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Superman vs Batman Producer On Importance of Wonder Woman, Downplays Solo Movie


Still not important enough to get her own movie, though.

Wesley Coller, producer of various Zack Snyder projects, recently talked to MLive about his career past and present, and, naturally, that included some questions about Wonder Woman.

[My daughter’s] favorite book is this little Wonder Woman flip book. It has the lasso, the invisible plane, the bracelets – every page has an image she’s just in awe with. And something that’s become a reality, being a dad with a new daughter, is that I have a special place in my heart for the idea of a strong, empowered female superhero being out there.

It’s true, thinking of the feelings of a daughter, sister, mother, or female significant other is often the easiest way to get a guy to consider the female perspective. Admittedly, the ideal situation is one in which a person considers the female perspective often because women are human beings, not beginning at a later stage in life when they find they are responsible for the mental growth of one.

But hey, the guy means well. It’s not his fault that nobody has to justify male superhero movies by saying “think of the children we’ll inspire!” anymore, they’re just accepted as a popular genre worth participating in. So Wonder Woman’s really important to girls, how about a solo film?

We’re super excited to have her in the film, it will be a ton of fun, but at the same time, we’ve got to stay focused on the film we’re working on now.

You saw that coming. And look, Coller isn’t Warner Bros., he’s a Zack Snyder collaborator. He very likely doesn’t know what’s coming down the pipeline after The Movie Currently Known as Batman vs Superman Because It Still Doesn’t Have a Real Title Yet. But you know who would never, ever say “we’ve got to stay focused on the film we’re working on” when asked about what’s coming in the future from the franchise? Marvel Entertainment.

Of course, they haven’t greenlit a solo superheroine film either.

(MLive via Digital Spy.)

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t think anyone was thinking of Inspiring any kind of children with the last Batman or Superman movies. I think the concept of inspiring people is a new concept at DC/WB

    I’m really glad I grew up with parents and teachers that treated boys and girls as equals who are capable of achieving what they putt heir minds to.

    Although it makes me really frustrated as I grow up to see that’s not how the rest of the world is.

  • Anonymous

    Baby steps. We know there’s a lot of people at WB who are afraid of making a Wonder Woman and they will probably need to see how the character is received before they can be convinced. And to be fair, we don’t know what’s gonna happen with Batfleck either.

  • Anonymous

    At the risk of editorializing, these women are guilty, and must be dealt with in a harsh and brutal fashion. Otherwise, their behavior could incite other women- leading to anarchy of biblical proportions…. IT’S IN “REVELATIONS” PEOPLE!

  • Anonymous

    Marvel should make a real power move and put out a Ms. Marvel or Black Widow film and shove DC’s face in it. When that movie does crazy numbers, you’ll see how fast DC can make a Wonder Woman film.

  • Jeyl

    It shouldn’t take a daughter.

  • Anonymous

    The thing is, DC has been gathering all the attention but Marvel hasn’t shown any indication that they are better in that regard. All their movies stars white actors and characters like Captain Marvel, Black Widow or Black Panther don’t look like they’re going to get their own franchise anytime soon.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    I’m always amazed at how strongly sexist ideas are driven into the minds of us dudes that a dude can’t even look at a woman in a book without thinking “this isn’t for me.” We can be such simple people.

  • http://pontoonification.blogspot.com/ AverageDrafter

    I’ve thought about this a lot, in the right hands most superheros don’t really need their own films – most SH/CB movies are a TON of filler with little or nothing that propels the character or the narrative. There is a lot of “fill in the blank” plotting/action set pieces that goes on with little or nothing interesting happening.

    In the right hands you should be able to use the iconography, insane amounts of established back story (in the comics), and elegant use of writing, production design, and performance to convey so much more than they are utilizing today.

    There’s so much, “and this happened, and then this happened, and then this…” in these films that they almost become a series of interconnected vignettes rather than a full fledged film.

    As far as Wonder Woman is concerned, I’d love to see her start out retired (Diana Prince style) and have to reclaim the mantle of WW in response to a threat that Batman and Superman as too busy rolling around in the dirt to deal with.

