Going Where Some Men Have Only Gone Before in Their Minds: The Sci-Fi Brothel

Hmm, very specific examples at the end there Jamie…are you hiding your own fanfic from us? If so, please email it. :)

Who says “dudes” are the only ones writing that sexy, sexy sci-fi fanfiction? ;)

Prostitution is not okay. Whether or not it is legal, as it is in Nevada, studies have shown that it is difficult to regulate its legality, and victims of the illegal sex trade always end up in the mix. Research has found underage sex workers employed everywhere from strip clubs to legal brothels. These women are not consenting adults. I’m disgusted by the possibility that this sort of “high concept” brothel would maybe attract some people to try a brothel who otherwise never would. Geeky role play is awesome, do it! But save it for consenting adults. Please don’t bring prostitution into the mix.

I’ve never thought about having sex with the Doctor… A nice Princess in a metal bikini however…

I always thought fanfiction was predominantly female in authorship; why else would Kirk/Spock be the first pairing to kick off slash?

Not to mention all the Twilight and Harry Potter stories…

The women of SWOP-LV would disagree strongly with you. Sex work is real work, and those who choose careers in sex work deserve respect, not paternalistic dismissal of their agency. 

The costume closet alone would keep a photostream busy for years.

“So, you’re a policewoman now, then?”

Yes, there is a high percentage of non-consentual prostitution out there but we musn’t label all of the people (both male and female) as victims. For every job there are people who die from doing it (emotionally or physically) and those how enjoy it. Be it stripping, phone-sex, pornography or anything else, even those who don’t love the field still have good reasons to stay in it (there was a campaign a year ago, poster with kids holding up sings a la “I’m glad my Mom sent me to college”).
I am not an expert but I am of the opinion that legalisation of prostitution (it’s not in my country, well, sort of) would slow down the growth rate of ‘social diseases’, so there’s that at least. In any case, maybe if a person visited a prostitute without shame it would stop them from snapping from the stress and doing something awful?

I keep getting the feeling that the Internet in general is mostly female populated…

I agree that those who choose sex work deserve respect. But I also have reservations because there is a lot of evidence that illegal sex slavery can and often does seep into sex work in the United States, even within a legal prostitution context. It’s not just a “third world” phenomena. We need to strike a balance between respecting and empowering consenting sex workers and making sure that no illegal activity is taking place. 

That’s Funny I have been called the Doctor sense I was 8 yrs old hahah

Can you please cite your sources for this research?

If they look like that green-skinned ginger I’m going to have to plan a road trip.. :)

As a former resident of Vegas, I can tell you that these are NOT painted humanoids working in the sex industry.  Indeed area 51 is not that far from the “Strip”  and these will actually be interplanetary travelers who are just trying to “get a leg up” in their new lives on Earth.  The bordello owner simply chose not to divulge the recent immigrants true identities.  You know “What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!”

I have two questions, Which Doctor do you want to have sex with?  I choose the David Tennant.  Second, will the alien from Lost In Space who went after Doctor Smith be an option.  Also, if they have something for women Gary Oldman’s version of Doctor Smith would be on my to do list.

I’m not the original poster but I have some sources if you’re interested.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/HumanTrafficking/SexTrafficking.aspx 

http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/643 

I may be a traitor to the cause but I always fancied McGann aka the 8th Doctor (it’s the hair, I can’t help myself) but Tennant comes second (Eccleston might bite my head off)

Yeah I mean there are a couple girls I like to bang as I am bi but I want the doctor the tenth to be exact (drools)

now i know where to find those Orion slave girls.  Just be careful, you don’t want to end up like captain archer :b

I think it likely that the reason abuse goes on in the sex industry is because the sex workers cannot turn to the law for justice and protection, as other citizens can.  While I don’t think sex work is necessarily a good idea for the workers, I also believe that people should have the right to do whatever sort of work they want, as long as they aren’t hurting anyone by their choice.  The freedom to control your own life when it doesn’t hurt anyone else is what a free America is supposed to be.

