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Wonder Woman Is Getting A Second Ongoing Comic At DC Comics. It’s Called Superman/Wonder Woman.


Here’s our first look from IGN.com.  It will be written by Charles Soule and illustrated by Tony Daniel. It is said to explore their “budding relationship” and serves as Wonder Woman’s first secondary, ongoing title in 61 years.

(via DC Women Kicking Ass)

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  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    More things our daughters will have to retcon one day. Well, it will keep them busy.

  • Anonymous

    “Superman’s dynamic with Lois Lane is getting rave reviews in a movie that made 200 million dollars worldwide in it’s first weekend!” “What’s the logical step?” “Launch a book with Lois nowhere in sight and Wonder Woman as Superman’s new girlfriend!”
    Seriously, even the negative reviews all said Lois was the best part of that movie.

  • Joshua S. MacDougall

    It should be called Wonder Woman / Superman

  • Anonymous

    Well, at least it doesn’t look like he’s trying to break her back…

  • Anonymous

    Love that she’s getting more exposure, however I would be more into the idea if it was a Batwoman/Wonder Woman book written by Greg Rucka.

  • Neal

    Looking at that cover, there doesn’t seem to be much “budding” going on. Rather past that stage.

  • sharmylae

    really not impressed here. :/ unless it’s gonna be all about how their relationship keeps getting interrupted by having to save the world. “hey honey happy anni—oh wait, someone is trying to destroy the white house, let’s go do that instead.”

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Not sons, though. Boys and men don’t read comics.

  • Anonymous

    Well sometimes they do, but everyone knows it’s just to pick up chicks. Curse you, Fake Geek Guys! /shakes fist

  • Anonymous

    Of course logically, now they’ll have to do Wonder Woman/Batman and Batman/Superman. Like Life With Archie, but each issue explores how the different relationships affect their mutual supervillains.

  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    Daughters and women have a shared responsibility of maintaining and uplifting feminist icons. Wonder Woman and other female superheroes fit into that category.

  • .GONNY

    Cautiously optimistic as Charles Soule has proven to be a very thoughtful writer in everything I’ve read from him so far. My guess is it will depend on whether the book is an editorially driven one that Soule essentially scripts, or something where his voice is able to break through.

  • Anonymous

    As a man I feel it’s also a real man’s responsibility of maintaining and uplifting feminist icons as well.

  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    That is awesome; I agree. I do think this is one area where women should take the lead, though, as representatives of the oppressed class.

  • http://www.commonplacebook.com electrasteph

    I would read that Batman/Superman romance. Although I do prefer Lois/Clark, Clark/Bruce would be a fun fling.

  • Anonymous

    DC, stop trying to make Wonder Woman and Superman happen. It’s never gonna happen.

  • RodimusBen

    Over a decade of superhero movie blockbusters have proven that successful films do not drive new readers to the comic shops, despite the efforts of many companies and creative people. I don’t blame them one bit for not even bothering to synchronize anymore.

  • RodimusBen

    There’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea of a Superman/Wonder
    Woman romance, as long as they are treated as equals and it’s not just
    written from Superman’s perspective. As with all changes in comics, this
    one is temporary, and it will eventually come back to Clark/Lois.

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    *Groan*

  • Bianca Gallegly Horkan

    Yes…this!!

  • Bianca Gallegly Horkan

    No. Just, no.

  • Dan Griffin

    Wow, this is like the first time in a long time WW has two titles and she has to share one with another hero. Ugh.

  • rtuko

    Oh, nice. One of the few female characters in DC to have her own title and is awesome in her own right, and now she’s relegated to “Superman’s girlfriend.” DC’s total incompetence at handling women characters (or basically, anyone who’s not a straight white male) is basically why I’m all Marvel’s.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    As a constant reader of the ongoing Wonder Woman series, I don’t see the character I’ve been reading about present in that poster. However, I didn’t much care for Ultimate Universe Peter Parker being railroaded simply (and I am saying this based on the perceived methods that Marvel was using to promote the change) because Marvel was attempting to be seen as progressive. However, that story was and continues to be great and is, honestly, the only reason I’m still hanging on to the Ultimate line. Pete’s passing was handled with grace and his spiritual successor, Miles, has an interesting story all his own and and an interesting niche in the expanded universe. So, I guess my point is that this could just be marketed poorly…although, like I said, where’s my Greek pantheon horror/fantasy/action?

