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Amy Adams Politely Says No Thanks To a Man of Steel 2 Love Triangle


“Am I interested [in a Lois-Superman-Wonder Woman love triangle]? I don’t know. I mean, we’ll see. I hope that I can be involved with a woman on screen where we’re not in a love triangle. That would be fun. Maybe where we team up together and we work as teammates instead of adversaries.”—A few days ago Amy Adams was taken a bit aback by a question about Wonder Woman, since she didn’t even know the superheroine would be in Man of Steel 2 until the interviewer asked her about it. But turn the subject to a Wonder Woman-Lois-Superman love triangle, and boy, she knows what she wants to say. Props to Adams, because if I were in her shoes I would’ve given the same negative answer, but there probably would have have been some cursing. Clearly she’s classier than I.

(SuperHeroHype, via Screen Rant)

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  • Anonymous

    But what if Lois is the apex of the triangle? Is there any precedent for Wonder Woman potentially being gay?

  • Anonymous

    Major props to her. She handled it well after WB put her in the terrible position of being blindsided earlier.
    It amazes me. DC/WB own two of them of the most famous female fictional icons not just in the comics genre but in pop culture history. They own literally the first and most powerful female superhero AND they own the literal first woman of Action Comics who was a model for career woman for decades to come and the only thing some writers (and dudes) can think to do with them is put a dick between them. And not just any dick. On no….a SUPER dick. Let’s put aside the fact that Wonder Woman is returning to media for the first time in 40 years and to introduce her as anyone’s love interest (let alone Superman) would be horrific. Let’s put aside that Lois and Clark barely had any time to talk to each other in Man of Steel and that development of their relationship—which is vital to the Superman mythos—should be a huge priority in this movie.

    Putting Superman between Lois Lane and Wonder Woman is quite literally one of the most insulting things any writer can ever do to two of the most famous fictional female icons in pop culture history. And that includes killing Lois off to “get her out of the way.” (gross.) I don’t support comics that treat women like this and I sure as hell won’t support a film franchise that does. Both of these actresses and characters deserve better. ENOUGH already with this tired bullshit. Leave Lois and Clark alone. They were created together as a pair in 1938 by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Just let them be. They were created as a pair for a reason. And let Wonder Woman have her OWN damn story. And if you want to put her in a relationship have it be with her OWN love interest. I prefer Trevor but any human will do. It’s really that simple.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    Nope. There’s too much tradition at stake to break up Supes and Lois (not counting New 52) which means that Diana would have to LOSE the love triangle battle. And we all know, there’s no way Wonder Woman would lose to Superman. Therefore, it is a battle that can never be.

  • Charlie

    Oh please god no. That would be my actual worst nightmare.

  • Veronica Cristina

    No exactly yes, but there’s hints in some runs like Rucka and Azzarello, and even Marston it was really heavy on lesbian subtext. But I doubt, i really doubt Warner would go with WW being bi or lesbian

  • Charlie

    I’d rather she was straight, I’m tired of tough women being stereotyped as gay.

  • Anonymous

    Wonder Woman loses the triangle battle no matter WHO is at the apex. Phil Jiminez and Joe Kelly’s famous WW #170 made it more than clear in her own words, “He will always choose you, Lois.” Wonder Woman having feelings for Superman consistently results in her getting her heart broken bc he will always love another woman more. A human, mortal who is not a goddess. Post-crisis writers who put Diana through the wringer having feelings for a married man she couldn’t have did Wonder Woman a TERRIBLE disservice and was a stark reminder of how freaking sexist her treament was bc she deserved her OWN love interest.
    Even now, in the new 52. Look at what they’ve had to do to Lois to push this Superman/WW bullshit. They’ve had to literally shove Lois Lane out of the superbooks (which is intensely problematic) bc as long as she is there…there is the undercurrent that Clark would drop Diana in a heartbeat if Lois was free. So they literally had to get rid of Lois. Which is BS.
    It’s even worse when Lois gets killed off so that Diana can “swoop in” and be with Superman. Wonder Woman gets set up as the woman moving in on a grieving widower. Clark never stops loving Lois and Wonder Woman spends the rest of her life in the shadow of a ghost. In the meantime, Lois gets fridged so that fanboys can make gross comments about how hard you can pound a woman during sex.
    There is literally no scenario where either of these women come out on top in this situation. It’s a horrible situation to ever put them in. And it doesn’t make Superman look that great either. Some of us have been pointing out for YEARS what a freaking mess this entire idea was but people didn’t listen.

  • Anonymous

    WB let Wonder Woman be gay and therefore not be available to be fetishized and sexualized by straight dudebros? HA!

  • Anonymous

    That still makes Wonder Woman’s debut dependent on a love triangle, rather than give her character some well-deserved focus. Remember, this ain’t her show to begin with. She’s already going to fail the Bechtel test just by being in a movie about two dudes!

