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Steven Moffat Says We Probably Won’t See More Of The Best Thing To Come Out Of The Doctor Who 50th Celebrations


We had a few big surprises during the Doctor Who 50th anniversary celebrations. Surprises which got Whovians very excited. Considering the buzz, fans thought they might be able to get some more of that thing they liked so much by starting a petition. However, it doesn’t look like showrunner Steven Moffat plans on acquiescing anytime soon. Find out more after the jump including which classic Doctor is still a bit miffed about having been left out of the main event. 

The petition to get Paul McGann, previously only the Doctor in a 1996 movie and audio plays, his own live-action series currently has close to 17,000 signatures. Matthew Jacobs was the writer of that TV movie and couldn’t have been happier about McGann getting utilized the way he did. He spoke with Stand By For Mind Control:

Actually [it's] quite moving. The die-hard fans have always loved Paul’s incarnation, but the majority of the now massive worldwide audience that follows the show doesn’t really know him. So Moffat using Paul McGann to set up the 50th has taken McGann’s Doctor right into the spotlight again…Today, a massive group petitioning for the eighth Doctor to have his own series has approached me. But then that’s what the show is about… resurrection! Except it’s not just the second coming or a third. I guess as long as the ratings stay high this sci-fi messiah is on a loop… Does that sound really cheap? Who cares; I like it!

But it seems not everyone is keen to continue down memory lane, as it were. Digital Spy reported on Moffat being asked about multiple Doctors at the official Doctor Who Celebration at London’s ExCel.

“One Doctor at a time is the real rule – ‘Who would be on the lunchbox?’ is always my question when we talk about having more than one Doctor.”

Moffat added that Doctor Who will now return “militantly” to the idea of featuring just one Doctor at a time.

“I have a slight paranoia that at the moment it seems like every bugger’s playing the Doctor – more or less all of Equity!” he joked. “Quite soon, it’s going to go back to… ‘There is one Doctor and that’s who he is’ – he’s one man with many faces, he’s not a committee of people with unusual hair.”

But if it’s unclear whether or not Moffat was specifically speaking about McGann and not just the three Doctors in “The Day of the Doctor,” here’s some possible clarification thanks to an interview with Flicks and the City:

You know what’s really important with The Night of the Doctor? It’s not that it was Paul McGann – brilliant as he was – it’s that you had a bloody surprise! You know back in the day we used to do those! …And I’d like to do that again…I think this will usher in not so much a Paul McGann mini-series but usher in more minisodes, and I think we should take them more seriously than we used to. Night was the first one we’ve actually said, ‘Let’s make a high production value belter and let’s give them a surprise!…You can count on us doing something like that again, but we won’t tell you when! I’ve actually told the BBC, ‘if we do it again we’re doing it in Cardiff and we’re not even telling you what we’re doing and we’ll give you it on the day’…

Firstly, I just have to say – YES IT WAS THAT IT WAS PAUL MCGANN. Ahem. But seriously, while the surprise played a huge part in it, the fact that they decided to use the 8th Doctor was a huge freaking deal. But I agree with Moffat, more minisodes! While I would prefer for McGann to get a whole series of them, minisodes are a great place to give fan favorites some air time (*cough*Madame Vastra*cough*).

Unfortunately, not everyone is pleased with how the Doctor Who anniversary celebrations shook out. While 6th Doctor Colin Baker took part in “The Five(ish) Doctors” special, he really would have loved to be a part of “The Day of the Doctor.” According to a report on The Mirror, Baker said:

All or none, that’s what I would have thought…I know Tom did it longer than anybody else and he’s the oldest Doctor but by asking him and not us, it makes you feel like a second class citizen…Peter Davison, the fifth Doctor, said way back that they were not going to have us in the special. At the time, we didn’t know that Tom was in it which was slightly irritating…Even though I don’t look the same, none of us look exactly the same, it would have been nice to get a small part in it – to give back to the fans.

As much as Moffat insisted the anniversary wasn’t about looking to the past but to the future, it was about both. “The Day of the Doctor” was filled with references to the show’s past and I agree with Baker, it would have been nice for all of the living Doctors to be included, even if it wasn’t as the Doctor.

(via Doctor Who TV, Doctor Who TV)

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  • http://www.twopintsofmilkandapacketofteabags.blogspot.co.uk/ Heather Louise Kincaid
  • Anonymous

    “A committee of people with unusual hair” is pretty good line. And yes, it *was* all about the Paul McGann, you lunatic. The only other actor who could have garnered that kind of fandom glee would have been the 9th Doctor…but even then, I think that would have been less exciting than a revisit from a doctor that the series seems to have (at least in live action) forgotten. Which is bizarre, because as someone pointed out, the man has aged very well. Why not use that?!

