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Game of Thrones Recap: Kissed By Fire

This episode wasn’t quite so good as last week’s, but really, that was to be expected. Last week was amazing. This week was amazing-lite.

The episode was intense from the get-go, with Sandor Clegane engaging in a trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion to determine his guilt in the matter of Mycah’s death. If Sandor gets killed that means the Lord of Light judged him to be guilty. If he’s able to kill Beric instead, the Lord of Light must not have such a problem with riding down unarmed stable boys.

It’s a pretty awesome battle, though I would say to the Brotherhood Without Banners that having a swordfight in an enclosed space with a bunch of people standing around and tons of wooden things that could easily be lit on fire by Beric’s flaming sword isn’t the smartest, practically speaking. But anyway. Even traumatized by fire Sandor manages to kill Beric, which means the Brotherhood has to set him free. Arya’s not too pleased by this, understandably, and she leaps at the Hound with a knife. Beric doesn’t seem to mind being killed too much, though, as the red priest Thoros of Myr prays to the Lord of Light and brings him back to life. Creepy.

Above the Wall Tormund Giantsbane is grilling Jon about the Night’s Watch’s defenses: How many Brothers are in the patrol groups, how many castles are defended and by how many men, that sort of thing. Jon tells Tormund Castle Black is guarded by a thousand men, which, correct me if I’m wrong, is a crock of direwolf dung. Tormund say to Jon that he likes him, but if he’s lying he’ll pull his guts out. No pressure or anything.

Then Ygritte taunts Jon a bit (her modus operandi) and steals his sword (not a euphemism). He chases her to a cave, she takes her clothes off, and, well, congrats on the sex, Jon Snow. To paraphrase Ygritte, you’re no longer a maid now. Ygritte wasn’t, though—she starts to tell him about all the people she’s gotten down and dirty with, to which he responds: Yeah, I don’t need to know that. Oh, you.

After a few minutes of soft focus bow-chicka-bow-wow it’s back to Sandor, who’s being let go by the Brotherhood. And then we’re on to Harrenhal, where Locke delivers Jaime and Brienne to Roose Bolton, one of Robb’s bannermen. I love Roose in this scene. By which I mean to say I hate him, he’s freaking awful, but I love how the writers established that. At first he seems (relatively) nice and sensible, ordering Locke to cut Brienne free and apologizing for her ill treatment. Then he—there’s no other word for it—trolls Jaime about the Battle of Blackwater. “Oh, you didn’t hear there was this giant battle? Stannis’ forces attacked King’s Landing, it was looking really bad for a while, and your sister is d…[Jaime looks like he's about to pass out]…oing quite well, actually.” Roose Bolton, you sick, sick man.

Speaking of sick, sick men—Jaime’s taken to see Qyburn, an ex-Maester who was expelled from his order for doing unspecified controversial experiments, which isn’t disconcerting at all, nosiree. He does some medieval-style operating on Jaime’s stump, during which Jaime refuses the Westerosi version of anesthesia. *wince*

Meanwhile, back in King’s Landing Cersei and Tyrion both have Very Important Meetings. Cersei’s is with Littlefinger, whom she asks to keep an eye on those tricksy Tyrells. And Tyrion’s is with the very tricksiest of the Tyrells, Olenna, who’s planned a hugely extravagant wedding between Joffrey and Margaery that the crown can’t afford.

This scene was brilliant. Olenna walks all over Tyrion, chiding him for being boring and educating him on how the people need the distraction the royal wedding will provide, but fine, if he’s going to be obnoxious about it they’ll pay for half, even though the Tyrells have already given you guys *rattles off long list of troops and supplies like it ain’t no thing*. By the time Olenna leaves Tyrion looks utterly shellshocked. Can’t blame him.

I want Olenna to swoop around Littlefinger-style, schooling people she technically shouldn’t have any interaction with on how they’re screwing things up. “Robb, you’re being a moron about your bannermen and you’re going to lose this war for yourself. OLENNA OUT.” “Stannis, let Davos out of jail, you big fool. OLENNA OUT.” “Jorah, Dany doesn’t like you like that. Stop making it weird. OLENNA OUT.”

