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Fact From the Vapor of Nuance

Meet The Fantastic Five Actors in the Running for Sue Storm and Reed Richards


The Fantastic Four reboot stands to be the first major superhero franchise in a long time to star an actor of color in a lead role from the very start, and according to Variety, it’s out of script stages and will soon begin casting Reed Richards and Sue Storm, perhaps confirming the multiracial diversity of the Storm family.

According to Variety’s sources, here’s what’s going down:

Michael B. Jordan is on board to play Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, but will be testing with other actors for ensemble chemistry. In the running to play Sue Storm, Johnny’s older sister, are Kate Mara (sister of Rooney) and Saoirse Ronan. I suppose if we can’t have her in the lead in Star Wars VII, I’m just as happy to see her in as an adventurer, sister, and superhero.

Reed Richards, on the other hand, may very well come to us from the land of Westros. Both Kit Harington and Richard Madden are apparently expected to test for the part. Miles Teller, another of actor Variety says is in the running, confirmed his possible involvement with the franchise to reporters yesterday, so it’s not to far fetched to think that Variety might have gotten the real facts in this matter.

All a Fantastic Four reboot really needs to be is better than The Fantastic Four and Rise of the Silver Surfer. To go beyond that low hurdle and present an interracial family (whether mixed race, adoptive, or otherwise) is already impressing the heck out of me. Now lets just hope that we have, indeed, wrung these facts from the vapor of nuance.

(via Variety.)

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  • MarieMJS

    Was discussing this on twitter earlier, and I’m really disturbed by the obvious refusal to cast a WOC as the female lead. I would be delighed to have siblings of different ethnicities but I can’t help but feeling this is just Hollywood not coping well with the idea of having two POCs as lead, and that they’re not as progressive and interesting as that, and therefore I’m sensing a possible stupid excuse for casting a white lady. Seriously.

  • Guymelef

    Why can’t both Johnny and Sue be POC? It’d stop Jordan looking like the token POC in what may otherwise be an all-white cast. Plus, we’d then get the primary romance as an interracial one. I’m trying to think of other ‘big’ movies where the featured romance was between characters of different colour but I’m drawing a blank…

  • Alex Gollner

    Director of Ant-Man Edgar Wright suggested Nick Frost for The Thing.

    By the way, is The Thing seen as less middle class than the other Fantastic Three in the comics?

  • Guymelef

    Yep. He’s from the Lower East Side of Manhattan, traditionally a working-class neighbourhood.

  • Silverwisp

    Either make them both black or let it be. Half-arsing it will make you look like one of those college brochures, with minorities pushed to the fore/photoshopped in.

  • eag46

    Ben Grimm, aka Thing, is modeled after Jack Kirby, who was very much a working class Jewish New Yorker. If we could transplant Dustin Hoffman’s voice into wrestler Bill Goldberg’s body, you’d have the perfect Thing.

  • Anonymous

    I can envision drawing more from the Ultimate FF story line than the old 616. The Ultimate FF line took a big nose dive plunge not long after Ellis’ story ark, but the introduction was good.

  • TheChief

    I agree with that. It is a disappointing trend in media. To them, diversity is apparently having a token POC character. Since the casting is still not complete, maybe that can change.

    On a note about interracial relationships in media, I recently saw a commercial for some cleaning product. The husband was white and the wife was black. It was kind of shocking (in a good way) to see that. I hope to see that start carrying over to other things like tv and movies.

  • Ashe

    There are many recent movies, actually, with mixed-race romances (Skyfall, Premium Rush, The Words, Star Trek, Elysium, to name a few).

    Sadly, they’re almost exclusively white men paired with women of color. The other way around is very rare (Flight and I just BARELY count Twilight).

  • Rebecca Pahle

    You know, there actually ARE families with people of different races in them. Like, in real life. It’s not some “political correctness” trick.

  • Ashe

    Is there no in-between? Do I not exist?

    I’VE BEEN LIVING A LIE!

  • Rebecca Pahle

    But Marie! If the majority of the characters aren’t white then it means minorities are trying to ~oppress us~. Reverse racism!

    (Please, for the love of God, everyone note that I’m being sarcastic. I’ve been burned before.)

