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FYI, Marvel’s Reportedly Picked Directors for Captain America 3. Still No Wonder Woman Movie.


Marvel usually waits to see how a movie does on opening weekend before making sequel decisions, but according to Variety the early test screenings for Captain America: The Winter Soldier are so good that the studio has already started negotiations to lock down its directors, Anthony and Joe Russo, for Captain America 3. It hasn’t been officially greenlit yet, but with many of the actors under contract for a third movie it probably will be unless Winter Soldier completely tanks.

Meanwhile Warner Bros. still hasn’t gotten around to officially confirming that they’ll make one Wonder Woman movie.

Previously in Wonder Woman Still Not Getting a Damn Movie

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  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it more pertinent that Marvel hasn’t made any films with lead female characters, considering that they have made (*counts*) nine superhero films including the ones coming out this year (eleven if you count Avengers: Age of Ultron and Ant-Man), all of which have done well. Nor do they even have any potential films with lead female characters slated for development. They’ve shown no objection to taking risks, so there’s really no excuse.

    Whereas in the twenty-first-century era of blockbuster comic-book movies, DC have done six, with a seventh in production, have had major problems getting anything other than Batman to catch on, and appear to be less inclined to risk-taking than Marvel (their sole non-Batman, non-Superman film, Green Lantern, tanked). So their neglect doesn’t seem quite as egregious.

    It just seems like “Marvel’s picked directors for a new Captain America movie; still no Black Widow movie” would be a little more pertinent and less of a non-sequitur than going after a completely different studio.

  • aerinha23

    …so where’s our Black Widow movie?!

  • AKB

    This. Marvel is actively making me angry now – movies into the double-digits, and they are more comfortable with a tree and a raccoon than a woman taking centre-stage. Or someone who isn’t white.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, sorry, Marvel’s not looking so hot in my eyes with this. Why not Captain Marvel 1 instead of Captain America 3?

  • Anonymous

    Wait wouldn’t “And Marvel still hasn’t gotten around to making a Black Widow movie” be more on topic?

  • Travis

    Don’t worry. Gal Gadot is signed for a three picture contract. That’s Superman/Batman, The Justice League movie, and obviously… a supporting role in an Aquaman movie.

  • Samuel

    Not to mention, uhm, Marvel is giving a domestic abuser a movie before a female lead.

  • Lisa Liscoumb

    Yeah, I was thinking that too. :)

  • Anonymous

    Everything points to the Ant-Man movie being about Scott Lang, if that makes you feel any better.

  • Samuel

    Yes and no. Michael Douglas has still been tapped to play Hank Pym in the movie as well.

  • MyScienceCanBeatUpYourGod

    I worked on CA:WS. About all I can really tell you without violating my NDA is: it’s going to f*cking rock.
    That’s about all I can say but I will leave you with four more words:
    Falcon
    Batroc the Leaper

    ’nuff said

  • AKB

    Black Widow? Sharon Carter?

  • Emily Neenan

    I think it was Feige who said, on being asked about a female-led Marvel movie, “Wait until you see Winter Soldier.” The follow-up was, yes, it’s great to have Black Widow holding a big role in that, but it’s not the same as having her own movie, and he repeated his “Wait and see.”. If the ending or stinger of CA:WS is NOT a set-up for a Black Widow movie, I will be calling him a coward and a liar.

    Marvel, sort yourself out, base Phase 3 around Black Widow and Captain Marvel, give Wasp equal billing to Ant-Man, and start thinking about She-Hulk and Spider Woman. And for goodness sake, “Africa” is not harder than Asgard; go get yourself some Black Panther!

  • Anonymous

    2 more guys, no more women … yay? Don’t get me wrong, I love Captain America, but I really think Marvel can do better.

  • http://pontoonification.blogspot.com/ AverageDrafter

    Come on… is Batroc in purple and gold? RoboZola in there somewhere?

    I’m dieing here man!

  • Katie Frederick

    Yeah I’m just going to jump on the good news here and say that all the positive buzz Captain America: The Winter Soldier is getting has got me SO excited, because I can’t help it. Winter Soldier is my FAVORITE character, and this is one of my most favorite comic arcs, so the idea that this movie is going to rock just makes me so happy.
    (though I’m still totally on board that we need more lady superhero movies. I just can’t be mad at Marvel yet. We keep making noise, they’ll listen)

  • Adrian

    It’s a sound business decision based on the buzz the film is getting with it’s trailer and early screenings. It’s how all sequels are considered.

  • Mark Matson

    I am kind of under the impression that if Marvel had Wonder Woman then we’d have that movie by now, so we’re getting the worst of both worlds. But yeah, the list of movies is getting awfully long without one being female led.