  • TKS

    “Hey, Jerry?”
    “Yeah, Bill?”
    “Are people going to be mad about this whole “Wonder Woman is only in a second book because she acts as an accessory to Superman” thing?
    “Hmm, you may have a point Bill.”
    “What should we do.”
    “Lets make Wonder Woman’s torso the same width as Superman’s arm.”
    “How will that fix anything?”
    “What do you mean, “fix?”

  • TKS

    Raise your hand if you’ve ever been victimized by DC.

  • TKS

    I am sad not more people got this satire.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    My curse is my relentless subtlety and inconspicuous nature.

  • foolish tree films

    .GONNY – what else has Soule written that you’ve been impressed with?

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Umm, does this really count as a Wonder Woman comic? I mean, sure shes in the title but…

  • Travis

    That would actually be hilarious. Superman and Wonder Woman have a spat and it leads to an awkward situation when Wonder Woman has to stop Parasite or something.

  • Sarah

    Goddammit. I love Wonder Woman’s solo title and would love to see some Wondy action in a setting not filled with Greek gods. Loved her in the Batwoman crossover! My box is steadily becoming more Marvel. DC why do you not want my money?

  • Mark Brown

    Now now, let’s be honest.

    DC’s pretty incompetent at handling ALL their characters.

  • .GONNY

    Soule’s work on STRANGE ATTRACTORS with Greg Scott is what has impressed me most. Both that and 27 (with Renzo Podesta) are based on high concepts that pull you in right away — though I enjoyed STRANGE ATTRACTORS more because I felt the character work was stronger. If you enjoy the non-superhero offerings of Greg Rucka or Brian Wood, you might enjoy SA, too.

    Additionally, his run on SWAMP THING so far has been encouraging. His take on Superman in issue #20 felt a lot like the pre-New 52 Superman, which was a nod I enjoyed. (I’m not reading any Superman books at all right now, so I could be way off-base.)

  • Anonymous

    Might also be that the comics tend to suck. And I love the medium. Ticks me off. I love the characters, too. Marvel and DC squander the good will of an army of geeks and nerds and even general interest outsiders by putting out junk.

  • foolish tree films

    Thanks for the tips. I like Rucka and Wood all right, although they don’t make me squee.

    Thanks for the tips!

  • Anonymous

    > Hey, there’s all kinds of stuff on the internet about girls reading comic books. What do we do?

    - Girls? Reading COMICS? That’s bull. But if you’ve got your panties in a twist about it, just make something with romance. Everyone knows girls are only interested in romance.

    > Yes, but which characters? What pairing?

    - Well, we have the latest Superman movie out. Boys will probably drag their girlfriends to it, so cash in on that.

    > Yes! Perfect! Superman and Lois Lane! It’s a classic rom-

    - NO! Lois Lane? Really? I mean she’s OK, I guess, if you’re into bossy chicks who think they can do a man’s job. Nah, stick him with Wonder Woman! That’s TWO properties we can cash in on!

    > But… He’s with Lois Lane in the movie. And it’s tradition. Won’t that confuse them?

    - Tch! Like they’ll even notice. They’re GIRLS. Besides, Wonder Woman is this hot Amazon chick who runs around in skimpy outfits and kicks ass. It’ll look more, uh.. what’s the word?

    > Softcore?

    - Empowering! That’s it. Girls will feel more empowered if Supes is with some sexy warrior princess chick with an impossible figure and a magical spine!

    > Well, I guess she IS more flexible than Lois, but-

    - Yeah, she’s got the better butt, too. So that’s it: dump the dowdy human girlfriend for the superhot superhuman chick.

    > Riiight…

    - The BEST part is it’ll appeal to our REAL audience, too: straight white guys! You can play around with your little rumors about girls reading comics, but in the end it’s the GUYS who count and they’ll LOVE Supes and Wonder Woman together. Not just cuz of her skimpy outfits and bondage lasso, but because of what ELSE we’ll be able to add.

    > Which is?

    - SUPER SEX! Wow! Those nerdy little fanboys will fap themselves dry over this! It’s brilliant! We should have thought of this years ago! Call in the team and get them on this right now!

    (Sorry, is my cynicism showing again?)

  • RodimusBen

    I won’t deny that’s often the case. It definitely takes some research and experimentation if you want to separate the wheat from the chaff in the comics medium.

  • Mina

    Oh! Um. Well……

    I mean, it’s just not the comic book I was looking for.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t even know how to defend DC anymore.

  • Anonymous

    There *is* something inherently wrong about it. And that’s one of the very few long-standing strong female super-hero of comic books is turned into a dude’s love interest. The title makes it pretty clear: it’s not a Wonder Woman story.