    Does she deserve a whole film? Absolutely. Does it have to be her origins (which, are pretty convoluted anyways), her first enemy’s origin, her coming into her powers, her failing to defeat the enemy but then later she does? Yawn.

    Of course, I’m not exactly expecting much from the hands that are currently at the wheel, but its possible to do this – just not very likely.

    If only Wes Anderson could 1) Tone down his personal style a bit 2) have any inclination to do a SH film, particularly a team up 3) Get Owen Wilson away from a camera and back behind a keyboard where he really belongs. That would be the best SH film ever made, bar none.

  • locuas

    I don’t care how much excited you are for having WW in your movie. You put her in your title or you admit that you don’t really know what you are going to do with her.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I have nothing to say to that. It speaks all for itself. I think it’s very pityful that in TEN years of development hell Warner Brothers countless producers, directors and screenwriters didn’t managed to pull off a Wonder Woman movie. And we’ve had how many Superman movies? How many Batman movies?

    Honestly, there’s nothing to say to that. And considering all the facts no one can really claim that “Wonder Woman is a character that’s oh, so difficult to translate to the big screen” as an even remotedly valuable argument anymore. WBs is either incompetent in this respect or they just don’t want to do it, choose one of these!

  • Elias Algorithm

    CAPTAIN MARVEL. Just to twist the screw.

  • Elias Algorithm

    Look, I’m a straight guy who enjoys some ladies in skimpy suits. My girlfriend knows this. She has no problem with it. There’s nothing wrong with liking the female form. Ladies are nice to look at. But here’s the thing.

    Go to the top of the page and LOOK WHERE YOU ARE.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    I’m not sure I get your point. Are you pointing out that I’m a dude who reads TMS, a geek girl culture site? If so, what does that have to do with what I said? And what do skimpy lady suits have to do with this?

  • Mark Matson

    Rate down for stupidity or up for brilliant parody?

    The internets are hard.

  • Mark Matson

    Wonder Woman is still more important than all that because she’s freak’n Wonder Woman. Marvel has many good female superheros and many good choices to lead a movie but no extra-obvious, theyabsolutelyhavetomakehermovie female superheros like Wonder Woman.

    That said, you are absolutely correct Marvel shouldn’t get a pass on this.

  • Mark Matson

    I like the idea of the first solo WW movie being an WWII origin movie. I’d love if her appearance in the Superman movie set that up.

    It is hard to believe they aren’t even thinking about it. (Perhaps “hard” is the wrong word. “Depressingly easy”?)

  • Elias Algorithm

    Might have read your original post backwards. I have no idea. WHAT IS THIS MADNESS DOING TO US

  • Anonymous

    It’s a Kent Brockman reference I believe. That would be up.

  • KatieB

    It shouldn’t but at this point I’ll take getting WW on to the big screen in her own film any way I can.

  • Charlie

    No it’s okay just remake Batman and Superman for the 29832982364592846 time It’s fine! *Flips table and walks out*

  • http://pontoonification.blogspot.com/ AverageDrafter

    The 500 pound gorilla in the room is Captain America: TFA, which is fast becoming my favorite Phase 1 film (yes, over Iron Man AND The Avengers… and my level of excitement for Winter Solider is astounding even to me).

    Think about all that the film had to accomplish: Setting up The Avengers, selling the patriotic American hero to a worldwide audience, selling an earnestly good-guy-who-does-the-right-thing-because-its-right superhero in a world dominated by reluctant heroes, charming-but-smarmy playboys, and brooding anti-heroes.

    The resulting film is not only good, its practically a god damned miracle.

    Bluntly put, no one at WB/DC has the chops to top this movie, and a Wonder Woman WWII story will automatically be compared and almost assuredly come up short. WAY short.