POST OF THE WEEK!

I’d pay for a few light years of “assimilation” with Seven of Nine!

Providing sexual service for women is actually more difficult because it’s harder to do a health check around the genitalia. The Bunny Ranch has the employees physically check a man for any signs of disease before having sex with them. But these checks are harder on women as the diseases are often hiding on or near the cervix (and putting someone in stirrups is, for most of the population, not seen as good foreplay). Because it can be less safe, it’s harder to get around potential legal liabilities. Also, there just isn’t as big of a market for sex workers that cater to women. I think it was Hoff who tried opening up an all male brothel that would only service women a couple of years ago and it did terribly. So you could have men dressed up as any one of the Doctors, but the majority of their clients would still be men.

But I do agree that it’s still sad that you can’t get your freak on in the Enterprise chair, Jamie. I guess you’ll have to do like the rest of us and make it happen in your own home. 

Most sex work is performed by consenting adults. There is a difference between legalized sex work and the illegal sex trade. Most of the women involved in sex work are consenting adults who made a choice to be there. You just don’t here about them as often because it doesn’t make good news.

Liberals….LOL!!
They have to pay to get laid.
Sicko f*cks.

Well, that will solve the human trafficking worries, anyway.

The Doctor? Pssh.  Give me John Crichton, Dr. Daniel Jackson, or Darien Fawkes.
…Or Wil Wheaton.  (WHOOPS! Did I just say that?)

Yes, what about us girls?

As a Christian Conservative, your attitude not only offends, but paints all of the Right in a bad light. Please attempt to use your bootstraps to get a semblance of an education, then return. Otherwise, go find another bridge to reside beneath.

Only ones? How about who says dudes write fanfiction with decent sex scenes at all? I never seen proof of that.

/For all those dudes who write all that sexy, sexy sci-fi fan fiction,/

All those DUDES that write nc17 fanfic? You apparently know nothing about who writes fanfic and what. The vast majority of fans writing fanfic is GIRLS. Go to ffn or LJ or AO3 and do your damn research.

Also, why is this brothel portrayed as awesome on a feminist blog?

As if we needed further proof of the commercial exploitation of nerd culture…

There are Christians here?

Nerd culture is a commercial industry.

Your response is so middle of the road I have to wonder if you’re running for an office.

I find it impossible to believe that SOME sex workers didn’t choose their work, not as a last resort, or that SOME sex workers enjoy their work. Broad generalizations ruin quite a few arguments that I would otherwise agree with.

There are very few people I have maintained contact with that I met via the Internet and a) most of them are female and b) one of the men was actually a woman.

“Prostitution is not okay”

Actually Prostitution is okay. Not only is it okay, there is actually no legitimate way in which one can be morally oppossed to it, without being anti-sex.

“But I also have reservations because there is a lot of evidence that illegal sex slavery can and often does seep into sex work in the United States”

Except that in places where Prostitution is legalised, sex slavery is still against the law & unlike places where its not regulated vice squads don’t need to waste all there time working over the little operators & can focus on the major crimes like Sex Slavery. Prostitution is a crime you’ll never get rid of ever; its just better to regulate it & make some money off of it at a governemental level (also make it a taxable income).

What about you girls? You want a sci-fi brothel, go and build one… Its not like this one for us guys just appeared out of the mists of avalon.

Its Geek Chic’

Its not a feminist blog.

Really, now???  I’m looking at article #1–the links don’t support the claims he’s making.  This is porn crusader making up tales.

Some most certainly did freely choose it.  Try this woman: http://www.amazon.com/Call-Girl-Norma-Jean-Almodovar/dp/0380723042/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325313166&sr=8-1

How about a genderswapped Doctor Who?  Yeah, thats rockin’ my boat now I’ve said it, lol

To be honest, to this day Tom Baker just has to speak and I start going all goofy and blushing …

This may amaze you, but being a feminist and being sex-positive are not mutually exclusive.