  • Laura Truxillo

    Y’know, this all might be more tolerable if DC did as much blatant slash fanservice with 52 Clark and Bruce as Marvel does with Steve and Tony.

    Probably not. But…well, maybe a bit?

  • Laura Truxillo

    Wouldn’t it be cool if it was? And if it was a platonic friends-and-partners relationship like the Batman/Superman title was? Where they could be comrades fighting crime and have that relationship be explored without needing to make the only woman in the trinity justify her position by being in a relationship with one of the dudes in the trinity?*

    *(I say that, but then I loved JLU’s Diana/Bruce, but partially because it never fully happened and partially because it never made Diana feel like the accessory.)

  • Laura Truxillo

    “Seriously, even the negative reviews all said Lois was the best part of that movie.”

    Really? That harkens back to DKR and even the grumpy reviews saying Selina was the best thing about it. Maybe time for studios to pay attention and make a REAL movie starring a super-lady?

  • Dryad

    As someone who just reads Wonder Woman, as opposed to Justice League, I kind of already knew she was dating Superman but I had no idea where she was finding the time with all the stuff going on in her own book.

  • Dryad

    “Wanna hook up? I’m getting pretty sick of Steve ‘waah, waah, my pelvis is still shattered from last time’ Trevor’s BS.”

    “Yeah, there’s like two women on this planet who can do it with me without needing some kind of mechanical exoskeleton. And the other one is my cousin. So sure!”

  • RodimusBen

    Much in the way Superman/Batman wasn’t a Batman story? Right, sure. So tell me why a Supes/WW romance is inherently wrong. I would love to hear why this particular combination of two characters should be verboten.

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    I guess there isn’t, and ship what you ship and all that. But the way this has been handled…I mean they’ve repeatedly presented Diana as ‘Superman’s new girlfriend’ in all the publicity, she seems to be written as ditzy and naive in the comics I’ve seen with them together, the stories about their relationship keep being told from his point of view. On top of that they seem to be using this as an excuse to derail and ignore Lois’ character, and they’ve just re-introduced Steve Trevor and are yet again not exploring his relationship with Diana, which they’ve been wimping out of for years because they’re too cowardly to have an iconic relationship where a woman is more powerful and more important than a man.
    I honestly can’t see an upside to this, and having Wonder Woman’s first second title in decades be one where her name comes after Superman’s isn’t making me like it more.

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    I try to leave but I keep coming back! Maybe we can set up some sort of help group.

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    They fit like a hand in a glove!

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    Has the new 52 made DC stop slashing Batman and Superman? Sad now.

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    Can’t they just go and read a romance novel or something?

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I said I would leave when they talked about the New 52 and when they ended Hellblazer and added John Constantine to the new universe, but that was TWO years ago. What am I going to do with myself if I leave DC now? Start over? Where? Where can I possibly go? Who will love my money now?

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Why should you lot get to dominate every other genre? Some of us don’t read romance and would rather read a good adventure story. If only there were more male authors we wouldn’t have to look to bodice rippers for decent male characterization.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Only because he’s drunk and doesn’t know where he is. Look at his punched in nose. It’s beat red. That’s totally Sunday Morning Comics for drunk. He’s ripped and she’s the only thing holding him upright at the moment.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    That makes a sad sort of sense.

  • secret of the ooze

    Hell yeah. Their team-up in Batwoman’s book was great and I would’ve loved to see more.

  • Veronica Cristina

    a shipper book for the worst ship of the reboot, thank U DC for listen your fans

  • http://twitter.com/Graveyard_Gang Rich Clabaugh

    I loved the Diana/Bruce thing in JLU too, had a nice low simmer, except in that great one when they were kids.

  • Anonymous

    I would rather impale myself on something then read a book where Superman and Wonder Woman have sex.

    I miss Lois and Clark.

  • http://melancholywise.tumblr.com/ Sophie

    GET BACK IN THE SANDWICH!…no wait MAKE ME A KITCHEN! Wait that’s not it either. You masculinists ruin everything.

  • Veronica Cristina

    for me is incest, they llok like sinblings. And the writer when asked if they will use more civilian clothes or superheroe clothes, he said that maybe no clothes. gross

  • Veronica Cristina

    you can send your money to my paypal ;)

  • Veronica Cristina

    that worked for walking dead, easy to read, it’s only a series without thousands of spin offs

  • Jamie Jeans

    Oh look, another title I couldn’t give a shit about that DC is making based on a pairing that is so utterly boring and banal…

    Nice to further reduce Wonder Woman, DC Comics, idiots…

  • Jen Rock

    I love everything that’s happening in this thread.