  • Rebecca Pahle

    Who’s there? Why is that comment blank?!

  • Ashe

    Interracial superhero family!

    Interracial superhero family!

    Interracial superhero family!

    *throws pom-poms into air*

  • Ashe

    *~*~poof!~*~*

  • Katy

    Just one thing is bothering me… Saoirse Ronan is 19 and looks like a 19 year old. Micheal B Jordan is 26. How is Ronan going to play the older sister? I mean she could probably do it because she’s that awesome, but still. Please let the powers that be cast Kate Mara or an age appropriate actress.

  • Cellism

    An American Cheerios advert did that recently and oh how the internet shit hit the fan.

  • Anonymous

    I am extremely underwhelmed by that list. I still disagree with Michael B. Jordan’s casting but I’ve had this discussion many times before and it’s time to move on.

    What bothers me with this list are the ages of the actors. It’s always been pretty consistent in the comics that Reed and Ben are the oldest, with Sue being younger than them and Johnny being the “kid” of the group. Now look at that list: Ronan is not only quite a bit younger than Jordan but she also looks longer as well. Kate Mara is the right age but Harrington, Madden and Teller are the same age as Jordan. How is Reed supposed to be a semi-father figure to Johnny if both are the same age?

    If they want me to get on board, they should probably remove the Fantastic Four label from the film. I don’t even know why they’re keeping it at this point.

  • Cellism

    Oh no, a film without Reed as the pedantic father figure who infantilises a grown woman and then decides it’s a great idea to build a space prison for queer teenage heroes? Bummer!

  • Ashe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwReRl4Z7EQ

    You should check out this response to that Internet backlash. It’s great.

  • Anonymous

    As someone who is black, I’m of two minds. On one hand, I would’ve preferred a black Sue but on the other, I also like the idea of a positive portrayal of a mixed race adopted family.

    WAY too many people reacted to the rumors of Jordan’s casting with “But the Storms are supposed to be siblings!!!!” as if one of them being adopted would somehow make them less so. There’s a lot of bias against adoptive or mixed families and I’d really like them to shut these people the fuck up by showing that there’d never be any reason for Sue to love her brother any less just because he doesn’t look like her or came from different birth parents.

  • Cellism

    BRILLIANT.

  • Ryan Colson

    Black Johnny White Sue? Adopted?

  • Anonymous

    The comic was created in 1961 and many, many stories have been written without either of those elements coming into play.

  • Anonymous

    i’m reverse offended by your comments.

  • Guymelef

    Good call on most of those, although I’d be slow to throw Skyfall in there since it was more of a liaison than an actual romance, but yes, I’d forgotten about Star Trek, Elysium, and RotPotA (haven’t seen any of the others).

    Your next challenge is to tell me if there are any rom-coms in which the primary romance is between people of different colours.

  • Anonymous

    my kids, 11 and 15, when made aware of the furor, were very much “i didnt even notice, what’s the issue?” …so, there’s hope.

  • Silverwisp

    I am quite are of that. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s gonna look like like they shoved in one token black character.

  • Anonymous

    ya ever read a response to a comment you’ve made here and then immediately go back to reread your original message to verify that you never said any such thing? ya ever not?

  • Anonymous

    is this film set in their college years? there’s a “fantastic four year-olds” joke in there somewhere, but i can’t quite unearth it.

  • Silverwisp

    I probably should have worded that differently. What I meant is that making them adopted siblings is going to look like they shoved in a token character but couldn’t bring themselves to cast more than one non-white actor.

  • Ashe

    I hate romantic comedies, regularly avoid them and I can STILL say with confidence: I got nothin’.

    Mainstream rom-coms are still the territory of white heterosexual couples, with the occasional black heterosexual couples thrown in.

  • Ashe

    Yeah, it was the ‘either make them both black or let it be’ that made me cock an eyebrow.

    I also hope that there will be a diverse cast and not, well. The Mindy Project, if you get what I’m saying.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    I remember one called Something New, where as far as I know the point was that the central couple was interracial—as in it was a source of drama instead of being incidental to the plot. Still, it came out a good 7-8 years ago.

  • Silverwisp

    I’ll drink to that.

  • TheChief

    Apparently I had missed that one. I had absolutely no problem with it. It’s sad that there are people that would take issue with it.