Assuming clientele are not required to be male, I think I might have to start saving up for a trip to Nevada … I’m also getting a little fed up with the assumption that something ‘for the girls’ has to involve men.

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Do Republicans Mark Foley and David Vitter ring a bell with you?

Yeah! what about a place for girls? Maybe they want to get with Spock or a look alike. Volcans are cool!

How would you like me to dress up? With green body paint? 

Thank you Allison.

They are everywhere. :) 

Which is article number 1? The resources from the Attorney General’s Office? An embedded article? The second one offers two poins of view. I’m trying to be pretty balanced here.

There are a LOT of Christian Feminist Geeks, duh.  Or, Adam, we’re you just attempting to be wry?

This is a sci-fi brothel, already built.  It should cater to women as well. Usually the ladies who work there mostly service men, I’m assuming they would service women, but they should have a couple of guys on hand for those who prefer them.

basically everything nerds have ever fantasized about since they
discovered their manhood hiding underneath all those fanzines. Grab some
Purell, because we’re going to tell you all about it!

For a throwaway line, this is both hetero-normative and sex-shaming. One, who’s to say cis-female geeks wouldn’t or shouldn’t visit a formally-regulated sex worker and two, FFS, a masturbation joke? C’mon now.

“This is a sci-fi brothel, already built.  It should cater to women as well”

Why should they cater to women Carmen? To me thats like saying there are a lot of women only gyms, medical centres & bathrooms: They should now cater to men as well… Because i exist.

Thats a pretty big case of gender entitlement you seem to have there Carmen. Like i said if you want a sci-fi brothel that caters to women, feel free to go make one, but you can’t expect something not made for you to suddenly pander to your wants & desires on the basis that “you exist.”

It may very well pander to women as well, but if it doesn’t well i see no problem with that.

Then go build your own sci-fi brothel.

 I watched some doc about the bunny ranch at some point and they did service women because couples would come in. I’m still gonna hold on to the belief that I can get some girl to dress up for free though.

Hey there’s always a place for masturbation jokes…..but who would use purell?

It has been for a long time, but you have to admit a brothel that caters to nerds is a pretty watershed moment.

My girlfriend has a phobia about putting anything like body paint onto her skin (even moisturizer) so it’s not in the foreseeable for me … though I’m sure she’d want to come on the trip too.

Thinking about it, the cheap alternative is for me to dress up as an alien, but I’m just not very good at cosplay :-/

What, no magic realism brothel?

Agreed. I think legalizing prostitution may be the way to “clean up” the world’s oldest profession. As long as we can leave out the pimps so that the women are in charge of their own business as far as who they service, when, where, how much they get paid, etc….Basically, they should be like Companions in “Firefly”.

I look as it as women have sex for all kinds of reasons. Very few of those reasons have to do with their own sexual pleasure…Many do it just to please their husbands/boyfriends, many do it to get their boyfriend to become a husband, many do it so that their boyfriend will buy them pretty things, many have sex with someone because he bought dinner and they feel bad….Some women have sex for money. How is that less valid?

The very fact that you are on this thread should offend you.
You must be one of those Pelosi “so-called-Christians” I heard tell about.

I guess that if there’s going to be apolocalypse & alien invasions in this coming year, might was well welcome the intergalactic species with some friendly play…

“women have sex for all kinds of reasons. Very few of those reasons have to do with their own sexual pleasure…”

What?! Oh, ReadsInTrees, how very VERY wrong you are. I’m so sorry you are under this impression, and I wonder how someone in this day and age could possibly believe that.

Trust me, friend, when I have sex it is most definitely for my own sexual pleasure.

Be wonderful if it was like Lady Sally’s House.