  • Jen Rock

    I think you can be a strong female character and still have a sexy time with your boyfriend… I just don’t think DC will actually manage to do that. Also someone needs to tell them that straddling like that can really throw a girl’s hip out.

  • Anonymous

    Actually…there is. There are legitimate, serious reasons why the relationship is WRONG WRONG WRONG. (And they are secondary to the fact that it’s just so f***ing boring.)
    The relationship is problematic to people because it disrespects, at it’s core, not only the creator’s visions for both characters but some of the VITAL aspects of both mythos. It’s completely in contrast with the whole POINT of Wonder Woman and has been openly derided by the Siegel estate—they believe it disrespects Siegel’s vision of Superman. (As if the Siegels have not been through enough.)

    It assumes that both of these characters would be as shallow about “equality” as we might be as opposed to recognizing they are both incredible people who see beauty and love in people who’s special qualties might be less obvious to others.
    It negates Wonder Woman’s ability to be the star of her own narrative and encourages the general public to see her as an appendage of Superman’s narrative. It negates the point of Diana’s mission which is to come to the world of man and inspire HUMANS as an ambassador by implying that the only man who can “satisfy” her is an alien. It negates Clark Kent’s dual identity as both man/hero as it removes him from the position of being madly in love with a mortal while he straddles the challenge of secret identity and superheroism. It disrespects Clark Kent being raised by the Kents as it perpetuates the idea that though he was raised by two mortals who took a chance on him and loved without fear even though they had no guarantee of their safety by implying that Clark isn’t brave enough to do the same.

    It presents uncomfortable, patriarchal, degrading views about sex as it encourages men to perpeuate this idea that women should be able to “take” however hard a man wants to pound into them as opposed to the idea that a man that loves you would be capable of being gentle if you asked him to. It equates Lois and Diana as being nothing more than the strength of their vaginas. It encourages men to view Diana as a sex object in the male gaze and as the “hottest girl” worthy of Superman. It degrades Lois Lane’s humanity and will of steel by implying that she’s not worthy of a god because she’s flawed and human despite her incredible accomplishments. It suggests abelism as it implies that those with physical gifts somehow “better” than those without physical gifts. It degrades the two most famous women in comics and pits them against each other over a f***ing man.

    When people say they are against this relationship, there actually ARE reasons and they are legit gendered reasons WHY. This relationship is patriarchy in action. It puts a penis between two of the strongest, most iconic women in fiction and takes one of the most feminist MALE characters to ever exist and makes him just like every other dude.

  • Anonymous

    Right. I’m sick of people acting like this incredibly offensive premise can be “fixed” with good writing.
    WRONG. The concept of this relationship full stop says horrible things about both the Wonder Woman and Superman mythos. It takes two mythos rooted on very specific and important themes and craps all over them.
    It doesn’t matter how good the writing is. It’s WRONG.

  • Anonymous

    The thing that is really upsetting is that Lois Lane managed to exist for the last 30 years as Superman’s gf/fiance/WIFE without turning into an object or prize. She had good writers and bad writers but the reality is that bc Lois Lane was not a literal goddess….the love that she and Clark shared seemed more pure. She complimented him as this amazing career woman and they had intense passion that wasn’t rooted in the patricarhy.
    But with Diana…she becomes this trophy in a bathing suit. She’s the “hotter” girl that DC dumped Superman’s wife for.
    It’s just….sad.

  • Anonymous

    I’d love to read a great romance story. With Lois and Clark. Not with these two.

  • Anonymous

    Of course you can. Lois Lane was incredibly strong and she and Clark had plenty of sex. I don’t think anyone objects to Diana having sex. I think they object to her having sex with Superman.

  • Anonymous

    No, it should be called Wonder Woman/Wonder Woman and/or Superman/Lois Lane.

  • Anonymous

    To me it’s not about DC shipping Wonder Woman and Superman (even though I do prefer Wonder Woman and Batman, but that’s just me). It’s about Wonder Woman getting her own books for a change. Her own covers. Her own story where she doesn’t have to share the spotlight with her boyfriend. I mean we get some kinda male-lead revamp every other year, but we can’t get a Wonder Woman only series? That’s lame.

  • Dave

    I’m still disappointed Batman/Superman: Apocalypse wasn’t about their painful break-up.