    I mean, look what they did to the ultimate Boy Scout, how do you think they are going to fare with a character that rarely is done right IN HER OWN MEDIUM…

    I think WWII is out, but if you are going origins I think Wonder Woman protecting her half-siblings from the wrath of Hera is a place to start. It goes “full Greek” while side stepping Trevor, the “world of man”, and a lot of other kinda outdated and hokey stuff that could work, but not with the writer/director they seem dead set on using for everything DC.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Wonder Woman should be a WWII period piece. Unlike Captain America, Diana would’ve become Wonder Woman without WWII. It’s was the threat at the time she was created like Iron Man being created during Viet Nam, but it should only be used if the rest of the JLA is also set in the 40′s. I hate the notion that Wonder Woman would show up during WWII without upending the entire course of the war & then retiring for decades while atrocities continue to happen in the world around her. I’m also against the New 52 just making her genderswapped Herakles instead of letting her develop her own relationship to the Olympians. The Perez era & the DTV cartoon show that you can still update Wonder Woman without throwing her unique qualities out wit the bathwater.

  • Jamie Jeans

    I call bullshit on this.

    “I have a daughter, so I know how important Wonder Woman is to her! Just not important enough to have her own movie though.”

    It does not matter who it comes from, it’s all the same. They don’t hate women or female characters because after all, they have moms and wives and daughters and aunts… it’s just that women aren’t important enough to make a wonder Woman movie for.

    Complete and utter bullshit.

    He may not have said those words, but it’s the same damned attitude time and time again. Men get all the movies greenlit no problem about 90 percent of the time. Hell, they were seriously considering a Green Lantern sequal after that garbage movie came out.

    But women and people of colour? They’re nothing but sidekicks or a team member, but never good enough for their own movie.

    Meanwhile… hey, didn’t Frozen, as much as that ripped off native Sami culture, beat out the Hunger Games sequal? Both movies with starring female leads?

    And Blade kickstarted and reinvigorated the entire Superhero genre of movies. We owe what we have to Wesley Snipes as that awesome vampire hunter.

  • Zagreus

    I think the whole “my daughter loves wonder woman” is just something guys in the movie industry with suits say when asked about WW… if they have a daughter. Then they can say something positive about WW. It’s an easy thing to do. It’s probably all bullshit. His daughter is probably like my nieces and has never heard of wonder woman, and is watching Adventure Time, my little pony, or some bizarro faerie princess cartoon that I’ve never heard of (which I sat through with them once when they came for a visit…)

  • Jake Mertz

    Well, I for one, would like to see a Wonder Woman movie.

    I have to wonder how much WB’s waffling has to do with them worrying about how badly received a Wonder Woman movie would be. I mean, now people are complaining that they’re not making one, but, I’ll just bet, if they do make one, people will be complaining about how they made it. Darned if they do, darned if they don’t.

  • Nigel Bradley

    I’ll go another direction: when do we get a Gail Simone Batgirl with her own movie? :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    To add to this, the fact that she left her island to save the world beyond its shores from a great threat which her people willfully chose to ignore is I believe, the core of her origin story.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, Diana choosing to forgo a privilleged life as the princess of an idyllic & isolated kingdom in favor of becoming a superheroine for the entire world is a big part of her character that shouldn’t be glossed over.

  • Anonymous

    “Ok Mr. Snyder, now, inevitably someone is going to ask you about a Wonder Woman movie. Just go ahead and use this standard response. We’ve got a few minutes, so why don’t you give it a once over?”

    “Oh, right. Ok, let me try. I have a [insert young female relative here], who loves [insert female superhero here], so I’m totally on board with [insert high-profile superheroine who deserves her own movie but will never get it], but [insert bull$#!+]“

  • Anonymous

    “We’re super excited to have her in the film, it will be a ton of fun, but at the same time, we’ve got to stay focused on the film we’re working on now.”

    I’m okay with this for now. He’s got a good point. I’d rather they not rush straight into a solo film. Although, there’s no reason a WW film can’t happen after this upcoming sequel.

  • Josh White

    They have to remake them so that they can start their cinematic universes I don’t know about you but i’m happy that they are doing something new by putting them on screen together.

  • Josh White

    Superman/Batman: Wonder Woman
    Wonder Woman vs Batman vs Superman
    There isn’t really a title that could fit her name and Batman and Superman

  • locuas

    Trinity: superman, Batman & Wonder Woman. Justice League origins. something like that. and if she does not fit, then don’t name the movie by the name of the characters.