  • Adrian

    I highly doubt the abuser version of Hank Pym will be part of the film universe, which is separate from the comics.

    Isn’t the whole abuse thing based on a mistake that the artist made after misinterpreting the writer’s words?

  • Lup Lun

    Three things: One, if you’re saying that all of Marvel’s movies have done well, then I think you’ve got selective memory. Remember Ghost Rider? Or Fantastic 4? Or Punisher? Or the Spider-Man reboot? I could go on. One and a half: remember that the last time they did try a superheroine film, it was Elektra. And that bombed so hard that it sent Jennifer Garner’s career into a slump.

    Two, remember that people didn’t really didn’t have a problem with the lack of superheroine films until a few years ago; I think around 2012 was the first I heard serious complaints. Hollywood can have a very, very slow development cycle; In the case of the MCU, given the continuity between films, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a road map or something planning out which movie comes next. They may not have been able to find someplace where it can slot in. Or they may not have the time. Making a movie requires an investment, and it requires a release date on the calendar. Both are limited, so no matter how many projects you want to do, there’s always going to be a bottleneck.

    Three, keep in mind that feminists are not 100% on board with a Black Widow movie. Some like her, but others object to her fanservicey costume and her work with highly-sexualized femme fatale tropes.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah that was my first reaction to the whole “Meanwhile WB can’t make ONE Wonder Woman movie”.

    And ironically enough they used the exact same excuse (“Well they’re too tricky/confusing!”) whens someone asked why they won’t make Black Panther.

  • Anonymous

    I’m actually way more excited about that than anything else.

  • Anonymous

    Be careful what you wish for. They’ll greenlight a Captain Marvel movie but make the entire movie about Mar-Vell instead of Carol Danvers or Monica Rambeau.

  • Anonymous

    Just out of curiosity: Why the dig at WB/DC there? What about “Marvel Announced Captain America 3. Still no Captain Marvel movie.”

    It seems kind of dick to bash WB for not having a female led movie, when they’re still struggling and only have one movie in their universe released so far. But, to hold Marvel up as better, despite the fact that, what, 12 movies in (including announced films), still no female led flick.

    So, where’s the dig at Marvel?

  • Anonymous

    Hell, if you want to be real technical about it … however much the movie may have sucked beyond words, WB at least gave us the “Catwoman” flick, in which the main character was both female and black. And however much we might wish that movie had never been made, it was.

    WB, as awful as most of its DC properties are, gave us a female POC led movie in Catwoman.

    Where’s Marvel Studio’s film led by a female, or a POC, much less both?

  • Jason Rye

    In regards to your first point, Marvel didn’t make any of those movies, Fox and Sony made those. When talking about the movies Marvel has made it’s typically in reference to Marvel Studios and the Avenger phases films.

  • Adrian

    On top of Jason Rye’s point, I’d like to add that The Amazing Spider-Man did very well, though it isn’t a Marvel Studios film.

  • Travis

    Everybody used to know this until Mark Millar took the running joke and played it straight in The Ultimates.

    Its gone so far that Marvel made him a pacifist in the Earths mightiest heroes cartoon,which was actually kinda neat.

  • Charlie

    In addition to this, it’s worth remembering that Disney stopped the makers of Iron Man 3 from including a storyline where Tony would become an alcoholic. So I doubt they’d avoid that storyline but then allow another movie to include a domestic abuser for a protagonist.

  • Anonymous

    A Black Widow and Captain Marvel movie seem the most likely, since Black Widow’s already established and Captain Marvel would be easy to include.

    Wasp getting equal billing would probably be more likely if her name was in the title, and since it’s not, I wouldn’t get my hopes up.

    To get to She-Hulk, we need to get another Hulk movie first (not something fun to hear, but it’s true).

    Spider-Woman…not likely. At least not until the reboot Spider-Man films are over and done with.

    However, Black Panther movie is supposedly “definitely in development”.

    But I think it’s a bit harsh to call the guy a coward and liar if Winter Soldier doesn’t lead to Black Widow. Unless Natasha somehow gets ahold of an Infinity Gem.

  • Anonymous

    I was actually kind of wondering what they could even DO with Black Widow. Origin story? Spy flick?

    Seems like a Captain Marvel movie would be the better shot, since her history and rouge’s gallery is a lot more expansive and untapped.

  • TKS

    Asking without any subtext: Do you have a source for that? I’d really like to read it.