  • Charlie

    …Why would that stop them exactly? -.-

  • Veronica Cristina

    I get mad when writers try to make Diana having a crush on Superman when he is in a relationship with Lois. It’s just wrong.
    wasn’t perezz that did WW wanting to have sex with supes and made trevor much older than her?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think this is about tough women being stereotyped as gay. I think this is a discussion about the relevant context of this particular character and the inference over the years that she is either a Lesbian or is bisexual.
    Personally, I read Wonder Woman as bisexual bc I think she likes men. I like her relationship with Steve Trevor when it’s explored correctly. (See Bryan Q. Miller’s most recent take.) But I also think her history suggests that she may also be interested in women.
    Lois Lane, I believe, is straight. However, if Clark is her ideal man then I could see her making an exception for Wonder Woman.

  • Veronica Cristina

    she still can get sexualized being lesbian, but mostly for the lesbian fanbase. If is the same treatment than JH williams gave to batwoman

  • Anonymous

    Perez was the writer that was involved with Wonder Woman when Steve Trevor was removed as her love interest. I think it was detrimental to her character in many respects.
    Frankly, I think people had a hard time reconciling the idea of a woman taking the man’s place. Steve can be written as a wonderful man and her equal but he is going to have to stand back while Diana saves the day. Which btw? Is FINE. In fact, what a progressive and wonderful story.

  • Foxfire

    Wait, why would Wonder Woman be gay?

    I think you’ve mixed up love triangles, with Supes being the center of a Lois/Batman feud over his (as said above) Super Dick.

    I’d love to see Batman blind-siding Lois and moving in on the Man of Stud.

  • Charlie

    As a straight woman who is very much a tomboy I’m kind of tired of it is all, it would be nice to have a female character I can relate to as well. Sometimes I feel like I’m being told I don’t fit anywhere.

  • Foxfire

    Oh god… don’t tell me that’s the reason for a clearly not though out beforehand addition of Wonder Woman.

    Did they not see the avengers with no romance subplot? There’s way too many characters to cram in that kind of action properly. Every comment I see just makes me want to wait for this to be in the $2 bin before I pay money to see it.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sort of confused by this comment. Are you implying that there aren’t a lot of straight “tomboy” females in media? Bc….I’m going to have to disagree with you. If anything, I think what we often see now is a demonization of women who do NOT identify as tomboys bc there is this weird idea that women are suposed to “not be like other girls” in order to be special. Katniss Everdeen? She’s straight and a tomboy.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    Problematic love triangle BS aside, I’ve always found it funny whenever Bruce would woo Lois with flowers and notes, making Supes jealous.

  • Anonymous

    I always find it funny when Lois trolls Batman and when Batman is “moved by the power of love.” LOL
    Lois and Bruce are similar in some respects.

  • Anonymous

    I only raised it because the article seemed to be leaning towards a LL-SM-WW triangle. But hey, the more options, the better!

  • Anonymous

    Bc ultimately, in my experience, a lot of men like to pretend that Wonder Woman is a sex object here for their pleasure and it’s harder for them to do that if she’s gay. Just my observation.

  • Charlie

    I don’t think there are no, not like Xena for example. I am a gamer more than anything and it often feels like a female character is given two choices, be gay so the male gamer/viewer can live vicariously through her or have no relationship at all. Maybe it’s that influencing my thoughts more than anything. I don’t want to offend anyone saying these things so if I am, I’m sorry.

  • Charlie

    They would probably do it more…

  • Charlie

    I’ve always shipped Batman and WW since the JLA cartoon :p

  • Anonymous

    Honestly…no I don’t think they would. Why do you think there is this super creepy fanboy obsession with Superman “pounding” Wonder Woman really hard during sex and this gross BS about how he would “break” Lois. It’s all very male-centered, male gaze thinking that treat women like the sum of their sex organs. It takes two women and makes them essentially the sum of their physical bodies. (It’s also a really uncreative/ignorant view of sex but that’s beside the pt.) Wonder Woman was not created for men but men have been attempting to control her for years.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t have to apologize, I was just trying to make sure I understood your POV. Here’s where we can agree; I agree that women are often given limited choices in media and I hope that changes too.

  • Anonymous

    All I did was read the headline and this is where my mind went: “Lois Lane and Wonder Woman? I’d Ship that.” I then took a moment to realize the heteronormivity of that universe and go “Oh. Right They both date Superman. Ugh.”

  • Anonymous

    Problem is it means quite next to nothing what Amy Adams means or says or thinks because she quite probably has signed the usual three-picture-contract for the MoS movies so if the director wants her to jump through a burning hoola-hop she will have to do it.

