates to alot less risk taking in terms of what franchises to play with.

    As for a crib note history on Black Widow…
    Started out as an iron man villian who teamed up with a turned evil hawkeye to troll stark, she was a russian spy who did it all for mother russia and eventually she defected to join america.

    Joined the avengers shortly after turning good and sticks with them for a while before joining shield.

    Then the writers started confusing her for Electra for the longest time and had her crushing on daredevil and having run ins with ninja assasins.

    Lead a couple superhero teams and Shield at one point.

    had her own miniseries where she revisits russia and takes on some of her old allies and another where black widow’s (shes one of a set) are being hunted down and killed.

    She has never had her own comic series, having only a dozen of her own issues in mini-series and specials form. Virtually all of her villians are either borrowed from other heroes rogue galleries or are russian based and is generally a secondary character in either the avengers or in daredevil.
    Honestly, her saving grace is that she is a genuinely kickass character who balances out the team some and adds some nice diversity. Despite that however, she is not well suited for a central protagonist role in an ongoing franchise.

    Hmm…Come to think of it, nearly all of Marvels female characters are a part of teams and don’t get much personal attention…

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see that. If it is alright for male heroes (Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Iron Man) how can it be wrong for a female hero to do the same thing? Why can’t she keep the name under which she has been known for 35 (!) years, while she is Captain since when? Last year?

    Also under the aspect of brand name recognition and even name confusion it would not be very wise to title the movie “Captain Marvel”, as there may be quite some folks who may confuse the name with the old DC character. Not to speak of the fact that Marvel may actually not have the rights to that name as it is already DC’s property.

    I say: Let the lady be a lady!

  • Anonymous

    Love the Hellcat idea since I was reading Kathryn Immonen’s comic! Actually, I could see that as a great fun movie / action comedy!

  • Anonymous

    She made the choice to kill. That was her. That isn’t something everyone else would have done. That isn’t something Spiderman, Batman or actually many heroes would have done. But Pepper did, partly because Killian was an enemy personal to her.

    So no, it wouldn’t have happened that way if anyone else had been in the role.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    It would be an awesome lead up to the Thanos confrontation~!

  • Laura Truxillo

    I thought that one didn’t do too terribly. Like, still not good, but I actually remember kids in school talking about it like it was the coolest thing after it came out, whereas I didn’t even know that Steel was a thing until Nostalgia Critic did a review of it (which I spent most of crying quietly).

  • Raerae

    What? Since when is calling someone captain being ashamed of being female? I guess I should tell my ex-military friend that.

  • athenia45

    I went to the movies this past weekend and the Frozen poster had all the humans characters buried in snow except for the cartoony snow man character. I was all, “Seriously, guys?” *facepalm*

  • athenia45

    Which list is Ant-Man on? Is he really B-list? I feel like B-list is still characters I’ve at least heard of before (for a casual person like myself).

  • Anonymous

    If there is a solo female marvel movie, PLEASE let it be Shadowcat. PLEASE. PRETTY PLEASE.

  • Anonymous

    My favourite moment in SPawn is when you see Angela walk by for all of 3 seconds :3

  • Anonymous

    If you say Captain MArvel I think of Mar-Vell, but it HAS been a while since I dived into that fandom :/

  • Miguel Hernandez

    But she still IS a lady. Calling her Captain Marvel doesn’t take that way. It’s a role she’s earned and should keep it. As for legal rights, they more than likely have it as there are quite a few Captain Marvels, or at least had been, besides DC’s and Marvel’s. And the thing about the old DC character, most people thought his name was Shazam, which is why they changed it. Look at it like this. Say they do make a Ms. Marvel movie, and it does well, well enough that people want the comic…but where do they find it? There is no Ms. Marvel comic. There is going to be a NEW Ms. Marvel according to Marvel solicits. So now we just create confusion with people who might be interested in the character. And those who know of the old DC character, would probably be knowledgeable to know the difference. It’s unlikely the average movie goer would know who any of them are.

    She can be a lady while still keeping the mantle she DESERVES. Don’t make her take a step back for convenience. And if we want to look at some of the modern Marvel movie heroes: Thor, Captain America, The Hulk, Hawkeye, those names could be gender neutral (except maybe Thor if you know your mythology).

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know for certain. My perspective might be different because I used to read Avengers Academy (with Hank Pym Ant-Man) and now FF (with Scott Lang Ant-Man). Since I’ve never read an actual Ant-Man comic, and yet there are multiple series in which he still appears, I’d have said he was B-list.

    But I could just be unusual.

  • TokenOfficeGoth

    Especially bad because we know who the obsessive fans of these films are…hint: they aren’t men ages 18-35…they’re WOMEN. Women are the ones who blog and post gifs and write fanfiction–why do Marvel and DC and other major producers not put two and two together here?

  • Nick Gaston

    Sorry, that was a reboot Bond crack, not a BW crack.

    Anyway…”You Only Live Twice,” but with the Beyond Corporation™? “The Spy who Loved Me” with HYDRA? “Live and Let Die” with Marie Leveau? ;)

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Ouch…thats a sharp jab there

    What an unusual combination XD thank you very much

  • Daniel E. Jacobs

    but here is my honest questions, and I am sitting here RACKING my braining, does Marvel have “Wonder Woman”. everyone knows Wonder Woman and she bring in general non-comic fans, but I honestly am trying to think of anyone Marvel may have that has that kind of “Name”. Don’t get me wrong they have strong Female but all of them are somehow connected with one “group” or another… but I just went through Marvels books and there isn’t a single female title that Marvel puts out. DC does have a bit of market, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman, and if you wanted a team, you have the birds of Prey. I am not saying there aren’t Marvel characters that can’t carry a movie… there are a lot of wonderful stories lines. I just trying to think of a) who would it be, b) how many people outside of the geek world would know about the character and c) are their story or at least their first story tied AT all to any teams. I was a fan of X-23 but her story is part of the X-Men maybe Dazzler but she part of Shield now… and would she sell? I want Marvel and DC to make female lead movies. DC has 6 they can really do… I just trying to think of a Marvel that could match those names. Can anyone help that first question?

  • Brady Darnell

    Pretty sure that was my point. You know and I know that Elektra and Catwoman performed poorly because they were poorly made, but Hollywood studios tend to be a little more thick about the actual correlation, and that’s what we’re up against when it comes to getting a female superhero movie made.
    And then there’s Haywire, which, while not exactly a female superhero film, is certainly an opportunity to show Hollywood what a female-led action film can be. It cost $25M and has made less than $20M in the U.S. and a little over the $30M worldwide. While the latter number indicates a profit, it’s less than Hollywood would like. I would argue that Haywire suffered from marketing problems, but, again, getting Hollywood to see that is the problem.

  • Ricardo Aguilera

    People have to remember that movie studios are not public charities that exist to satisfy the needs of special interest groups.Their bottom line is turning in a profit until they have exhausted every creative well they can drain. When it comes to female super heroes, the unfortunate truth is that they don’t sell as well as their male counter parts. In the comics industry, female lead books rarely break the top 10 on diamond sales charts and in the last year alone, journey into mystery,red she hulk, and the fearless defenders…both all female books with 1 being written by a woman were cancelled due to poor sales. Captain marvel is also trailing behind terribly in sales and is dangerously close to cancelation…even the most iconic female super hero characters like wonder woman and catwoman struggle to consistently secure top 20 spots on overall comic sales. The only recent comic featuring a all female team that has been doing good has been X-men…but that arguably has more to do with the brand and constant overlap with other popular x-men characters.

    I think that before we talk about 100 million$ adaptations we need to establish that these female heroes are worth the investment.