Following that scene of sheer comedic wonderment things get emotional again as Gendry tells Arya he plans to stay with the Brotherhood. He doesn’t want to serve anyone anymore, he explains, not even Robb. He wants to have a family. When Arya responds that she could be his family, Gendry says that no, if he served Robb, “You wouldn’t be my family. You’d be m’lady.” Later on in the episode Thoros tells Arya they’ll take her to Robb in exchange for a “contribution” (ransom, but bah, semantics) and explains that the Lord of Light has brought Beric back from death six times. Arya asks if he might be able to bring her father back, even in his headless state. As it turns out the headless thing is sort of a dealbraker, though I imagine the long-dead and head-covered-in-tar things aren’t helping much.

These Arya scenes, I just… I just have something in my eye. Go on without me, I’ll be fine.

Speaking of Robb, things aren’t going so well for him—Rickard Karstark (the bannerman who was super-upset at Catelyn letting Jaime go, because Jaime killed his sons) takes it upon himself to exact vengeance by killing Robb’s Lannister hostages, both of whom are just young boys. He then proceeds to sass Robb about it, predicting the king will scold him before setting him free, because that’s what he does with traitors. Yeah, Karstark, when he mom was a traitor he did that. I don’t think you’ll get away so easily.

And he doesn’t. Robb disregards the suggestion of his mom, wife, and uncle to keep Karstark captive and beheads him for treason instead, losing himself all of Karstark’s forces as a result. But hey, Karstark committed treason and killed two young boys—it’s the honorable thing to kill him. Because honor worked out so well for your dad, Robb.

Then it’s time for me to cheer to my computer because Stannis is back, yaaaaay! We meet his wife Selyse, who’s super-devoted to the Lord of Light and is a little bit (OK, a lot) creepy about it. Stannis trying to confess his extramarital sexytimes to her only to be met with “I know. Melisandre told me everything. I wept with joy when I heard. Here, let me show you my fetuses in jars! [A/N: OH GOD WHAT]” might be my favorite thing this episode. It’s so awkward. I love it.

Next stop on Stannis’ family reunion tour is his daughter Shireen, who’s upbeat, friendly, and cursed with an unfortunate skin condition known as greyscale. Her mother’s not her biggest fan—she entreats Stannis not to visit her, calling her a “distraction”—but Stannis seems to love her for all that he hasn’t seen her in a long time despite the fact that they live in the same castle. Also, her room appears to be a cell. Not cool, Stannis.

Shireen asks about her BFF Davos (awwwwwww), whom Stannis is forced to admit has been locked up for treason. He suggests she forget him and leaves in a cloud of awkwardness.

This may be my bias toward Stannis talking, but I loved this scene. He wasn’t cold and emotionless—you can tell he loves his daughter, he just doesn’t know how to express it or be a good father. At all. I’m imagining Ned Stark looking down on him from the Old Religion version of heaven and shaking his head in disappointment.

Later Shireen ignores her father’s advice to avoid Davos and visits him in the dungeon, bringing him a book that Davos admits he can’t read. So Shireen says, no problem, I’ll teach you! How Stannis and Selyse managed to have such a nice kid I will never understand.

Then it’s from one of my favorite characters to two others. Brienne is having a bath, and Jaime jumps in the same tub as her despite the fact that there’s another one right beside it and being in close proximity with your naked self is clearly making Brienne uncomfortable, Jaime you ass. Ahem. Jaime then proceeds initiate some banter, but he takes it too far when he implies Brienne’s lackluster guarding skills (excuse you) got Renly killed. She then leaps to her feet, nudeness and all, and stares Jaime down with what I can only assume was a Glare of Death. Attagirl. And it works. He apologizes, asks for a truce between them, and says he trusts her.

And then comes the scene that I shall refer to as the “give Nikolaj Coster-Waldau his Emmy” scene. People always judge him for being a “Kingslayer,” Jaime says, but the king he slew—Aerys Targaryen—was certifiably nuts, paranoid and obsessed with burning people alive. During Robert’s rebellion Tywin Lannister and his army showed up ostensibly to protect Aerys, but Jaime knew full well his father planned to double-cross him. Aerys didn’t listen to his warning, opening the city’s gates to Tywin. Jaime urged Aerys to surrender, but the King instead ordered him to kill his father. After that the plan was to light the whole city on fire. Would you have stood by, Jaime asks Brienne, if Renly had ordered you to kill your own father and stand by to witness the death of thousands? He never told people what really happened because they’d already made up his mind about him being an oathbreaker. After that powerhouse monologue, which Jaime closes by asking Brienne to call him Jaime, not Kingslayer, he swoons into her arms passes out. Slow clap for Coster-Waldau, everyone.