  • Anonymous

    Well as resident of Happyland and as the chairman of the Lollipop Lane Block Club, I am deeply offended by statement!

    And what is “being sarcastic” mean anyway? I never heard a more uncromulent word! Ever!

  • Laura Truxillo

    I guess that depends on what your life experience is.

  • Anonymous

    How difficult is it for them to cast Freema Agyeman or Gugu Mbatha-Raw to play Sue?

  • TheChief

    The adoption angle could be interesting. I like your idea. When I hear people discuss the adoption theory, it seems the majority people automatically assume that Johnny is the one being adopted. I think it would be interesting if Sue was the one being adopted instead.

  • Pink Apocalypse

    My home is powered by social progress, and heated by neck-beard rage, both channeled from the internet.

    Please make it happen.

  • Mark Matson

    The Bodyguard with Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston, back in 1992. I haven’t seen it, so it might not actually be a rom-com. Wikipedia calls it a “romantic thriller”. I do remember being surprised at the lack of caring about the racial aspect. Of course, that was before the internet.

  • http://adronbuske.com/ Adron Buske

    Freema Agyeman as Sue Storm never occurred to me before, but now I REALLY like that idea.

    I’m perfectly okay with the mixed race family angle as well (that matches up nicely with many of my friends’ families), whether by adoption or different parents. I’d like to see more diversity in the Marvel cinematic heroes. For me, it’s the family chemistry of FF that matters most. The 4 they assemble must be magic together onscreen for Fantastic Four to work at all.

  • He Geek She Geek

    Well, duh!

  • Ashe

    Then they’d have to tackle the social hypocrisy on white families adopting children of color, and families of color adopting white kids.

    (one is widely accepted and considered an act of open-minded kindness and the other causes an uproar and gets parents arrested at Wal-Marts: guess which is which)

    I would love for that to happen, but it’s very unlikely. One socially progressive step at a time for Hollywood.

  • Guest

    I don’t like any of this (let the putting begin)

  • Joe Quesadilla

    I don’t like any of this (let the pouting begin)
    it’s obvious Fox is rushing this so they won’t lose the rights. Another Fantastic Stinker of a Film!

  • Guymelef

    Exactly my thoughts on rom-coms (re being the realm of white heteronormativity), so I was wondering if there were any I hadn’t thought of (in which the drama doesn’t result from the main couple being of two different colours).

    And actually, I just thought of one. I am loathe to call it a rom-com, but Two Days in New York, sequel to the brilliant Two Days in Paris, has as its main relationship that between Julie Delpy and Chris Rock, replete with babies of varying colours. And IIRC, there is very little (if any) drama relating to the mixed race-ness of the relationship.

  • Guymelef

    I am of two minds about the whole thing. On one hand, I would like for it to not even be mentioned as an issue, but on the other, it really does seem to be such an issue for some segments of society and in certain areas in particular, so I like to see it examined as well. Can’t have it both ways I guess.

  • Cowtools

    Ugh. Just like the last movie, they’re casting the F4 as teen heroes, when a large part of the comic’s appeal (to me at least) is that it’s centred around an older married couple with their extended family. That kind of difference allows for different types of stories to be told. This makes me worry this film will be just as generic as the previous attempt.

  • Guymelef

    Oh man, the casting on that show. Like, seriously. I was all like ‘heyyy, a new sitcom spearheaded by a woman of Indian descent, awesome’ but it’s like they just whitewashed all around her to make up for it. So weird. They brought a black nurse in towards the end of the season, but I expected more from the very start of the show. Not to mention it’s set in New York of all places.

  • Adrian

    Casting concerns aside, I’m just not enthused about this project at all, even with Trank attached and Jordan possibly co-starring.

    Fox should just let the rights return to Marvel since the Fantastic Four their way has proven to be almost a waste of money.

    Hell, you can build your own universe with X-Men characters alone so forcing the teams to mix isn’t really necessary, in my mind.

    By the way, I’d prefer a more traditional Fantastic Four setup—age-wise, not race—with Jon Hamm as Mister Fantastic.

  • Adrian

    Casting concerns aside, I’m just not enthused about this project at all, even with Trank attached and Jordan possibly co-starring.