    But quite honestly, I don’t think there will be a love triangle. Lois Lane is Sups’ love interest so they will have Wonder Woman as Bats’ love interest so that the average cinemagoes is going to ask these dangerous questions a la “Why has Batman no girl friend? Is he gay?”.

    That being said, I don’t underestimate the average cinemagoer more the idea the average studio executive’s idea of the average cinemagoer. What I find much more frightening is the fact that Diana might quite likely be reduced to someone’s love interest. She’s one of the big guys, she has her own love interest, going by the name Steve Trevor.

    Please, allmighty film gods don’t let Wonder Woman end up as a cheap love interest for Bruce Wayne!

  • Anonymous

    You are talking about Batwoman! ;-)

  • Jamie Jeans

    Good answer by her on that, and frankly, I too would like to see WW and Lois Lane team up to kick butt and solve a mystery and stuff. None of that romance triangle BS.

    Also, this is NOT filling me with confidence… >_>

  • http://mordicaifeed.tumblr.com/ Mordicai

    “So Amy Adams, given you know, the recent slew of DC movies & the knowledge that Zach Snyder is directing the next one, what do you think the chances are that it will pass the Bechdel Test?”

  • http://mordicaifeed.tumblr.com/ Mordicai

    “Gosh it is so nice to date someone who isn’t so dang secretive, Diana! Wait, is Diana your real name? Or like do you have more than one real name? Oh, it is? Okay wow that was…really easy. Wow.”

  • Ashe

    Well, straight men tend to take it as a challenge when bisexual or lesbian women aren’t into them (even when they’re fictional). So, yeah, Wonder Woman being gay wouldn’t change fanboy’s creepy behaviors.

    Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t still happen!

  • Ashe

    Thank you, Adams, for calling out the gross ‘women can’t be friends or partners but competitors for the men around them’ gross trope-y thing.

  • Anonymous

    One thing I would say is everyone is (rightfully) worried about the possibility of Diana being a love interest or in some stupid catty love triangle with Lois, but that’s a fairly recent addition to the comic lore, and in general, comic movies have never shown any real obsession with adhering to the current source material at hand (in fact it’s usually the opposite, with DC and Marvel trying desperately to make their comics more like their hit movies).

    So I would be very shocked if the stupid Wondy/Superman romance actually ended up in the movie.

  • Anonymous

    Kudos and props and snap to Amy’s response. Anyway, love triangles where women are fighting over men and being rivals is so tired.

  • Anonymous

    I think Charlie’s getting at that these straight dudebros would likely fetishize and fantasize about a lesbian WW just as much if not more than a straight one because of the fetishization of bisexual/lesbian women for straight male gaze and pleasure. This pop culture mainstream shit we have to deal with currently. Where one dude gets to have his fantasy of having two (or more) women into each other for his pleasure, as his objects, that will do what he wants to each other and to himself, etc. That angle. So yeah, I agree, it wouldn’t stop them at all whatsoever.

  • KP Fields

    I hope the decision makers of the film side with Amy on this. First, it would trivialize the (probably) only two female leads. Second, there are enough heroes and villains that a love triangle is going to detract from the story. (Love triangles are usually a movie’s worth on their own!) Third, if the actors hate playing to it, you are going to get poorer performances.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Bah! If the writers feel a love triangle would be an interesting eleement to the story then we should bow to their judgment for I am sure they know what they are doing.
    Superman and Wonder Woman fighting over Batmans affections would make for stunning movieness!

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Umm…I thought they were rather blatant about the Black Widow/Hawkeye thing to be honest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Nothing stopping thee film from playing at alternate interpretations. ^^

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Its not a cannon example, but I think this webcomic did an awesome job of handling the issue. http://limbero.org/jl8

  • Anonymous

    “Is there any precedent for Wonder Woman potentially being gay?”

    Gay, not AFAIK. Potentially bi, gods yes. She comes from an island of only women. Some writers have played this angle way up.

    Gail Simone had her court an American man “in the manner of my people”. He responded “… But your people are all women!” WW give him a wry “Why yes, I do believe they are” answer.

  • Anonymous

    I’m hopeful that Snyder will be sensible enough not to build a love triangle around them.

    He dodged the tired old “Clark/Lois/Superman” triangle, and in the process did a really solid job of setting Lois up as a kickass investigator. Let’s hope he continues this trend of doing sensible things with Lois.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    It’s implied that Tasha and Clint have a past, but I didn’t feel there was any current tension. It was obvious to me that they were setting up Tasha and Steve for Winter Soldier, with all the attendant drama that comes from her past with the Winter Soldier.

    You can tell that moment he boosts her onto that Chitauri flyer, he got the same look after Peggy shot at him. “She’s SO NEAT!”