Meanwhile Jorah and Ser Barristan are having a pissing contest over who Daenerys’ number one supporter is. Jorah’s all “But you’ve only been here a few days, I supported her before she was famous!,” and then Barristan’s like “Your reputation in Westeros is awful, people there won’t want to help her if you’re around, ew.” I wanted Dany to walk up and slap them both upside their heads, but he was off with the Unsullied, talking to their newly elected leader and telling them they can choose their own names now and doing other inspiring, Queenly things. I guess her putting Jorah and Barristan in their place will have to wait. Sigh.

Robb’s in a tight spot now that the Karstark forces abandoned him. His bannermen are fighting each other more than the Lannisters; they need a new common cause. Talisa suggests that Robb go back to the North and wait out the (long) winter, which would basically mean the end of the war for him, as there’s no way he can ask his bannermen to take a break for a few years and then come back. Then, a brainstorm! With Lannister forces concentrated elsewhere, he can attack their home at Casterly Rock. He’ll just need some more soldiers, but he knows exactly where to get them: Walder Frey.

The episode ends with a shake-up for the major players in King’s Landing. The political intrigue goes down thusly: Loras sleeps with a squire, to whom he tells Margaery’s plan to marry him to Sansa. Littlefingr finds out about it, since the squire was on his payroll. He tells Sansa he can take her with him away from King’s Landing, and she has to make a decision: Get out of the city with (an extra-creepy this episode) Littlefinger while she has the chance? Or stay a little longer, betting that Margaery will deliver on the marriage to Loras and subsequent escape to Highgarden? Sansa opts for the latter, telling Littlefinger she doesn’t want to jeopardize both their safety by escaping with him. I like this scene a lot: You can tell that Sansa’s learning from those around her how to play the game. She’s testing the waters of her political acumen, and I love it.

Littlefinger told Cersei about the planned Sansa-Loras marriage, and Cersei tells Tywin, who in turn tells Tyrion he has to marry Sansa. To Tyrion’s credit, he’s horrified not just because he doesn’t want to marry Sansa, but because it’s really a horrible thing for Tywin to do to a girl who’s already been through so much. Deal with it, Tywin says. You’re marrying Sansa. She’s the heir to the North, and the Tyrells can’t have her. Cersei’s mid-gloat when Tywin pulls a but wait, there’s more! on her: To Cersei’s horror, she’ll have to marry Loras Tyrell. Isn’t one arranged marriage to someone she doesn’t love enough for one lifetime?!

Miscellaneous bits:

  • I’m curious about what other book readers thought of the cave scene. I thought it was a little out of place and cheesy romance novel-y compared to the rest of the episode… but then, I always felt that about the scene in the book, too.
  • How they’re handling Roose Bolton, making him humorless but also sadistic, fits wonderfully with how he is in the books.
  • We saw five different people nude this episode, right? Ygritte, Jon (maybe that should only count as half, because he was mainly covered), Jaime, Brienne, and the Squire? If you disregard instances of prostitues who don’t really have anything to do with the plot being nude, I’m pretty sure that’s a record.

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  • Aeryl

    Yeah, there was no way to follow up last week, it was necessary that this one slowed things way down. And it still worked, leaving the most jaw dropping scene for last. It was almost enough to make me feel sorry for Cersei. Someone elsewhere pointed out that Cersei just got the same lesson Jaime got, over relying on her father’s power. While she was queen, she never worked to establish her own SEPARATE power base, she just wielded Lannister power. And she’s now paying the price for that.

    Lady Olenna was masterful again, that scene with Tyrion, WOW!! As a book reader, I felt a lot of what we see later, was all right there. Show watchers, after season four, come back and watch the scene again, you’ll pull a Homer(d’oh!).

    Shireen was awesome, Selyse disturbing. More disturbing than Lysa, at least to me. This disturbing trend for ladies with “y” in their name to be crazy is not boding well for Arya. Who knows what they’ll do to Yarasha with the name change.