    Fox should just let the rights return to Marvel since the Fantastic Four their way has proven to be almost a waste of money.

    Hell, you can build your own universe with X-Men characters alone so forcing the teams to mix isn’t really necessary, in my mind.

    By the way, I’d prefer a more traditional Fantastic Four setup—age-wise, not race—with Jon Hamm as Mister Fantastic.

  • Katy

    Fantastic Four Year Old is witty enough for me!

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Ronan is the only teen of the group and she’s 19. Everyone else is mid to late-20s-early 30s.

  • Anonymous

    26 years old is still young enough to play a teenager in Hollywood. Doesn’t mean they will but it’s still cause for concern, especially if they cast Ronan and everyone’s age is adjusted according to her.

  • Cowtools

    I only know those two potential Reed Richards from Game Of Thrones, where they’re playing teenagers (or at least, youngish characters; they were definitely teens in the books).

    I just can’t picture Reed Richards without silver in his hair. It just seems intrinsic to his character, like The Thing’s Brooklyn accent.

  • Cellism

    The point I was trying to make was that Reed as anything other than a father figure may not be such a bad thing. While it would be awesome to see another father figure dominate a comic book movie narrative (as Nick Fury, Coulson, Batman, Commissioner Gordon, Lucius Fox, Albert, Xavier, Magneto, Ras al’Gul, Uncle Ben and Jor-el weren’t quite enough) I think Reed’s character would not only benefit from being liberated from his paternal role but it might also be interesting to see him do *anything* else.

    In short, Reed doesn’t need to be father figure.

  • MeatyStakes

    I really can’t get with the idea of Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny; god forgive me for my shallowness, but I just don’t find it attractive.

    Why isn’t Idris Elba 15 ish years younger, WHY THE GODS MUST BE SO CRUEL

  • Nick Gaston

    Screw adoption…if I were writing it, I’d make them twins. Complete with baby photos and ultrasound printouts, casually placed onscreen.

    With no explanations. *I* can think of about six different ways it’s completely medically possible—I’ll let the audience figure it out for themselves, if they want.

    “Après moi, le déluge!”

  • Anonymous

    *that* is what you meant, but *that* up there is what you said?

    dear lord, cellism, i truly wish i had the telepathy of a dr. strange, as that is what your original post requires for clarity. not to mention, the incendiary nature of the accusations of sexism and homophobism [sic] of your original post would make the human torch jelly and the 180 degree pirouette between the “pedantic father figure who infantilises” and the “benefit from being liberated from his paternal role” implies a flexibility that even reed himself would be in awe of!

    having said that, i totally agree with your second post.

  • Ashe

    Little to no drama around the mixed-ness of the relationship? Chris Rock? That’s something I’ll have to check out.

    :D

  • Ryan Colson

    Because drawing from Ultimate helped the first film

  • Ashe

    B-But I was taught genetics i-is twins always look identical a-and skin color has to be the same in families or it’s adoption a-and uh white kids with differing hair and eye colors is normal but differing skin colors is cause for alarm and um uh

  • Ryan Colson

    My earlier theory was leading to both are adopted by science nerd parents and it’d maybe be a think tank thing

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    But Nick Frost isn’t American!
    He would make a great Thing, though.

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    Wait, what? Nobody in the original movies were teenagers. Ioan Griffudd was 32, Michael Chiklis was in his 40s, and both Chris Evans and Jessica Alba were 24 in 2005 when the first movie dropped. Sue should’ve been older and Reed/Ben should’ve been closer, sure, but a cast of all 20-somethings is at least somewhat of a departure from the last set of Not-So-Fantastic Four films.

    Those movies had problems, but the casting could have worked with better scripts, direction, and, well, no. I don’t think FF can ever work on film if you can’t get past their origin into some actual adventuring.

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    Michael B. Jordan already sort of played Johnny in Chronicle, and he was FANTASTIC in that.