  • TKS

    I haven’t heard much of “highly sexualized femme fatale tropes” after Avengers, wherein her character was used to actively subvert said tropes…

  • TKS

    In the interest of fairness, WB hasn’t released 1 movie. They’ve released/announced 20 in the past 36 years. Why do people keep asserting that they’re just starting out?

    I will grant you that WB has made two out of the 20 about a single female superhero. You mention Catwoman, though I’d argue that bad representation can be more harmful than no representation (not bad as in “bad movie”)

    And I haven’t seen Supergirl. Did anyone?

    Yes, Marvel needs to make (at least) a movie featuring a solo woman. But WB/DC’s the one saying that one of it’s three most important characters are women and aren’t backing it up.

  • Charlie

    Personally I’d prefer it if Winter Soldier introduced a new heroine, rather than setting up a Black Widow movie. But I’d be cool with a BW film too.

    From what I can gather, by the end of Phase 2 we’ll have seen 3 female ‘superheroes’- Black Widow, Gamora, and Scarlet Witch. None of which will have led their own movie. Conversely, we will have seen… 11 (?) male heroes- Iron Man, Rhodey, Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, Peter Quill, Drax, Groot, Rocket Racoon, and Quicksilver (though obviously a couple of these are non-human in appearance, but still male). And 5 of them will have led a movie, with 2 of them doing so twice, and 1 of them headlining three movies. Which is quite frustrating.

    Though obviously this doesn’t take other types of character into account. Or Agents of Shield.

    I’m not sure they can us Spider Woman while the rights to Spider-Man are still with another studio. And it seems that Hulk isn’t going to have any more of his own movies, so I’m not sure they’d introduce She-Hulk. Though she’d probably be easier to make interesting movies out of.

  • Charlie

    Sure! I actually first read about it in an issue of Empire, but obviously this was about a year ago, so I’m not sure where I’ve put it. So I’ve found a couple of interviews with Shane Black where the subject was brought up.

    In this interview (from around the time of the movie’s release) the director mentions that the studio advised them against having Tony be a heavy drinker in the film because of the child audience:

    http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=77995#hYelKfDWMyiMlKYE.99

    Though he also admits that having Tony battle alcoholism as well as the Mandarin might have been a bit much.

    Interestingly he also refers to the ‘Demon in a Bottle’ storyline in an interview from 2011, where he seems to say that he didn’t use the storyline out of personal choice, rather than because he was encouraged not to:

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35202

    “When talking about “Iron Man,” you’ve mentioned “Demon In A Bottle” a couple of times — is that sort of darker tone something that you want to play with in the movie?

    No, because if we go there — it’s part of Tony’s character, but I think the “Demon In A Bottle” aspect, if you go there, you really have to go there. The film then becomes about that, because the journey that involves recovering from alcoholism is an entire movie. I mean, I want to keep it dark and interesting and edgy and spicy and all those things, but I don’t think we want to go as far as to deal with Tony’s descent into alcoholic madness. That’s maybe not where we want to be.”

    Though obviously it’d be easier to talk about issues with the studio after the film was completed. Still, maybe it wasn’t as much of a studio mandate as I had heard.

  • Richard Grant

    Yes, if Amazing Spider-Man was a financial failure, then every Marvel Studios film apart from Iron Man 3 and The Avegers were failures!
    It made over 750 million world-wide, making it the most successful franchise reboot film so far, got very positive reviews upon release from most critics, is the second most successful Spider-Man film internationally, even though it made slightly less domestically.
    The myth that it was somehow not a success just doesn’t hold up too any rational measurement of a successful film!

    Also, to Lup Lun, the earliest I remember questions about the lack of a female solo film was around 2010 when Black Widow first appeared in Iron Man 2, and Marvel spoke vaguely about doing a solo film for her somewhere down the line.

  • Charlie

    Apparently Winter Soldier is going for a 1970s spy movie feel, so it wouldn’t be unprecedented.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, true. I just hope they can keep they same consistently “superhero” vibe as they’ve done with the other first installments in the MCU, and not as “bland tasting spy story” as AOS has been lately.

  • Charlie

    Oh yeah, I’d rather they avoid doing what Agents of Shield sometimes falls into. Sometimes it doesn’t it feel like it exists in the same universe as the movies.

    If they did make a Black Widow movie, it would probably work best if the villain was super-powered, or had something that would keep the comic-book feel. Or if one of the other Avengers was around as a secondary character.

  • Anonymous

    *sigh* It hurts me on a deep level that Agents isn’t as good as it could be. Hopefully the fact that the ratings are stable and relatively still high will give it chances to find itself.