  • Kate

    NGL I thought this was better than last week’s. Dragons are cool and everything, but the character moments really make this show sing. The last scene was amazing for its intensity with just how little was said. And anytime [spoilers] Stark opens their mouth, I’m going to be screaming at the TV. The next few weeks are going to be like watching a football match orchestrated by Benny HIll. It hurts so good.

  • Kenneth C Pennington

    First, of all, I’m glad they’ve finally brought us up-to-date on Stannis’ family situation. But, PLEASE tell me they’re not leaving Patchface out of the show!

    On the cave scene, my first thought was: “I know it’s hard living up there beyond the wall, but by the Old Gods, someone give that poor young lady a sandwich, or something!”

  • Alli

    What about Yara? She’s quite sane.

  • Hannah Wilson

    Ever single conversations Stannis has ever been in could end with this – “and [he] leaves in a cloud of awkwardness.”

  • Veronica

    I actually said out loud, “eat a sandwich!” But then I felt bad, because maybe she’s just that skinny.

  • Katy

    I also felt that the cave scene was out of place and even seemed rushed. As I recall, in the books there was a little more build up to the cave scene, but I could be wrong. It’s been awhile since I’ve read the book. It was nice to see Jon Snow smile. I have to say the hardest part of this season is watching Robb’s scenes because I know where his path is headed and I just want to yell at the tv and talk some sense into the character.

  • Anonymous

    Tyrion’s “wh…What?” moment re: marrying Sansa was perfect, I loved that scene. Really defined him as a decent guy in no uncertain terms. And, even though I happily detest Cersei, her “No, don’t do this to me again” panic over being foisted off on yet another guy for politics made me feel for her.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    True. God, I love ‘im.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    Does that mean Jeyne/Talisa got de-crazied?

  • Anonymous

    I loved the cave scene; it’s not quite as good as in the book (where Jon and Ygritte already have a relationship so it has a little more meaning to it), where it’s one of my favourite scenes, but it’s still good.

  • John Wao

    I’m surprised they didn’t put the scene with the BWB at end of the episode. They would have had two back to back eps with amazing finishes.

    I think the reason for the Jon and Ygritte scene feeling so out of place is because there isn’t the build up to it like in the novel.

    Am I the only one who cheered when Tywin told Cersei she too had to marry, thus wiping that smirk off her face?

  • ampersands

    No single person, especially the POV characters, in ASOIAF are either all good or all evil. Jaime is both the man who paralyzed Bran as well as the man who saved all of King’s Landing from being burnt alive. One of the hallmarks of the series is that you can never reduce a person to a single action of good or evil, and that’s very obviously a sign of good writing.

    Jaime is a magnificent creation, in that we understand why he does what he does, but we can still pass judgment on his actions. His love for Cersei is both absolutely real and true, as well as a huge corrupting influence on his life. I think Martin asks us to pity him for this love, even as we see how this love leads him to do horrible actions. At the same time, Jaime’s POV in ASOS really invites us to see that past all his posturing, he recognizes in Brienne a kind of negative version of himself, and one that he subconsciously wants to be (even though he doesn’t admit that to himself). Hence his whole arc in AFFC.

  • Katie Miller

    My emotions have never really been stirred by GOT beyond level of ‘woohoo, that was badass’ or ‘aw it’s a shame that character died, I liked him/her’. Which id fine, I don’t go to GOT for engaging emotions.

    But I find myself shipping Jaime and Brienne hard. GOT doesn’t really reward positive emotional reactions to things so I’m fully expecting things to go very badly. But I’m enjoying their closeness while it lasts.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    “GOT doesn’t really reward positive emotional reactions to things”

    Truer words were never spoken. I can’t really ship anything in GoT, because I don’t want to wish anyone on anyone else. Everything’s so awful all the time! I want my ships to have a POTENTIAL for happiness!

  • Leftcoastgal

    Amazing-lite? I couldn’t disagree more. The scene with Brienne & Jaime in the bath was so well played, and a huge development in our understanding of the Kingslayer character, there is no “lite” about it. That was just ONE of several scenes that were outstanding. IMO this is one review I can skip go forward.

  • feanna fey

    I could be wrong, but I think the Ex-Measter says something about experiments with mold? Therefore referencing Penicillin. Not that it’s terribly relevant.