  • Anonymous

    I wish they’d gone all the way & switched up the races for the whole team. Making Human Torch the only minority character isn’t that progressive because his goofy & sporty personality is pretty much already the token black guy comedy relief persona in blockbuster movies. I’d prefer a black Invisible Woman so that the siblings’ personality differences can’t be superficillay chalked up to adoption. Then you could round them off with something like a Latino Mr. Fantastic & an Asian Thing. Maybe then the most interesting thing about the Fantastic Four won’t automatically be Dr. Doom.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t notice many elements from Ultimate FF in the first film. From the origin: Ultimate FF get their powers from travelling into the N Zone, whereas 616 FF get theirs from cosmic radiation while in space.

  • Anonymous

    its the uk’s payback for our neoization of constantine.

  • MeatyStakes

    It really doesn’t have anything to do with his talent, that’s why I admitted it was shallow reasoning. He just doesn’t get my motor running as Chris Evans did.

  • Cowtools

    Let’s not get too hung up on my use of the word ‘teenagers’. We all know that they can cast people of any age to play teen characters (just ask Bianca Lawson!).

    My point is more that they were casting with an eye towards ‘teen appeal’. i.e.: generic bland pretty people, most already familiar from TV soaps. (Chiklis excepted obviously; he was great). Those movies were cast by the marketing department and not by people who cared about adapting the comics well.

    I’m worried this version seems to be going down the same route. Let’s not forget this film is being overseen by Mark Millar, A) who’s Ultimate Fantastic Four comic run DID have the whole F4 as teenagers AND renamed Dr Doom as Victor Van Damme (unforgivable!), + B) who is a terrible writer and self-promoter and seems to revel in mocking fans of fun, optimistic superhero comics.

  • Anonymous

    David Tennant said he’d play Mr. Fantastic. Why don’t they just cast him? http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a470687/doctor-who-david-tennant-i-could-star-in-fantastic-four-movie.html

  • Ashe

    I was like, “Okay, Okay, I get it. A WOC can’t exist in a leading role without white people to validate her existence. Because we definitely don’t see enough majority-white casts on TV.”

    And…yeah. TV New York is always whitewashed.

  • Cellism

    There’s an old Wikipedia motto I like to keep in mind sometimes: ‘Assume good faith’. Obviously I wasn’t trying to be deliberately obtuse but, at the same time, Reed Richards is a thoroughly rotten character in many regards. (The most direct example of this is where both my examples draw from, the Civil War story line.)

    I wasn’t trying to be a smart-ass but it kind of seems like you might be.

  • Anonymous

    you never came across like a smart ass until your last sentence, but i can deal with it, its the internet after all…still, a motto i like to follow is “say what you mean, mean what you say.”

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Oh my gosh that would be so awesome! XD

  • Temmere

    Actually all the others were born in 1986 or ’87, so 28 max. Which is too young for me, except Jordan. As for Ronan, I’m okay with a black man being the sister of a white woman, as long as they explain that, but Sue younger than Johnny is just wrong. That’s not how the FF is put together.

  • Important Film Maker

    Ahhhh I’m offended and I’m gonna tell Tumblr about it!!

  • http://skemono.blogspot.com/ Skemono

    Speaking of which, have you seen this?

  • Ashe

    “As for Ronan, I’m okay with a black man being the sister of a white woman, as long as they explain that”

    Because this is what progress needs: people deciding that mixed-race families have to explain themselves.

  • Anonymous

    I realized there’s a level of variation, but I’d expect kids from a mixed-race family to look more like, say, Barack Obama rather than one being blond and very white, and the other being clearly black. The latter case strikes me as very unlikely (especially as blondness is a recessive trait, so both parents need to have an allele for it in order for one of their kids to be blond).

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t trying to be a smart-ass

    In that case, I’m sorry to tell you that you failed. Your first comment was a pretty hostile and presuming-the-worst answer to an reasonable argument, and was the opposite of presuming good faith.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, that’s who he is! I’m bad at remembering actors.

    He did a great job there, although not really a Johnny Storm type (he was very much The Perfect character – popular, sports star, and genuinely friendly and nice; at least going by the prior FF movies Johnny seems like a bit of a youthful jerk).

    Considering that one of the guys from Chronicle is directing the new FF, that also helps explain his casting – not that it isn’t talent-based, but networking and connections are valuable especially if you’re not yet a superstar.

    (And the guy who played Andrew is Harry Osbourne in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. For a small movie, Chronicle launched a lot of careers.)