  • Travis

    Wait… he didn’t even ask?

    WTF. Every time I hear something else about the 50th Anniversary, I hate Moffat a little bit more.

  • Jesse

    In all honesty. Where do you put 5,6, and 7? In the narrative of the episode where do they fit?

    I’m a fan of classic who even more then modern and…I don’t see it. And Colin, really, I love him to death but needs to stop. He was involved with multiple 50th productions, He was in “Light at The End” AND “The 5(ish) Doctors” and remember that 5(ish) Doctors was produced by Moffat. (and written by Davison).

    Even the “New Kids” Smith and Tennant were only involved in the Day of The Doctor and The 5(ish) Doctors.

  • Teamugs

    I actually agree with Moffat. Each Doctor gets their era as their moment to shine and have it be about them and how they play the Doctor. Having multiple Doctors featured at the same time with new material would be distracting and seem erratic. It is unfortunate that McGann’s time to be the Doctor was cut short and that he didn’t star in the highest quality of productions but Doctor Who has also moved past him. It’s Peter Capaldi’s time now. McGann lives on in Big Finish.

  • Teamugs

    I agree. The special was not that long and there would be little for them to do beyond the briefest of cameos. The special was really about wrapping up a plot introduced in New Who, the Time War, and the effects that it has had on this entire revival era. In that sense, the older Doctors don’t really fit. Tom Baker was pretty much a metaphysical cameo.

  • Anonymous

    its not a parade, doctor celery, its a television program – if they thought it would have been better by including you, and everyone else, then they would have. your tenure does not give you the right to second guess, or even first guess, really…you are beloved, you know that, we know that, but i, for one, dont feel as though anything more needed to be “given back” to this fan.

  • Anonymous

    …. Briefest of cameos works out fine. Standing in a background shot or playing a bit role always a good option for throw-away cameos. It doesn’t distract from the narrative and it pleases the fans who spot them.

  • Kelvin Q. Nguyen

    I originally thought they had used new audio over archive footage recorded by the surviving Doctors, but after I watched the Five Doctors, I realized it was also archive audio (the only new audio was the 1st Doctor I think). A bit of a shame on their part really.

  • Anonymous

    A) Fans seem to be able to keep up with multiple Doctorish programs running simultaneously ie Torchwood. b) I think as long as there’s one Doctor per medium I think we’ll be ok – so Maybe not 2 TV shows, but some minisodes or a Podcast or something with Doctor 8 would be fine.

  • Alyson L

    He is an optimal choice for doing mini-episodes with because he was only the doctor one time and his life after the movie is a mystery. I have this dream of him meeting River – didn’t she say in Silence that she knew all his faces.

  • Teamugs

    Torchwood doesn’t feature the Doctor, though. That’s a huge difference. There’s really no expectation to acknowledge things that happen in Torchwood in Who (thank god, imo) which might be harder if it’s two BBC shows featuring two different Doctors as he is one person and things would need to match up and still seem linear. That said, I think the BBC really just wants to focus on one Doctor as a time for the image of the era and focus on his press, episodes, merchandise etc. If you want a podcast with Doctor Who it already exists, it’s called Big Finish audio dramas.

  • Mark Matson

    Digital effects can also make people look a lot younger. (That was the one good part of the third X-Men movie.) The final scene should have included the real actors still living and willing piloting their own tartusses. Even just a second or two each would have meant a lot to many, many people.

  • Mark Matson

    He can’t meet River, at least not in a way he remembers, as we already have the Doctor’s first meeting with her documented. River knows all his faces because she studied him.

  • Mark Matson

    I get Moffat’s point, but believe a web series of McGann would work out quite well. I agree separating the medium would make a big difference. The Time War would be a very interesting backdrop.

    Also, don’t put Moffat in control.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    I always figured they could be “featured extras” in the special. Perhaps a guard of Queen Elizabeth or in the crowd as the TARDIS is being flown in. They wouldn’t have needed to be worked into the plot or presented as Doctors, just regular folks.

  • Alyson L

    Yeah I know, but even for a second like a passing on the street. She also tells him that his eyes are younger then she has ever seen them.