  • Aeryl

    In the books, she’s Asha, so sane. In the show, with the “Y”, who knows! ;^D

  • Noga Gordon

    Love your recaps. As for the cave scene- I agree. I’ve never been much of a Jon/Ygritte fan, but even if I were, that scene felt very sudden, and didn’t really make me feel anything. I’m also not a fan (to say the least) of Kit Harrington’s acting skills, but that’s another story.

  • Aeryl

    My guess is that those were body doubles in the bathing scenes where we see butt.

    You have to remember too, as terrible as what Jaime did to Bran was, in Jaime’s perspective, he was protecting HIS family. His children with Cersei would have been murdered if Bran had told his family about what he’d seen. So, yeah, gray area. I don’t think that EXCUSES Jaime, but it does help to explain that he’s not a completely heartless asshole. He cares about things, Bran was just not among them.

  • Anonymous

    This was a great character episode. The first half seemed a little awkward and rushed at times as the editing struggled to keep up with the story (5-8 minute scenes interspersed with 10-20 second scenes). Nikolaj Coster-Waldau has been doing excellent work as Jaime all year and his bath scene was acting at its finest; that’s how you deliver a tortured monologue. And every single scene with Tyrion, Tywin, and Cersei has been off the charts good. I don’t generally like to throw around demands for Emmy noms every time someone does a great scene, but Dinklage, Headey, Dance, and Coster-Waldau have been knocking it out of the park this season. EMMY NOMS ALL AROUND!!!

  • AnnaB

    I cheered. That’s all I can think of in that scene. I didn’t feel too sorry for Sansa, to be honest, mostly because I consider Tyrion to be awesome. She lucked out being engaged to him–I mean, as far as having no choice whom to marry is concerned. So yeah, I giggled when Tywin told Cersei that she wasn’t getting off easy, either.

  • Kate

    Yeah, I agree the highlight of ASOIAF are that no character is good or evil, but in this case I was always wary about how it was in character instead of just ‘Jaime needs a good guy moment’. I’m sure TV Tropes has a name for it, but I’ll get lost for six hours if I start reading. lol

  • Kate

    That’s a really good point that it comes down to Jaime looking after his own before looking after others. Lannisters and Malfoys have a lot to catch up on. Hehe.

  • Laszlo

    No, he said his experiments were too bold.

  • Aeryl

    I have this whole “thing” with Jaime, and I fanwank about him A LOT! But one of my major thoughts about him, is that for the most part, Jaime doesn’t know himself. He’s only ever been allowed to be himself around Tyrion and Cersei. The rest of the time, he is pretending to be the Jaime Lannister that everyone expects him to be. Which is why he took on the Kingslayer role so thoroughly, because it was the person that everyone believed him to be.

    It’s only NOW, that he’s lost his sense of self with the loss of his swordhand, that he’s learning who he really is. And he’s discovering that the person he really is, or wants to be, is a person a lot like Brienne.

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  • Anonymous

    In an earlier episode Melisandre ominously reminded Stannis that there are others who share his blood, but in this episode we only met one of the people who shares his blood: Shireen. I wonder if, in the interest in not having excessive numbers of characters, Shireen will be the only blood-sharer.

    Shireen was adorable wasn’t she?

  • Laszlo

    Some earlier trailers show Melisandre meeting the Brotherhood Without Banners, so I think she meant Gendry with that remark and she left to find him.

  • ampersands

    Well, Aeryl did a better job explaining why he’s definitely in character than I would, so I won’t try. That said, I think that chapter in ASOS is supposed to be revelatory–meaning that we’re supposed to reinterpret everything that he’s done before now with this knowledge, rather than attempting to fit this story in with the actions that we’ve seen him do. It’s a bit of reverse characterization, which I really like, since it’s far more like how you get to know a person in the real world than regular narrative development. Also, I don’t think this is a “good guy moment” exactly; his killing Aerys isn’t as heroic as it is desperate, and his account of it shades in the account of Aerys’ death that we’d only heard of from Ned’s POV.

  • Anonymous

    Eep! Not Gendry! that would be interesting though.

  • AnnaB

    In hindsight, “Too mold” would’ve been an odd thing to say.

  • Sean Curley

    You think Sansa’s lucky to be forcibly married to one of the people working to destroy her family (which is what Tyrion is doing, however nice he is about it)?

  • Rebecca Pahle

    Thanks! Yeah, it was kind of rushed and abrupt, especially considering all the awful stuff that bookends it. (Though that would have to be the case in any episode, honestly. Not much happiness in GoT.)