  • Ashe

    It’s rarer, yes, but it does happen. That’s the thing with mixed race families: kids run the entire gamut of shapes and sizes and colors.

    Mixed families are shown so rarely, though, that every scrap of representation has to be thoroughly analyzed.

    They’re probably going this route because mixed actors and actresses are always used as lighter, more conventionally attractive stand-ins for non-mixed characters…but, still. It’s a start.

  • Ashe

    NOPE. That is awesome!

  • Anonymous

    … and they’re teenagers again. Awesome. Marvel is really desperate to make more movies, aren’t they?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah I think the interracial thing scared them. And I’m not saying they aren’t right to worry. It’s amazing the crap people come up with when they run out of reasons to hate each other.

  • Holeybartender

    ANYONE changing a character’s race to appeal to another race is a racist, ESPECIALLY if its money motivated. That’s the ONLY reason to change it, to get people in the seats. Stop feeding us this ethnic propaganda and respect the character as it was originally intended.

  • Brian

    The Mindy Project?

  • Vetinari

    “See, most people’s arms just sort of go in a straight line from shoulder to hand, but mine is just sort of a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, army-warmy . . . stuff.”

  • Vetinari

    I feel like having a person of colour play Sue Storm would lead to a comment about her already being invisible to people in the first place. Might be a bit on the nose though.

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    Hm, yeah, I’d forgotten about the Mark Millar thing. He’s extremely hit or miss, mostly missing by a mile. But, otherwise, I don’t see this FF shaping up like the last one. The director showed with Chronicle that he gets superhero stories and can direct them very well on a micro-budget, so I’m curious what he can do with a real financing. Tim Story, who directed the other FFs had mainly worked in comedy before getting that gig, so there’s really no comparison between them. As for the actors mentioned so far, Michael B. Jordan has far more street cred right now than Chris Evans did at the time (and I liked Evans as Johnny), as do both Kate Mara and Saoirse Ronan. Ronan might be 19, but she is very good in everything I’ve seen her in and isn’t a bland Victoria’s Secret model; nor is Mara, who has gotten raves for basically everything she’s ever done. Those two actresses are far above Jessica Alba in terms of talent. As for the possible Reeds, I agree there’s some potential trouble there, but Miles Teller is at least supposed to be good and I can easily see Richard “Rob Stark” Madden as a young Mr. Fantastic; Kit Harrington would be rough, though. So, based on most of the ingredients, I just don’t see it shaking out quite like the others, but obviously it still could. It might have a terrible script, but the above the line talent seems more than decent.
    The biggest issue, I agree, is that they all should be somewhat or a lot older based on most of our preconceived notions of the characters. I didn’t read Millar’s Ultimate FF, so I had no idea he retconned them as teenagers. That just really doesn’t make sense with their origin. The Doctor Doom thing sounds even dumber than the first movie, and that’s a level of stupidity that’s hard to top. Hopefully they’ll do some amount of blending the ideas, so they’re young but not Space Camp young and could feasibly be part of an astronaut crew. Really, I just want to see them adventuring, not whining about a terrible accident that made them demigods.

  • TheChief

    Does include going back to the extremely sexist Sue Storm of the 60′s? I mean that is what Stan Lee originally intended. smh

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VL-wA1VwFWY/TkJaVEtIVAI/AAAAAAAAFwo/u-akOLcEtQU/s1600/fantastic+four+sexist.jpg

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    It’s interesting, I never thought of Johnny as a character meant to be “hot” (other than his power set), so much as young, dumb and full of… well, you know. So the relative attractiveness of Jordan vs. Evans didn’t even cross my mind, though I’m sure some people would argue that point with you. But, yeah, I guess with Reed and Ben in comparison, he is supposed to be the one ladies and some men want to bone down with, isn’t he?

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    Yeah, it’s not surprising, really. That movie was far better than it should have been, and Jordan and Dane DeHaan were both very good. It’s no surprise the third guy isn’t blowing up quite as much, either.

    I think with Jordan in Chronicle, comparing him to Johnny, I was thinking more in terms of him being the good natured, fun loving party guy who everyone likes. Johnny definitely isn’t as Marty Stu as that, but he shares a lot of the same traits. Enough that it’s very easy to see Jordan take on the role, anyway.