    And yeah, another character on the side would probably work best. A shame, since it would feel like the one female Avenger so far can’t hold a movie on her own, but that should be negligible as long as they keep the focus on her. Hawkeye would likely be the most fitting, since he’s the only one besides her with the least screentime and they have apparent history and chemistry. It also might even out the fact that Wasp isn’t in the title of the Ant-Man movie.

  • Anonymous

    As this article is about a Marvel movie should it not better read “still no Ms Marvel movie”?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not suggesting they’re just starting out, but I am only comparing the cinematic universes, because it’s only *now* that any kind if plan exists. But, ok, fine, you want to discuss WB/DC historically?

    Off the top of my head, WB has given us Catwoman, Steel, & Supergirl. Whether those movies were good or not is besides the point–the point is that they *exist*. Two female led movies, two POC led movies–one of which was both!

    You cannot then argue that bad movies are worse than no movies. Sorry. You can’t. Whether or not you or anyone liked the movies doesn’t matter, what matters is that WB made those movies. Yet Marvel Studios, a studio that has yet to have a single flop, hasn’t.

    WB/DC has taken those risks in the past, prior to having a cinematic universe of any kind. Yet, Marvel is now 13 movies into their Cinematic Universe and *still* doesn’t have a female led movie, or a movie led by a POC.

    You, besides TDK Trilogy (and some would say MOS), WB is overwhelmingly considered to have piss-poor judgement and the common thought is that they have no damn idea what they’re doing.

    Yet, Marvel Studios “has a plan”–and has yet to have one single commercial or critical failure. Even The Incredible Hulk was a success (just not to their liking).

    So, 13 movies into a franchise that has been *overwhelmingly” successful … and no POC or female led films. Every POC or female character is a secondary character in a white guy’s movie.

    Yet, the studio that is notorious for routinely fucking up is the one getting the hate for not making female or POC led movies, despite the fact that they have, in the past, taken those risks?

    Why be pissed off at a studio that is notorious for making shitty decisions, but not be pissed off at a studio that is notorious for making *amazing* movies … yet still won’t make a movie led by a woman or a POC?

    That’s hypocritical as shit … and people refuse to acknowledge that hypocrisy. This just smacks of “Fuck WB, they don’t know what they’re doing!!!” but “Oh god, Marvel Studios *fap*fap*fap*!!!” when Marvel Studios is the one that should, really, be doing better.

  • CeeV

    Both a Black Widow origin story and a spy flick sound good to me, but what I’d *really* love to see is something that uses Avengers Assemble #12 as a jumping-off point. Natasha’s debts, backstory involving her less than savory past, lizard people, and a Black Widow/Spider-Woman/Hawkeye team-up…so much great potential! And its greatest drawback was that it was too short and left too much unexplored, so it would really benefit from being expanded into a full-length film.

  • dontmindme

    Four words: Black Widow Bond movie. Clint can be one of her Bond girls.

  • CeeV

    Re: feminists and Black Widow.

    1) Well, of course feminists aren’t 100% on board with a Black Widow movie, because we’re not a monolith. If (some) feminists can dislike Thelma & Louise–which is in fact something that’s been known to happen–then for sure (some) feminists can dislike a Black Widow movie. That said, I and all of the other feminists I’m personally acquainted with think she’s awesome.

    2) How is this comment even relevant? Marketing a female-led film (superhero or otherwise) only to feminists makes about as much sense as marketing a superhero film (female-led or otherwise) only to comics fans; both approaches are virtually guaranteed to lose the studio a lot of money. As films from The Wizard of Oz to Catching Fire demonstrate, however, audiences are more than capable of enjoying female-led films regardless of whether they identify as feminists. And if Marvel produces a truly excellent female-led superhero film, then I’m confident that audiences will turn out to watch it, too.

  • Cellism

    It’s a question of whether it’s ‘worse’ to have more creative opportunities to make female-led movies (like WB with Wonder Woman and Fox with the X-Men do) or to have more logistical opportunities to make female-led movies (like Marvel with its universe).

    I would personally argue the fact that WB have made a butt-load of Superman and Batman films while never going near Wonder Woman and the X-Men franchise’s screwing over of female characters (Rogue, Storm, Rogue, Kitty, Rogue again) is less fair to representation than Marvel’s lack of a female-helmed movie given there’s no singular headline female character available to them on the scale of those.

    That said, Marvel hurry up already.

  • Cellism

    Spider-Woman isn’t actually related to Spider-Man, the only reason she was created was to stop DC using the name. She might fall under their rights but I highly doubt it, she wasn’t even bitten by a spider?