  • Austin Wildcatter

    I have to say, I was extremely happy with the way Brienne’s nudity was handled – we the viewers didn’t get a full frontal like we do with practically every other female, and I think that’s a win. On the downside, Ygritte’s full frontal was the utter opposite. All around, just like in the novel, Jaime/Brienne makes more sense and is handled better than Jon/Ygritte (though to be fair, Jon/Ygritte can only feel like a rebellious teenage tryst, since that’s essentially what it is).

    Selyse gets the creepy award this week. Those jars with her dead sons?! CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY. CREEPY. And I’m about 99% sure that if Shireen’s in a cell, that’s on Selyse and not Stannis, who appears to want to love his daughter in part because his wife does not. Selyse could outcreep LIttlefinger and Lysa Arryn any day of the week.

    Tywin schooling his kids = brilliant. I feel really bad for Tyrion and moderately bad for Cersei, but Tywin’s iron fist is still awesome to behold.

    Jorah and Barristan = LOL. “I loved, uh, I mean, protected Daenarys while you were still wiping Robert’s boots.” “Yeah, well, you’re a slaver with a bad rep and no experience in Westeros.” Boys, boys.

  • AnnaB

    OMG, really? Really?!?

    Fine. No, I don’t think anyone should be forcibly married to anyone, no matter how nice all parties are about it.


  • Anonymous

    I think the one thing that bothered me the most was the way Loras’ character was handled. In the book he’s still quite openly grieving over the death of Renly at this point. Show!Loras seems to have gotten over it all rather quickly (not to mention being so loose tongued its shocking). They’ve scratched that major character point in order to make way for exposition. Which I thought it was a shame. Then again it looked like they needed to fill an arse quota in that episode. Game of Booties.

  • LizbethAnne

    I was having the same feelings about Jon and Ygritte during that cave scene–I kept smacking my friend’s arm and going “oh god do they die? is someone coming for them?” the whole time. Because even though I haven’t read the books, I know enough to know that no one will ever be happy.

  • LizbethAnne

    I could not handle Selyse’s jars. Between the initial “OMG ALIENS” reaction and my second “wait, does Westeros have formaldehyde?” thought, it was a very strange scene. I’m afraid to google it at the moment (haven’t read the books, don’t want to get too many spoilers), but does she really do that in the books?

    I thought Renly spilling the beans to his random squire made no sense–isn’t that whole family supposed to be really good at politics? It’s one thing to make poor decisions about who to have sex with, it’s another to tell a one-night-stand about your family’s plan to get the North.

  • Wong Chia Chi

    I know but that’s why spies are so effective. People talk when their in bed. It’s actual the most common way to get information, in espianoge

  • Anonymous

    Funny, I actually thought this was the best episode of the season, possibly even the show. Shireen is the most adorable character ever! I kept thinking, during the episode, “Stannnis, just set Selyse aside and marry Davos so the three of you can win the award for most lovely westerosi family”! Guess it didn’t work…

    The cave scene… Well, as I don’t really liked Ygritte with Jon, I just read it as quickly as possible to be done with it, so I can’t say if it worked in the book, but on the show it just seems like Jon was excessively eager to break his vows, instead oh hesitating and such.

    But the bath scene was even better than I expected. And I expected A LOT!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think they were body doubles. European actors tend to be okay with nakedness on film.

  • LizbethAnne

    Objectively, I know that, but I just wanted to reach through the screen and shake him as he was talking. You’d think that someone in his position (his family is involved in politics at home, I assume he was involved in some ruling through Renly, and now his sister/grandmother are clearly plotting things) would be more cautious, especially with a stranger.

    Again, objectively, I know that the choices these characters are making don’t seem unreasonable to them. But sitting on the couch watching their bad choices is KILLING ME.

  • Aeryl

    It did bother me, especially as in the show, he’s the HEIR to Highgarden!! In the books Loras is a younger brother who just wants to fight, so he could be forgiven for stray pillow talk.

    But here, he’s the heir so you think he’d be schooled ON HOW TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!! Of course, maybe it’s a reverse Lannister, where Tywin kept Cersei ignorant about politics, Lady Olenna only schools her the women, and ignored LORAS!!