    Although I wasn’t disappointed that half the movie was about Wonder Woman kicking ass with Big Barda.

  • Veronica Cristina

    Jack ‏@KnowhereMan_23h

    @CharlesSoule Will we see more in Superhero outfits? Or civies?

    Charles Soule ‏@CharlesSoule23h

    @KnowhereMan_ A good mix – and sometimes they’ll be wearing neither.

    yeah more fan wank

  • Alexa

    I will say that I am not terribly bugged by this pairing, but I completely understand why people hate it. Its unnecessary and the way it was presented last year felt like a total cash grab, since people found out about it even before the comic came out. I would have respected it way more if they kept it quiet and it was a surprise. And also while Lois and Superman have been together forever, they should stay together since their pairing is in many respects eternal, since the creator Jerry Siegel actually married the model for Lois, and they were together until his death. So yeah, this pairing, even though I sort of personally find it interesting, is kind of insulting to the memory of the creator. Just saying. And if you want it to make it work you better make sure you make them equals and have some damn good writing, and not under any circumstances make this relationship resemble what Frank Miller created with The Dark Knight Returns sequel and All Star Batman and Robin.

  • Veronica Cristina

    for me seems that she only can have sex with superman. first time that we will see a sexual relationship from her and it is superman. shit

  • RodimusBen

    Mary, I would agree with many of the points you are making if I thought that the relationship was going to be permanent. You are right that both characters lose something by being together, and you cite many concrete examples of that. But like so many things in comics, I am completely confident that this will be a temporary thing– maybe a couple of years or so– and then when the novelty of a Supes/WW relationship has worn off, they’ll switch things up again. Clark Kent/Lois Lane is one of those norms of comics that is never going to go away permanently.

    I’m trying to keep a balanced perspective living in a post-New 52 DC Universe. I regret many, if not most of the changes that were made in 2011, and the dissolution of Lois & Clark is one of them. I also have no personal interest in a romance between Clark and Diana– as many have said before, it seems more like fanfiction than canon. But if I look at it rationally, I can’t find anything inherently wrong with the romance on a temporary basis, whether it’s to my taste or not.

    As for the new comic series, I’m not encouraged by some of the info coming from the creative team suggesting that it’s going to be big on the sex angle. I read superhero comics to watch good guys fight bad guys. There’s also no denying that, historically, it will put the female half of the couple into the submissive/sex object position. But again, thinking objectively, that kind of treatment is not intrinsic to any comic that’s based on a coupling– it depends on the writer and editorial mandates (I’m sure we agree that there’s little reason to be optimistic in this case).

    In an ideal world, WW would have two or more completely independent books on her own just like the boys. I know I would buy them. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t have to worry every time she got in a relationship, with anyone, that she would be reduced to a submissive role by bad male writers who lack perspective. But as regrettable as it is, the reality is that her book doesn’t sell well enough for DC to justify a second independent title, and frankly I don’t think the Superman/Wonder Woman book will last very long either.

    One of the things I like about American comics is that there is always a chance for a character to round a corner if we’re unhappy with what’s being done with him or her now. For every Charles Soule there’s a chance for a Greg Rucka or a George Perez to swoop in and make things right again. For now, I will have to vote with my dollar and patiently wait to be rescued.

  • Saima

    Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa!

    Superman and Lois Lane should be together! That’s how it’s always been!

    If it isn’t broken, please don’t fix it.

  • FossITus

    You really make me sick. You’ve learned nothing from your
    mistakes. Preferring Wonder Woman with Batman is incredibly sexist,
    conformist
    & hypocritically shallow. We lost 75 years of history for The New
    52 on the account of your selfish, immature behavior. You want every DC
    character to act as dark and brooding as your precious Dark Knight.
    Haven’t you Bat-Maniacs done enough damage in humiliating
    & messing up WW’s struggling franchise for one lifetime?

  • Laura Truxillo

    What…what the hell? Dude, are you some kind of troll digging around through four months to be nasty at people, or do you legitimately have a reading and thinking problem? I liked them in JLU. I even said that I’d rather have her NOT be in a relationship, just that I liked them in JLU because it never became a defining thing.

    (Seven hells, I guess I take offense because I’m not much of a Batman fan, and I hate the loss of history and the dark, brooding attitude of the nu52. Which is what makes me think you’re some kind of putting-way-too-much-effort into this troll.)

    You’ve got issues, buddy. You need to sit down, take a few deep breaths, and wonder about what you’re doing with your life and why being unpleasant to people and calling them names for nothing at all makes you happy.