  • Anonymous

    I enjoyed Day Of The Doctor massively – the first time I’ve enjoyed Who in a few years now – and a lot of the supporting ephemera such as The Five(ish) Doctors and Night of The Doctor.

    But it didn’t affect my expectations about Moffat’s continuing reign one white. I already knew he was capable of pulling the occasional blinder writing-wise (sometimes an episode is so good it can even persuade one to overlook the sexism, racism, homophobia and collection of other problems Moffat’s writing fairly inevitably contains.

    It’s depressing, though not at all unxpected, to be returned to earth with a bump as we hear more out of the Moff that hints at more of the same complacent, messy, insular, self-regarding and problematic showrunning and writing that we’ve had for the past several years.

  • Anonymous

    I like the way they managed to get Tom Baker in. But you can only bend the rules so far before they snap. Even a Stan Lee-esque cameo would have been difficult, simply because we didn’t see many people, and even fewer places where you would see men of their age. Like they wouldn’t be troopers on Gallifrey, U.N.I.T. soldiers, or the queen’s guards, which leaves either random Gallifreian citizens, or the crowd as the TARDIS lands. It was very focused. So while it would have been cool to see them all together, it just wouldn’t have made sense. About the best they could have done would be get them all in to record new dialogue for the climax, and just not shown them while they were speeking (show footage of them from behind for instance). I suppose they could have done the scene at the end differently, made it quasi-separate from the actual show, and used the actual actors instead of CGI. But I don’t know how well that would have worked.

    In any case, I thought the special thing the 3 of them made was perfect. The BBC should have aired that with the 50th episode, along with the Night of the Doctor. I saw it in the theater, and it only had the behind the scenes special. Having all the special productions shown at the same time would have made it complete.

    As for McGann, I think they could easily do webisodes with him. I agree that a second series would be too much, but weekly youtube videos would be perfect.

  • Nirali

    I’m generally the last person to say this, but I agree with Moffat.

  • Anonymous

    Except not all of his life after the movie *is* a mystery.

    There is a *excellent* series of audio dramas done by Big Finish productions, which show precisely how good McGann could’ve been in a television series, and which—by virtue of the Night of the Doctor—seem to have been picked up into mainline canon.

    To wit: his companions in the audio dramas were Charlotte “Charley” Pollard, C’rizz, Lucie Miller, Tamsin Drew and Molly O’Sullivan. And in the Night of the Doctor, as Eight regenerates, he reminisces about “Charley! C’rizz! Lucie! Tamsin! Molly!”, thus implying the various audio adventures—Storm Warning, Minuet in Hell, Chimes of Midnight, etc.—are in fact part of the accepted timeline now.

  • Anonymous

    If I’m interpreting the “Doctor Celery” comment there correctly, you’re thinking of the wrong Doctor. Peter Davison played the Fifth Doctor, and was the one with the celery; Colin Baker played the Sixth Doctor, who had the technicolor patchwork coat.

  • Anonymous

    aahh, i saw davison’s name bolded in the quote and became confused, thank you. the whole thing does seem a bit out of character for davison, now that my ire has cooled a bit.

  • Erin Treat

    The BBC has a lot of air to fill throughout the year that is oftentimes filled with some pretty lame shows. I think it would be amazing to give McGann something. How about a series format like Sherlock? Three or so long episodes. They wouldn’t have to air at the same time as Doctor who proper does.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.schmitt#!/ David R. Schmitt

    “Having multiple Doctors featured at the same time with new material would be distracting and seem erratic.”

    Sorry, doesn’t jive with me. Fans can keep up, and if it’s minisodes we’re talking you can choose to ignore it and just keep watching the televised eps.

  • Teamugs

    You have to remember that a large part of the Who viewing audience are not fans and are more casual viewers or younger viewers though. I agree that it could be done to please the fans but the BBC needs the views of that general audience as well. Which is why they tend to focus on developing and showcasing one Doctor at a time while things like Big Finish can focus more on the fans.

  • Anthony Pirtle

    I agree. I absolutely love classic Doctor Who to death, but this episode was about the War Doctor looking into his own future. Tom Baker’s cameo was the nod to the classic series, and that seemed just fine to me. Colin Baker was pleased as punch to be able to participate in The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot, and now he just seems miffed that Tom got a cameo in the special and he didn’t. That’s just petty. Could Moffat have shoved Davidson, Baker and McCoy into meaningless extra roles? Of course. But I don’t think the episode suffered from not having them sandwiched into the thing just for the sake of doing it.