  • Anonymous

    Someone needs to take this idea to tumblr. I don’t have enough drawing skills but I would pay for some good fan art…

  • Mina

    Well he directed the last one and it passed the Bechdel test. Not with what I’d call flying colors, but it did.

  • http://mordicaifeed.tumblr.com/ Mordicai

    Huh! I didn’t watch it. Everything made me think I would virulently hate it. Maybe I’ll punish myself with it when it comes to Netflix. I mean, I saw Suckerpunch :(

  • Anonymous

    Let’s face it, those running DC don’t give a shit about the characters, their history, or their iconic status. They’ve proven again and again they’re going to do whatever they think is necessary to bring in the dollars, even if it means taking a steaming dump all over Superman, Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, or anyone else. Oh, except Batman. For some reason Batman never gets touched. Interesting to say the least.

    They don’t care about the characters or the fans, only the bucks. Which is why I will have nothing to do with any of them till Lee, Didio, and Johns are gone.

  • Anonymous

    Dara, I think you hit the nail on the head. We need diversity in how female characters are written. Oh and more female characters too!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I was thinking about this earlier, funnily enough: how whenever there’s a character who steps even a little outside very conventional gender boundaries (e.g. is a bit of a tomboy/doesn’t display much interest in boys/is physically strong), many people will snark (and/or believe) she must be a lesbian. Even if the character is a child.
    It’s reductive to both lesbians and women in general.

    Now, I understand that with minimal representation of non-straight characters in fiction people have to resort to perceived subtext to find representation.

    But the interpretation is so often motivated by something more problematic: people want to dismiss female power by interpretting the character as somehow ‘not really female’. It’s the same thing as when you voice a feminist opinion and are ‘accused’ of being a man-hating lesbian. Correlating non-traditional feminity with non-straightness is problematic not because either of this things is a bad thing (obviously) but because they are each used to dismiss the worth of the other.

    It makes representation of straight AND non-straight women even more difficult because no one wants to present a reductive stereotype and yet neither should we be excluding representation of women who ARE both non-straight and ‘non-feminine’.

    It’s one of the many ways cultural misogyny not only fails to serve women in the first place, but akes redressing the situation incredibly difficult.

  • Anonymous

    How were they blatant? It’s clear Clint and Natasha have shared history and care about each other. That could be the basis for many interpretations.

    There are many people in my life who I care about and have known a long time, doesn’t mean I’m sleeping with them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Its just the way I interpreted it, it seemed like they had a connection. Admittedly its possible that I might have been reading to much into it and based it on their comic counterparts (They were an item early on in the Avengers) though.

  • Anonymous

    Huh? Considering Batwoman was introduced as a “lipstick lesbian” in “52″ what Rucka/JHW did was flesh out the character and give us a more dimensional take on her with a but of a punk/goth edge that everyone is into.

    If you’re referring to her relationship with Maggie in her solo book by JHW, well then I’d want to know why a lesbian can’t have a sex life since straight characters get them without being accused of being only for a certain fanbase.

  • Anonymous

    Well, she was raised only among women who took pleasure in each other, according to Perez ;)
    The Amazons have been the subject of lesbian stories for a long time in our world, probably the same in their world too.

    Gail Simone’s brief stint had Diana courting Tom Tresser with a traditional Amazon courtship and him asking weren’t they all women? She just smiled and kept going.

  • Anonymous

    I guess I should have read farther down, you said it all first. :p

  • Anonymous

    I thought Black Widow and Hawkeye were meant to have had a past relationship too. I guess it wasn’t “blatant” since there is a debate here, but I hadn’t heard anyone who didn’t feel they were a past item before this thread.

  • Anonymous

    But did it pass the Blechdel test?

  • http://mordicaifeed.tumblr.com/ Mordicai

    Actually, googling around, people seem to be saying they dispute any “yes” answer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani
  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    I wonder if we will see Mockingbird later…

  • Veronica Cristina

    They had sex in a issue of Batwoman, I don’t remember if it was #4 or #5. renne montoya and kate also had sex in the detective issues.

  • http://www.justplainsomething.com JustPlainSomething

    Personally, I want to see Wonder Woman come on the scene and have a bunch of media people (mostly men) try to get her for an interview only to have her choose Lois because Lois tells Diana earnestly that she’s not there to discredit or manipulate her. She just wants to share her story. And Diana respects the hell out of Lois, telling Superman that she approves of his choice in ladyfolk.

  • http://www.justplainsomething.com JustPlainSomething

    I am a fan of any ship that takes what would be the two ladies in a love triangle and just have them in a wonderful asskicking romance. Hence my love of Kory/Babs

  • http://www.justplainsomething.com JustPlainSomething

    If it’s the Lois and Clark’s mom scene, I think it passed most of the qualifications but because they were talking about a man it didn’t actually pass the test.