  • Charlie

    I have nothing against those characters but it would be nice for a super-heroine to get a movie at some point.

  • Josh White

    Ok, I was thinking you meant actually put WONDER WOMAN in the title because that’s really long. But I actually like the title Trinity or since they’ve called it a sequel Man of Steel: Trinity. Or if they want to have a fun cameo you can have someone say they are the World’s Finest (I’d cry of excitement). They can’t put Justice League in the title because it would confuse people who would expect Flash and GL to be there the first one could be called JL Origins and I think it should follow the three part Secret Origins episodes of Justice League those are my favorite episodes and it brings the league together successfully.

  • Josh White

    Oh yeah! I really want a Wonder Woman movie more than a Batman and Superman movie because her origin is way cooler than both of theirs I mean she’s the daughter of a GOD Zeus and an Amazon so they can heavily include the greek mythology aspect I want to hear Hera help us like when she used to say it in the JL cartoon. Also I want a Ms. Marvel (capt. Ms. just sounds cooler to me) movie, because I watched the Avengers: EMH show and really became a fan of the character. I also want to see Zatanna make an appearance in a Batman movie or something but I’m not familiar with her to the point where I think she would need a solo movie so correct me if I’m wrong but I love the way she says spells backwards and uses magic. I want to see Cheetah, Circe, Artemis, Big Barda, The Female Furies, Harley Quinn, and more to at least appear in a movie but just wait someone will set the bar for a female superhero movie and everyone will follow trying to raise it.

  • Charlie

    I would love it if the made a trilogy of Wonder Woman movies. Ancient Greece, World War 2 and Modern. It would be amazing but I doubt anyone wants to give her that much time :(.

    I would love a Captain Marvel film mostly because movies seem to shy away from actual ‘super powered’ women. Zatanna could follow on the back of Wonder Woman’s universe as she is a big part of the magical world of DC.

  • locuas

    they said there may be a flash cameo, so it is not impossible xD

  • Josh White

    cool, I want to see that JL episode with Batman,Zatanna, Wonder Woman, and Circe adapted with some more dialogue and action it’s my favorite and its hilarious.

  • ASM

    Wonder Woman shouldn’t just be considered a superhero for girls. I was watching some of the amateur Wonder Women trailers with my daughter and let my sons watch parts of them (some scenes are too violent for them, especially right before their bedtime). They thought she was cool and one was in awe how good she was at kicking butt. Being a dad with boys, I have a special place in my
    heart for the idea of a strong, empowered female superhero being out
    there.

  • jmc

    I wonder when readers are going to have the honesty to call out Marysue on their poor reporting and sensationalism. Wise up and stop getting click baited into an outrage.

  • jmc

    Wesley Coller talked about his personal experience with the character Wonder Woman as it involves his daughter, and this article spins that by inferring his daughter solely informed his view on women and that experience is responsible for an inferred change in his view How can you assume that without even knowing his personal views throughout his life? Aren’t there mothers who have a similar experiences raising boys who loved Superman? There is nothing wrong with parents finding the importance of pop culture characters through the love of their children which is all Coller originally said, yet this article and its writer digs for negativity as it often does when it comes to DC properties. Also, most producers are not showmen like Marvel’s Feige. It’s actually common and the norm for producers to only talk about the current movies because producers are investors. They don’t count their eggs before they hatch. Directors do it also. Nolan focuses on one movie at a time and avoids talking about possible sequels. Why does it become a negative in this case? Oh, of course every DC movie has to be needlessly compared to Marvel; and when there are similarities, DC is attacked; when there are differences, DC is attacked. The bias out in the open here. When the truth is being stretched to attract readers by cultivating anger and negativity, it needs to be called out. No investigative efforts are taken in these articles. It’s all hostile inferences, and what’s worth is they are reporting on someone else’s report instead of looking at the original source to draw proper conclusions.

  • DaviD Miller

    These guys are killing the DC Universe.