  • Anthony Pirtle

    I’ve just started listening to the audio Eighth Doctor Adventures from Big Finish and he is brilliant, the best of the five former Doctors currently recording for them, but that should really be McGann’s place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    A while back, there was an audio drama series that was called something like ‘tales of doctor who’ or something that would do standalone episodes featuring different doctors as a means of delivering new stories that could fit into prestablished cannon.

    Something like that would hardly ever be able to work as a regularly occuring thing but consideering how sparsly Doctor Who has been shown of late, they could feasably pull off two or three episodes a year featuring retired doctors in a miniseries fashion

  • Vian Lawson

    No, Moffat, you gossoon; the reason you liked the McGann episode was that you managed to surprise us. The reason we liked it is because Paul Goddamn McGann. He was a much better doctor than his only film outing allowed him to be, especially in the radio plays, and it’d be lovely to see more of him.

  • Anonymous

    A McGann mini series or TV movie along these lines would work fine to keep the show noticed between the increasingly long breaks the show’s been doing, and certainly could be used to set up new characters/monsters for Capaldi later.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if Moffat would have time, regardless. I like this idea, but the franchise is Moffat’s to do with as he pleases unless the BBC strenuously objects to something drastic. I like his era, on the whole more than I did Russell T Davies’, even if I have my reservations creeping in over the last two years. However, after overseeing a pretty lovely 50th Anniversary that included the return of McGann, a well-received anniversary special, “The Five(ish) Doctors,” “An Adventure in Space and Time,” weaving in the Great Intelligence for series 7 to celebrate the return of “The Web of Fear” and still managing to bring back Tom Baker for a sweet cameo, I’d say the man has more than earned his latitude for the rest of his run.

  • Anonymous

    At least partially because there was supposed to be a big character arc, which was cut short. So you get one of the more uneven series.

  • Anonymous

    If we’re going that route, he’s already been in several of the radio series. He only got one episode, but plenty of spinoff material.

  • Anonymous

    Digital effects still make people look like mannequins. X-Men, Surrogates, Terminator: Salvation and Tron: Legacy were not convincing with far bigger budgets than Doctor Who can afford to waste time with. I would not have minded seeing Colin Baker, Davison and McCoy in cameos, but Colin would have needed more than just a wig and some digital vaseline on the lens for the kind of shot you wanted, and we got “The Five(ish) Doctors” as a sweet little BBC-funded consolation.

  • Anonymous

    The Fourth Doctor’s audio was recorded by a soundalike, I think.

  • Anonymous

    “In all honesty. Where do you put 5,6, and 7? In the narrative of the episode where do they fit?”

    Moffat could have fit them in pretty easily, I would think. In the scene that featured all of the Doctors, where they were explaining what they were doing…splice in footage of 4-7, with a line about the time differential being shorted out, or something, to explain the aging. Would have been easy.

  • Elias Algorithm

    There was an animated Doctor Who project a while back. Just a fan thing done in an anime style. Took a long time to do it, but I think it was just one guy pulling it together in his spare time. It looked pretty good.

  • Elias Algorithm

    True. Night of the Doctor got around it by obscuring the reflection just enough but you can’t do that for a whole episode.

  • Elias Algorithm

    Which would be odd because it isn’t as if his voice has changed much. Most people immediately recognized his voice at the end before even seeing him.

  • Louie Louie

    I understand the sexism and other issues, but I’m not aware of any racism and homophobia in Moffat’s tenure? Maybe give some examples. I’m not saying you’re wrong, of course.

  • Louie Louie

    I can’t see why they didn’t record new dialogue featuring the past doctors when they had all 13 orbiting Gallifrey. They used archive footage to depict them, which was fairly convincing, but they could easily have recorded something for them to say.

  • Wonko The Sane

    I think that Moffat has lost touch with what the fans want. His efforts were very enjoyable but he’s only done half the job. It’s time to spin off, CSI-style, and create a McGann series, a Capaldi series and maybe even a rotating roster of the other surviving Doctors. As a marketer, I see this petition as a clear indicator or demand for more Doctor Who, and the popularity of the 50th anniversary is primarily due to the promise of previous Doctors appearing in it. Seriously, get with it Moffat, or we will petition to BBC to find someone who will run this better and deliver what people want.

    Wonko

  • Wonko The Sane

    He’s been battling the Time War. I’d be tired too!

  • Wonko The Sane

    That’s just crazy talk. 10M viewers. Get of the crack.