  • Aeryl

    I’m just gonna laugh my ass off next week when it’s announced the Loras has joined the KG to avoid marrying Cersei!

    Honestly though, I do wonder if he’s going to join. They’ve made him the heir here, so it’s a lot more complicated than it was in the books.

  • Anonymous

    We barely get any info on Selyse, other than that she’s unattractive and a religious fanatic, so, no, that’s not in the books, but I thought that was an adequate addition. As to Loras… well, I guess he took after his father, who Olenna regards with obvious disdain for being a fool. The wits went all to Margaery XD

  • Wong Chia Chi

    Well considering that he’s loosely closeted gay, in a time where homosexuality is not tolerated. And the love of his life was just murdered so he’s grieving, and lonely, and all of the sudden he finds someone to connect with, albeit briefly, he’s probably vulnerable enough to talk about things he should probably keep to himself. I doubt he gets to open up very much to anyone outside his family.

    BUT I totally feel what you’re saying, at the same time.

  • Wong Chia Chi

    Off topic, I wonder if his family accepts his homosexuality. Maegary seems to but what about the Queen of Thorns, or his father? Just wondering.

  • Jeremy Sadler

    That was Loras.
    I think they’ve not shown Loras to be any good at politicking – he likes his swords (*ahem*). I get the impression it’s the Tyrell women who are the accomplished schemers – at least from how Olenna tells it.
    Thinking about that scene, I think that I as producer would have arranged it differently. The “watching Loras practice” scene could have been where Margarey approached Sansa with the idea for her to marry Loras, replacing that walking scene they had an episode or so, and then have Loras go all googly over his new squire. Next scene they are in bed, and Loras talks about the plan. Then THIS episode it is revealed that the squire is Littlefinger’s spy. Why like this? Because Littlefinger has been getting the short shrift lately, being shoved around and told what to do, and set up like this would have shown how he is still playing the Game. Then when Cersei approached him for information about the Tyrells, he could have said: “well, as it so happens…”
    It would have also given a little time between the squire becoming Loras’s bed partner and the info passing through, so it wouldn’t feel so sudden.

  • Wong Chia Chi

    I love how Littlefinger squashing the marriage plot was played.

    Petyr and his spy: “Loras is getting married? To who?”

    CUT TO Sansa by the Shore. Petyr: “Yes, no? Stay, go? Alright stay. We’ll talk when I get back.”

    CUT TO The Lannisters. ” So..Sansa wants to get married behind our backs eh? Tyrion you marry Sansa, Cersei you marry Loras.


  • TurboBird

    Great recap Bec!

    Loved the episode! Hound/Beric fight was fanastic (WAY better than the Jamie/Brienne fight, which I had high expectations for). Olenna is really dominating her scenes too. Although probably my favorite bits were both of Stannis’ scenes. SMALL SPOILER I think the three fetuses are going to be used in lieu of Mel’s three leeches, which would be a gruesomely fantastic change. Finally Shrieen singing Patchface’s song over the credits was amazingly creepy.

  • Amber Barnes

    I love how the Lannisters and the Tyrells are being contrasted so brilliantly this season. Marg’s skillful handling of Joffrey, successfully softening his image for the public, maneuvering him into doing things that make him look like a better king. vs. Cersei’s ham-fisted, unsubtle threats, open cruelty and viciousness. Then we have Olenna against Tywin. Their methods on handling their families and politics seem similar at first, but Olenna never uses them as a lashing post as Tywin uses his children. Olenna may step on toes, but Tywin smashes hearts and it shows in how their children and grandchildren fare.

  • Aeryl

    That’s a good catch. Running out of time though!

  • Aeryl

    In the books yes. In the show, I don’t know. In the books its an older brother Sansa is plotted to marry, but she asks about Loras and Lady Olenna looks at her and says “He wouldn’t make a good husband” and leaves it at that.

  • Laszlo

    I think Cersei will bring up the idea to him, and eventually he will join. And if they really left out Garlan and Willas, then I guess Margaery will be the heir, which is probably pretty good for the Lannisters.

  • Aeryl

    Robert abdicated his lordship upon obtaining the crown, giving it to Renly. I don’t know if Margaery would be allowed to be Lady of Highgarden and Queen.

  • ShifterCat

    I noticed that they had Shireen singing Patchface’s weird little song about the world under the sea. So I think they’ve cut him.