    Still, poor third guy. I don’t even feel the urge to look up his name.

  • Vetinari

    “Respect the character as it was originally intended.”

    I feel like the first law of superhero comics, carved into a comic panel made of gold, is “Canon is Negotiable.”

  • http://www.eleven-thirtyeight.com/ Mike Cooper

    Any new POC (whether there’s an adoption angle or not) is inherently a good thing, and that shouldn’t be downplayed. BUT…

    It makes me crazy that they would make Johnny black and Sue white. Every single thing about it pushes my buttons–1) unwillingness to have TWO POCs, 2) unwillingness to have a black lead character in Reed, 3) unwillingness to have a black love interest for the lead, 4) unwillingness to have a black female scientist, and of course, 5) choosing the “hotheaded smartass” character to be the black guy.

    Jessica Alba was great, and again, better than nothing, but as a POC she was the safest casting decision they could possibly have made at that point, and this comes across the same way: a safe, market-tested decision disguised as something bold and progressive.

    …assuming the rumors are true, of course.

  • http://anna.balasi.com/ AnnaB

    Couldn’t Johnny and Sue be half-siblings? I find that entirely probable. I’m a little iffy on the adoption bit, since both Sue and Johnny have superpowers. It just makes more sense for blood siblings to both have superpowers (as far superpower plots go and make sense, I mean).

  • Axe Armor

    Shouldn’t be an issue in this case, since the Fantastic Four are powered up by superscience and space magic, not their genes.

  • Anonymous

    I looked it up. His name’s Alex Russell. But yes, his character was more the ‘everyman’, didn’t stand out as much.

  • MeatyStakes

    Yeah, in that aspect I think I got biased by Evans portrayal (the only thing I truly liked about the movies) He played Johnny as cocky, charming and flirty, and that really worked for me; and even if we have another actor, part of me still wants that characterization back, cause it’s either that or funny guy.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    There was a case in Britain, the parents were both biracial, and they conceived identical twins. But when the embryo split, the genes for a dark skin tone went to one child and the genes for white skin went to the other. So they had identical twins that appeared to be of different races.

    If that can happen, I have no problem accepting siblings can appear to be two different races.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    I remember the shit storm in my neck of the woods about it.

  • Holeybartender

    Your talking about 2 different things. Changing one’s opinion about something is EXTREMELY different than changing one’s physical being. You can choose what to believe in but you can’t choose what race you are.

    Your blind if you think they are changing their race for anything but monetary gain. If I made a Black Panther movie and made him Caucasian and changed Wakanda to New York just to appeal to White people there would be a MASSIVE uproar in the Black community.

    The WHOLE reason for changing Johnny Storm from White to Black is to make their movie appeal to a wider audience so they can make more money.PERIOD. You don’t see anything wrong with that way of thinking? That’s like saying,”Oh my business won’t thrive in a Black community unless I hire a Black person”. Its a very racist way of thinking.

  • KryptoBunny

    This is the internet, so here’s my opinion:

    This probably isn’t going to be a great movie – the casting ideas for Mr. Fantastic are all I have to see to know that (substituting a British accent for the ability to write or act the role of a genius, hmmm?). I feel very doubtful that they’re going to go very deep into the experiences of adopted children or mixed race families in any sort of meaningful way. It would be lovely if they did, I just… really don’t think that’s the plan. So I find it ridiculously problematic to have a bossy older sister — who is white — trying to reign in her younger brother, the brash, womanizing hothead — who is black. In a more nuanced movie, it could be fine. But I’m pretty certain this is not going to be that movie. But who knows? Maybe I’ll be surprised.

    I think Michael B. Jordan could be a great Johnny — it mostly depends on the writing, really, and I’m sort of sad that being in THIS movie kinda means he can’t be in any actual Marvel movies. But without a mixed or black Sue, I’m going to continue operating under the assumption that the folks making the decisions about this movie are cowards. Not because adopted families are somehow less-than, but because unless they deal with the issues with nuance and intention– and I don’t think they will — they’ve taken the easy way out. A black Johnny is easy (so easy that he kinda reads as a stereotype). A black Sue would genuinely be a bit revolutionary.