  • Teamugs

    Uh yes? And many of them are casual viewers, many probably just tuned in for the special and don’t watch regularly. What a comical overreaction.

  • Wonko The Sane

    Yeah, not looking forward to the return of the complacent, rushed stuff we’ve seen in last couple of seasons. Hopefully Capaldi’s era is different, but please “no more” of the same. (pun intended) ;-)

  • J Ritchey

    Torchwood was deliberately and markedly different from Who, aimed at a different demographic range (as was Sarah Jane Adventures). Part of what made it work was having a completely different flavor from the parent show, and that would be difficult while featuring another incarnation of he Doctor. They might be able to manage something with Madame Vastra or Jenny, though.

    I could see doing occasional one-offs (not continuing story lines) in the vein of the audio productions utilizing short format live action or animation featuring the various classic Doctors.

  • Anonymous

    I suspect it was a production issue. As far as I can see there was an opportunity for all 5 remaining classic Doctors to record a line of voiceover as they all were around the Cardiff studios for one of the 50th Anniversary stories. An editor or maybe even Moffat found the archive shots for that sequence and the dialogue snippets, with Hartnell needing a new line for exposition and Tom Baker being dubbed by a soundalike (perhaps no appropriate line was found that could be separated from music and/or sound effects in his stories). Now it’s possible no one wanted to trouble Doctors 5,6 and 7 for a line of ADR in case they were insulted, but since they also didn’t take 30 seconds on set to get a line from Paul McGann or Tom Baker either, I wonder if it just didn’t occur to anyone until it was too late. Maybe the audio lines for anyone besides Hartnell were a late addition.
    The last few years, “Doctor Who” has looked especially beautiful, but the attention to continuity detail by the actual production team has gotten sloppy. It’s a more glaring issue because Steven Moffat writes more complicated arcs than Russell T Davies did and so it’s easier to notice when things don’t gel properly in either his writing or in this case, the production. The most glaring issue lately was Clara Oswald’s silly leaf, a huge plot point… that completely changes plant species between episodes.
    Mistakes happen in production, perhaps this was one.

  • Anonymous

    I wrote a long winded theory on what might have happened above a bit, but basically I suspect it was just a production mistake. The director or editor or Moffat might have only come up with the idea for the other Doctors besides Hartnell and Eccleston to have lines after the shoot was over.

  • Anonymous

    This makes me crabby. I was just at Chicago TARDIS where C. Baker was charming, smart and had a lot of wonderful things to say about the 50th including the fact that he didn’t think he belonged in it. Notably that he didn’t look like he did all those years ago and it would look silly to have him be the Doctor. He also said his quotes got taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

    Let’s give this man a bit of credit and check our sources the Mary Sue. If they are from a tabloid maybe they aren’t the best representation of someone. Not cool- I love your site which normally has excellent and smart writing but this isn’t. British tabloids are notorious for taking this too far and portraying people in a bad light to get a bit of press.

  • Anonymous

    The point Moffat is trying to make is that the current actor playing the role of the Doctor hasn’t had to vy for the spotlight with another actor at the same time (barring special occasions like the 10th, 20th and 50th).

    It would be unfair for Peter Capaldi to have to compete with Paul McGann for the attention/affection of viewers. The only way I could see this possibly working is if Steven Moffat decides to do a mini series featuring the adventures of the Eighth Doctor after Capaldi’s first season has aired.

    The mini series would need to be aired outside the regular season or in between seasons eight and nine and promoted in such a way as to let viewers know that this is a once-off event. Perhaps aired over five nights like “Torchwood” Children Of Earth” but more likely to be done in two parts.

  • Elias Algorithm

    And really there’s no excuse to not have loads of stuff on the blu-ray.

  • Wonko The Sane

    I just did a quick survey of one, and the results were overwhelmingly supportive of my opinion. :-P

  • Wolverine

    You could have one doctor at a time if one of them becomes the Valeyard rather than the Doctor. Capaldi as Valeyard means McGann can be the Doctor again.

  • Wolverine

    there are the novels too which I would include, with companions such as Fitz…

  • Wolverine

    That’s a great idea and would really work..

  • Wolverine

    They could always try a minisode. Do his audios / novels sell well?

  • http://bytestemplar.com/ Fortyseven

    Kind of bizarre that he doesn’t recognize McGann as the reason the minisode worked so well. Sigh. Just when I was starting to relax.