Yes, for some women it is for their own pleasure. However, since only about a third of women can have an orgasm from vaginal sex alone, obviously many women are partaking for other reasons. Many women have NEVER had an orgasm, or for other women sex is very painful. Yes, pleasure is ONE reason that women have sex. My point was that the other reasons women have sex outnumber pleasure.

It’s been done. Sorta. http://somethingpositive.net/sp06142004.shtml

My recommendation for all things is to just go for it, throw on some crazy costumes and save yourself a couple hundred bucks.

If this were the first time had been done, sure, but this idea has been floated in comic books before, in Marvel particularly, as well as in Japanese maid cafes. This is just another version of ordering an escort with a particular hair color…now Johns can ask for green skin to go. Or a Klingon forehead.

Ta-da. Thanks. Though I’m not interested in putting foreign body parts in or around my orifices for money, I was sure that there would be folks with fewer learned shames or taboos than I that wouldn’t be opposed to it.

I’m not very interested in forcing my life choices on other people, plus I do see the appeal of, perhaps, going to bed with a Klingon. Provided the prostitute (male or female) stays in character for the duration, I would imagine the experience being like a bull ride.

I am genuinely surprised.

Is there an Ice Pirate’s space-herpes room?

So PIV is the only “sex” there is, and if you don’t have an orgasm from something, that means it’s not pleasurable. What a myopic and silly thing to say. 

Regardless of how you feel about the morality of prostitution, implying that prostitutes cannot have consensual sex is kinda dumb.

Implying that the only sex that can be consensual is the sex had for free is no different from implying that the only labor that isnt slavery is the work done for free. See how that kind of reasoning immediately breaks down and shows itself as blatantly contradictory as soon as you take the morals and emotions of sexuality out of the equation?

If underage or coerced women are operating as sex workers then the clear solution is to increase regulation and enforcement, not engage in more zero-tolerance nonsense. How many times do we have to prove that pushing a good or service into the black market only makes the situation worse for everyone? A million?

 Rape happens even when its not paid for. “Harmful sex” is not a problem inherent in prostitution, it is a problem inherent in society.

Except that your argument about consent sort of falls apart when you consider that the majority of sex workers (I think it was sonewhere around 80%) surveyed in a recent study of both legal, regulated sex services and illegal prostitution reported that they wanted to get out but didn’t think they could, a vast majority (again, upwards of 80% but I don’t know the numbers off-hand) were victims of sexual abuse before they entered the industry and entered it while underage, and of upwards of 70% surveyed were found to be suffering from PTSD directly related to their line of work, taking into account previous trauma. These numbers prove that the prostitution industry depends on victims of abuse and exploitation for work, whether or not the work is legal and regulated. It cannot be considered equivalent to any sort of legal work, as your analogy suggests. Legality does not mean consent.

And I can site my sources if anyone insists.

 80% of the women i know PERIOD have been victims of sexual abuse. And 100% of the people i know want to leave their jobs, but dont think they can. Coercion, defined in this way, exist at all levels and stations of capitalist society, not just in sex jobs. The solution is not to ban these jobs, but to regulate them and install sweeping employee protections.

Literally the ONLY reason you would apply a completely separate set of conditions and considerations to sex jobs than to all other jobs is because of emotionally-held religious or societal morals. Coercion and exploitation are not sex-specific, they are finance-specific.

 Farming jobs are more dangerous, more likely to employ underage workers, illegally employed workers, economically-coerced and exploited workers. These workers are much more likely to be exposed to hazardous industrial chemicals and machinery. These workers make very little pay for the amount and value of work they do.

So is your solution to a) ban all farm work, or b) regulate the shit out of the farming industry?

Or maybe I would apply a separate set of conditions because not all jobs or industries are based around the LITERAL commodification and exploitation of women’s bodies. You can’t honestly believe that’s the same as a cubicle job, or even an underpaid factory job.  

 Please describe to me any rational moral framework in which a job that is 100 times more likely to result in the physical or mental harm or outright death of its workers than your average prostitution job is somehow the more moral profession of the two.