    And some ladies are just naturally rather thin, especially when they’re young.

  • ShifterCat

    Not-Maester Qyburn’s into torture and vivisection. I’m sure we’ll see more of it.

  • ShifterCat

    Hm. In the books they have another of Robert’s bastards, one Edric Storm, at Dragonstone to befriend Shireen and be menaced by Melisandre. Replacing Edric with Gendry would mean that a character we’re already invested in would be menaced instead.

  • ShifterCat

    Agreed: I was like, “Sure, I like some on-screen yaoi as much as the next girl, but… so soon after Renly?!”

    Maybe that’s how he’s coping with his grief?

  • ShifterCat

    Also: yay for Grey Worm and the (slightly altered) story of his name!

  • Sandy Larson- Gonzales

    You must be a obama supporter

  • Sandy Larson- Gonzales

    No bleeding heart pity for Jaime.

  • ampersands

    Why are you trying to politicize this? We can understand Martin’s intent without having literally anything to say about modern politics. What a silly thing to say.

  • Camille Monae

    Let’s give an Emmy to Coster-Waldau’s physique. DAMN! and what a great behind too =)

  • Aeryl

    Um, no, Obama’s to conservative for me. The man’s to right of Nixon for goodness sakes.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Yeah. Not political.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I was just amazed that they could leap and tumble against and off of wet rocks and not get bruised. Also, I was expecting Ygritte to be much hairier and less Dove body wash.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Someone that has read the books, do the Starks ever stop making the wrong decisions? It’s really hard to root for the “good guys” when the Lannisters are so much more interesting and developed and everything the Starks do makes me want to chew off my own fingers.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    Nope. The Starks should replace “Winter is Coming” with “I’ve made a huge mistake” as their house words.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    There’s some angst in the books about how she’s not been able to give birth to a son, but no, the fetuses in jars thing is alllll the show.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    It makes sense. I can’t imagine the show would want to introduce a new character to an already-huge cast and try to get us attached to him within the span of a few episodes.

  • Aeryl

    AH, you misassumed that the Starks are good guys. It’s all POV in this world.

  • Aeryl

    Gendry would be getting quite the collection of those m’lady’s then, wouldn’t he?

    At least THEN he’d figure out why the Lannisters want him dead.

  • Aeryl

    She meets the Westerosi standards of grooming for everyone else on the show. Which, you know, being a WILDLING should preclude that, but wev.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    True and my complaint is more of an anachronism, which is a silly thing to consider at all in a fantasy series.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Hah! I would love to see that coat of arms.

  • Aeryl

    I didn’t mind it when I got well groomed oiled nekkid men on Spartacus, I suppose guys can have their well groomed nekkid women on GOT.

    GOT would also be better served, IMO, if they went the Spartacus route and started catering more to the female gaze, but I doubt that’ll happen. Especially with how a certain relationship seems like it is playing out differently than in the books, because a certain character is dead in the show but alive in the books.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I’ve given that show a pass since they killed off Lucretia, but it did have a fairly even-handed approach to sexploitation. I guess there other things to complain about aside from body hair. On that same note, I could complain that they don’t all have rotty teeth. And I don’t mind nudity (because I’m human) but I do give an eyeroll whenever they bring out Littlefinger’s prostitutes and monologue while the ladies pose. “We can’t make this material interesting. Maybe breasts?”

  • Aeryl

    Everyone I know rolled their eyes at Tyrion’s game show esque “Come on down!” monologue at the brothel.

    Lucretia was the best and most diabolical villain on TV in years, she puts Tywin Lannister AND her husband Batiatus to shame. Her vengeance on Ashur and exit from this mortal coil was the epitome of her badassness, and demonstrated why she is the BOSS.

  • Melissa Shumake

    i was saying to my bf (who hasn’t watched/read harry potter and had no idea what i was talking about) that joffrey and draco have so much in common, even some mannerisms.

  • Ryan Colson

    BOOBS. BOOBS EVERYWHERE <-this episode

  • Wong Chia Chi

    I second this motion.

  • Anonymous

    You put Jaime into words so well n_n He is easily one of my favorite characters. He has been through a lot beginning with serving Aerys, which he did for specific reasons that didn’t happen. I was very satisfied with his and Brienne’s bath scene. That was the one scene I was worried about and they did a great job with it :3