  • Lani

    If only that would really work…

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, though I mentioned the audio dramas because the audio drama companions were specifically called out in “The Night of the Doctor” and thus are now referenced in main television-timeline canon. I don’t *think* any of the novel/comic companions were, though I may be misremembering.

  • Anonymous

    (You’re not wrong that Fitz was a great companion, though!)

  • Anonymous

    If you’re curious, Chris Coulson, there’s quite a wealth of writing and discussion about the matter online, not least on the Mary Sue. I’m surprised you wouldn’t have come across the argument before!

    Here’s just a small selection of summarising reading material to get you started: firstly, for a quick(ish) precis there’s a masterpost of problematica here
    (http://feministwhoniverse.tumblr.com/post/25598314408/steven-moffat-is-a-douchebag-the-masterlist).Then there’s this (http://stfu-moffat.tumblr.com/search/race) blog. One of my favourite articles about the problems with Steven Moffat’s writing is here (http://richardhcooper.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/steven-and-women-or-how-steven-moffat.html). Here’s another well-written one for good measure (http://io9.com/5022250/why-steven-moffat-isnt-all-that).

    The above links (or even just a quick google of ‘Steven Moffat misogyny’) will provide you with information on why many people feel this way about Moffat’s writing/showrunning.

    They also usually cover Sherlock as well, btw, so keep a look out for spoilers if you haven’t seen that show!

  • Anonymous

    I think the racism and homophobia. But then I think it’s harder to get away with racism on TV than sexism, and I think the reason for less homophobia is largely because there’s so little non-straight representation in the first place.

    The links I posted below for Chis Coulson cover these topics as well as the more obvious accusations of misogyny.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm… I can’t imagine why Capaldi’s era WOULD be different? The issues for me are very much with the showrunner/chief writer, not the actor. I suppose a fresh face in the main role (metaphorically speaking that is; Capaldi’s actual face is as craggy as Ben Nevis) might encourage freshness in the writing but I don’t hold out too much hope of it. Moffat has ploughed the same furrow irrespective of Doctor or season before, why would he change for Capaldi?

    I had previously hoped Moffat would leave before Smith, as I really like Matt Smith and feel he has potential beyond the range Moffat has written for him (I mean Smith hasn’t been exactly stretched gabbling techo-rot and goofing whimsically around, has he?).

    Since that hasn’t happened, I now instead hope that Moffat will leave during Capaladi’s tenure, so we get to see that great actor directed by a showrunner befitting of his abilities. Preferably SOON into Capaldi’s tenure, so another showrunner can set a new tone from the beginning of the new Doctor’s reign.

  • Anonymous

    Nice dream, but there’s a reason the BBC (or any comparable channel/s) fills a lot of its airtime with rubbish, and it’s not because they’re waiting for someone to come with a great idea for a new SF drama series.

    Drama – especially SF or fantasy, naturally – is vastly expensive to produce. That’s why comparitively few get made. And Paul McGann is A Name and therefore not a cheap TV actor. What you’re describing is primetime, flagship stuff. I’m not saying I wouldn’t like to see it, just that a set/costume/SFX-heavy drama show which primarily appeals to a contingent of existing DW fans is probably not where the Beeb is going to spend its limited drama budget, even if they wanted to.

  • Anonymous

    42 likes on Megan’s comment and someone called Wonko The Sane has replied to it? I knew it: Douglas IS watching over us.

  • http://shortstormtrooper.com/ Lee

    I always maintained that Matt Smith is an excellent Doctor drowned in terrible lacklustre writing. Given something interesting to do he could have really shined. Personally I’d rather see the Doctor being amazing rather than him or River just always telling people he is especially after fixing another thing with his sonic screwdriver….

  • Erin Treat

    Doctor Who right now is one of the premier televison shows not just on the BBC, but on TV period, anywhere in the world. It is a global phenomenon unlike almost any other show. Are you saying they don’t make scads of money off of it? Are you saying these spin-offs wouldn’t make the money they cost to produce back, many times over?

  • Mr The Batman

    If anything it shows the people in charge that the fans have reacted positively to Paul. If we’re lucky he’ll show up somewhere in the 12th Doctor’s Journey or in another special (or 13th depending on where John Hurt actually sits).

  • That_Guy

    I mean really, they can’t do a series in the off season called Dr. Who, the Lost Files? And do a series or two with McGann and Hurt leading up and into the Time War? If you call it the Lost Files, or something along those lines, I’m sure even casual fans would get that its not the primary Doctor.