Then ask yourself if women should be allowed to serve in the military.

Not every industry that carries the threat of bodily or mental harm, (which prostitution often does, by the way) also involves industrialized misogyny. I get you’ve got this opinion, but I’m not going to change my mind about this. I’m done having this discussion though, this article is months old anyway.

 So then is the implication that misogyny is inherently worse and less desirable than actual physical and mental harm, regardless of severity?

My previous question wasnt rhetorical btw. Do you believe that women should be allowed to serve in the military?

Because there is literally no rational argument you could have against prostitution that wouldnt apply SEVERAL times more severely to women serving in active duty, INCLUDING the industrialized misogyny.  Literally the only metric that would not apply is underage employment, but that would remain illegal regardless of the prohibition status of prostitution.

Im sorry if my statements seem at all insulting or condescending, but your position is inherently non-rational and faulty, and will continue to only further break down under scrutiny. Eventually you will have no other recourse than to admit to yourself that you are applying special rules to prostitution based simply on your (possibly subconcious) feelings that promiscuous sex is “icky and wrong”

And if your trepidations about prostitution being legal hinge entirely on worries about misogyny, then ask yourself whether male prostitution (gay or straight) should logically be legal.

I understand that you have an opinion on this, and I’m not going to change your mind, but you can’t honestly believe that the issue can be boiled down to “Prostitution should be legal, anyone who disagrees is anti-sex.” Nothing is that absolute, especially an issue as complex as this one. I used to be undecided on this, then I did some research and came to my conclusion. That’s how most opinions work, people learn things and they change their minds. It’s not all unconscious “I have a gross feeling about this therefore it’s wrong.” To retreat to that rational is patronizing. For the record, yes I am for women serving in the military. (It’s actually a very important issue to me.) Yes I am against legalized male prostitution. If you disagree that’s ok. I could keep explaining myself to you till kingdom come, but it won’t change your mind. I

Speaking from a sex-positive, pro-military, feminist, and republican point of view:
Being in the military is different from prostitution.  Yes, you might say being a soldier is just as much objectification as being a prostitute.  But tell me how many (legal) prostitutes have job promotion and health care coverage?  How many prostitutes are trained to be leaders and given knowledge and skills that help them excell in areas outside of their profession?
Legalizing prostitution will not give opportunities to the workers to leave their jobs with plenty of dignity and a solid chance to progess in life.
There have been examples in history of high-level courtisans or prostitutes gaining access to political power, but that is far less common than examples of women taking part in/leading/winning battles. 
There is a social worry about women serving in the military, but (at least in contempory American, where I imagine you are making the parallel), there is also appreciation for those who have served the country.
And do you really think that it will be very easy to regulate prostituion?  Given that in can exist in small, numerous pockets …how reliable will regulations be?  Especially given the variety of sexual preferences, if prostitution is legal, how long before customers want women (or men) of a certain look, age, skill-level, and someone will claim they should have a right to cater to that demand?
It’s a difficult subject to coherently address in such a limited manner, but being a sex-worker and being in the military are CLEARLY different matters.  A soldier has so many benefits compared to a prostitute (if unfairly so, as some would argue).  But what is the realistic change in social attitude in legalizing prostitution?
Ah, so much to say on this topic.

 But how do you not instantly recognize the fact that the entire reason prostitutes dont have benefits and are looked down upon by society is because their profession is de facto illegal?

People who carry a gun for Uncle Sam get government benefits. People who carry a gun for a gang leader dont.

How much social respect and benefits does a drug dealer get? How about the CEO of Pfizer?

If you want prostitutes to be better respected and to get benefits, clearly the ONLY possible solution is to make prostitution legal. There is literally no other possible way.

Any moral arguments are completely irrelevant, because there are plenty of people with some pretty fucked up, IMMORAL but LEGAL jobs that make a ton of money, get a ton of benefits, and get a ton of upper-class respect in this country. Bankers, for example.