  • demoncat_4

    a committee of people with unusual hair . surprise moffet did not add and strange fashion taste over the year. and peter should not be so upset for moffat could have just done it with matt and david and not even include baker either,

  • Anonymous

    And the minisode is the only place he could have done that, too. As I understand it, the BBC charter strictly forbids creation of TV that requires the purchase of something else to understand it

  • Anonymous

    Nonsense. Both Virgin and the BBC were happily able to run a novel range bout the previous Doctors alongside a range featuring the current one. There’s no reason the same wouldn;t hold true for a web series alongside the TV series. Or even just look at US franchises that run multiple shows alongside each other.

  • shulkman

    I like Paul McGann, I liked his portrayal of the Doctor, and I think it’s great that he got to close out the character on screen. As far as new stories for old favorite Doctors, that’s the role that the books and Big Finish have filled, right? Folks get their fix for 8th Doctor stories without messing with current events and production facilities. One Doctor at a time is a good rule. The only time that rule gets bent is on Anniversaries, and that’s why it works. It’s special. If you did it every year, it wouldn’t be special anymore.

  • shulkman

    I thought that the final scene with them all standing, was a great touch. It paid respect to each, as they appeared in the show, as they reside in the memories of those who have seen them. Baker got a few minutes dialogue at the end, setting up a future plot device, and it made a lot of fans pretty happy. But, if it had turned into a story with 8 or 9, all with their own dialogue, then it would have been a mess.

  • shulkman

    The CSI spin off model worked because those three shows didn’t share common characters. Also, they didn’t deal with time travel. If Gil Grissom regenerated into NY guy and then NY became Miami Ginger, but then all the sudden, Gil and whats her face from Vegas don’t split up, they remain together and they retire into beekeeping (because Grissom’s show isn’t very popular anymore and we want to end on a warm note for such a beloved time traveling, regenerating, CSI…. Well, now what do you do about the other two shows?

  • shulkman

    You’re never going to please everyone. If you make an exception for a couple folks who fit the story, people will complain that they weren’t included. If you include everyone, then it becomes a giant, spread out, overburdened monstrosity that all takes place in a rock quarry. (See The Five Doctors, then multiply it by two.) It gets too messy and the story gets lost behind someone’s protruding midsection.

  • shulkman

    The reflection was obscured because it was supposed to be a youthful John Hurt (like John Hurt at Matt Smith age), which was a detail that many missed. By the time we caught up with Hurt, he’s been “The War Doctor” for quite a long time, and he looks old and tired. And eventually he regenerates due to old age (I thought that was a nice nod to Hartnell’s Doctor. It’s pretty rare that the Doctor actually wears out a body.)

  • shulkman

    Tom Baker could have pointed at them and said “I gave you a great show, at the height of it’s popularity and you guys drove it into the dirt. Thank you for that hiatus from 1989 to 2005. Way to drop the ball.”

  • Elias Algorithm

    I…said that. I thought I said that.

    It is worth noting that Capaldi’s the same age as Hartnell was when he started, So as I age myself to see something my old legs can still do…

  • shulkman

    Sorry, my goof. Been a long night.

  • Elias Algorithm

    Believe me, I hear ya. It just hit me that I’ll be saying goodbye to the big-chinned doof in a few days and I’m not handling it well.

  • Elias Algorithm

    To be fair, he DID surprise us. There’s a lot to be proud of in that, for the internet age. Not a lot of people could pull that off. Don’t take his victory away there, he earned that.

    Personally I figure he’ll hand it off to Gatiss soon enough anyway.

  • shulkman

    I can certainly relate. There are shows out there with well written, well loved characters, and Moffat can write them really well. Matt’s Doctor brought back a bright eyed, full of wonderment Doctor to our screens, which was a very nice shift away from the more muted, but very talented Tennant Doctor. And while I would love to have some kind of Doctor Who party with people over, chips, dips, etc…. I know that would probably not be a pretty site, especially since I’m the fan and it’s not much of an interest to others. Eccleston wasn’t too hard, Tennant was a hard regeneration, certainly. But with Matt… you’re not used to bad things happening to him. So, I’m sure I’ll watch it, holding onto my “Steven Moffat kills those you love most and allyou are ” bucket, useful for kleenex disposal and for catching tears. But seriously, I do think you’re doing great work, Mr Moffat, just as I saw RTD’s work and liked it. Writing styles may differ, but you guys never run out of new things to imagine. Limitless

  • Louie Louie

    No, I totally understand that, and I’m not complaining about the lack of old doctors – I just find it curious that they did not record audio footage from them, despite the availability of the older Doctors (McGann and T Baker were present, and C Baker recorded audio for the 50th making of documentary).

  • Vian Lawson

    He surely did, and kudos to him for that. I am not, by nature, a squee’er, but squee I did. I just think it’s a little high-handed of him to tell us why we enjoyed the surprise. I was happy to see Paul oh-my-god-he’s-lovely McGann, and I dare to hope that that wasn’t the last of it.

  • shulkman

    I woke up this morning, 4am on Christmas Day. First thought? Goodbye Eleven… Pretty bad when you get all choked on on Christmas morning. I like Moffat, I think he’s a fantastic writer. But maybe this should have been done like Ten’s departure. A two parter, with part one on Christmas, and part two, (the soul killer), a week later.

  • shulkman

    Golly… I read that Io9 article and… it’s something. I don’t want to seem argumentative, but the author of that just seemed to overreach to get at things. Martha working in a shop was just a comedic beat. She’s working to support them (kinda opposite of misogyny.), while he works to get them home. Heck, RTD had Rose serving chips in a school while he taught class, and RTD had Martha as a maid while the Doctor taught class. But I don’t see those as sexist. The Doctor isn’t smarter because he’s a man, he’s smarter because he’s 900 years old. Should he work in a shop and let Martha build the machine that goes ding? Martha may be an M.D., but she isn’t a Time Lord. The Girl in the Fireplace was a story about the problem the Doctor faces… He can never really love someone, because before you know it, they’ve died. It was the Doctor’s love story, condensed to us as it has been to him. I dunno… I just kind of feel like the author of that article should just relax and enjoy the show. If the Doctor ever kicks a gal off the Tardis, into the mud of the gutter, and says he’d rather travel with “this fella” because all she does is fuss with her hair and complain about the cold, then I’ll agree that it’s sexist and the writer is a jerk.

  • Elias Algorithm

    I don’t think I could have handled waiting a week to cry over a Cyberman. It is gonna drive me crazy waiting until freaking AUGUST for more Capaldi-Doctor.

  • akaKJB

    I’m not so sure Gatiss want’s the Big Chair (what he WANTS is to play the Doctor but that’s probably not gonna happen).

  • akaKJB

    McGann has commented publicly that he was pleased that that line was included because it made all of his Big Finish stories canon. I don’t know if they’re extending that to ALL Big Finish WHO stories (remember that they had a deal with BBC to produce ‘seasons’ of WHO with McGann that picked up the numbering from the original series) but his are now official. It’s a good time to be the person handling the Big Finish catalog titles.

  • akaKJB

    Its never been about the money (although it makes a bigger difference now than it used to). BBC cancelled the original series after it had finally started to get HUGE in the US & making more money than ever.

  • akaKJB

    YES! There’s a theory (started by Colin Baker & I ages ago that I keep hoping will get traction) that there is a limited number of bodies that Time Lords can regenerate into, meaning there could very well be ‘older’ versions of those bodies on Gallifrey but just not the Doctor. We actually came up with that the first time I interviewed him, right after he’d been announced to play the Doctor, to explain the ‘Maxil Conundrum’.

  • akaKJB

    Unfair. None of their fault. If you blame anyone, blame JNT & the BBC for flying the damn thing into the mountain. It was the cash cow they kept pulling more & more money away from because the BBC had been taken over by elitist jerkwads who thought they should be producing the umpteenth historical ‘drama’ instead of something entertaining. Blaming Peter Davison, Colin Baker and / or Sylvester McCoy is complete and utter Sontarshite.

  • akaKJB

    There was a lot of work on one some time ago. I’ve tried getting one produced as well and it’s tough dealing with the BBC. The fan stuff you were talking about had to get pulled because BBC hired him to animate the missing episodes from some of the old Hartnell & Troughton stories.

  • Jillian Beach

    I have a theory about all of the negative comments that Colin Baker supposedly voiced. I think those were deliberately strewn about the internet not to make him look petty and bitter, but to throw fans off. Not only did Colin Baker star in the 5(ish) Doctors’ Reboot, he also did the voice-over narration for the “Making Of” documentary that was shown after the screening of “Day of the Doctor” in the movie theatres. When I watched that and realised who it was who narrated, I had a big silly grin on my face, and tears in my eyes. Yes, I get emotional at the dumbest stuff, but that made me pleased beyond measure. :D

  • Shan

    … well except that one time CSI:NY did deal with time travel.