  • CeeV

    Why does there need to be another Hulk movie before we can have a She-Hulk movie? Do an origin story for her–which would necessitate including Hulk as one of the supporting characters; promote the hell out of his presence in the film, both to draw a bigger audience and so that non-comics fans aren’t going in blind; and then focus on her (much more interesting and film-worthy, imo) story.

    Hulk’s better as a supporting character anyway. There’s a *reason* people refer to The Avengers as the best Hulk film ever made. So, really, the approach I outlined above has the potential to make everyone happy.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Or introduce Carol in a previous movie, and make Captain vs Captain a movie?

    That’s one thing I like about Cap more than the other Avengers, is that he allows room for women to be badass around him, maybe even more badass than he is(Peggy4LYFE). Whereas both Jane and Pepper, while cool, typically relegated to plot points, macguffins and love interests.

  • Kol Drake

    Agents basically had to use the first half of it’s season to establish some things for the non-Marvel fandom… and yes, for the die hards, it was boring since it didn’t have a superhero show up every episode… but then again, it’s called “Agents of SHIELD” not — SHIELD and Friends.

    The second half of AoS will be seeing cameos of Sif, the intro of Deathlok and more as the more ‘super’ half of their universe nudges them toward Winter Soldier (SHIELD being more dark then expected/not the ‘fun’ agency of the 60s/70s) and the Ultron/Thanos phases.

  • Kol Drake

    Since Black Widow has a loooong history — first as a Soviet Era / Cold War spy; then ‘bad girl’ versus Iron Man; then as a kind of reformed spy/hero with Hawkeye; then as full blown solo Black Widow and later her association with the Avengers and SHIELD… so plenty of bits to use as ‘filler’….. for a full blown stand alone movie though, they would have to grab one of her more killer appearances and kind of edit out whatever ‘other’ superhero was participating.

  • CeeV

    I basically agree with this comment. At the moment, I’m crankiest with Marvel for not giving Wasp a bigger role in the upcoming Ant-Man movie (based on the admittedly little info we have on the film) and for not taking the opportunity to include more than one female member on the Guardians of Galaxy team. And, yes, Karen Gillan and Glenn Close are in the film, too, and that’s genuinely great. But that doesn’t negate the fact that the *team* is 4/5 male, when it would’ve been incredibly easy to make it 4/6 male instead.

    Though if we don’t get Black Widow and/or Captain Marvel and/or Spider-Woman and/or She-Hulk and/or Runaways films *soon*, then I’m quite sure my crankiness will increase accordingly.

  • TKS

    I’m not excusing Marvel of not having a movie lead by a woman or parson of color, but WB is the second largest movie studio in the country, with over 15% of the market share (only Sony is bigger.). This “slam” on WB isn’t necessarily because they aren’t making movies lead by women, the slam is because, despite being one of the largest media corporations in the world, WB isn’t making any sort of plan, where as Marvel’s always had their ducks in a row.

    And my comment about bad representation wasn’t about the quality of the movie, it was about how the way the character was presented can be harmful rather than helpful. Black Widow in Avengers wasn’t the solo hero, but she can still be a better, more feminist, representation than Catwoman (though, I haven’t seen Catwoman in a long time.)

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t care a bit about it not having Marvel comics characters in it – the problem is that the main characters aren’t well-developed and the dialogue is poor. I was hoping for something on a par with Fringe, and Agents of Shield doesn’t even come close.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Apparently, “feminists” dislike of Black Widow, is why we don’t have a Black Widow movie? IDK, I didn’t understand that part of the comment either.

  • Cellism

    I would definitely agree with all those comments. I think (looking back on it in the future) Phase 2 will be seen as the introduction of loads of building blocks into the Marvel universe that are all important for what will follow (even if they’re not pushing boundaries on their own).

    A big chunk of Iron Man 3 was showing other characters use the suits (notably Iron Patriot and Rescue, albeit briefly) and that’s part of characters becoming legacy characters in the universe. Similarly, The Dark World really positioned ‘The Infinity Gems!’ as what’s going to propel the main narrative for the next 5 years.

    Moving forward, Winter Soldier is really going to begin to destabilise SHIELD and potentially destabilise Steve Rogers *as* Cap, again introducing legacy. Most obviously, Guardians of the Galaxy (a relatively unknown property) is the MCU’s way of introducing *space* into the context of what’s happening. Similarly, Age of Ultron is going to introduce ‘magic’ with Scarlet Witch.

    A lot of those things have been about advancing what we already had rather than introducing entire new concepts (Guardians aside) but they’re all intended to flesh out the world and give it more narrative space to explore moving forward.

    (Of course the diversity within that could have been more notable but they were limited in what they could play with from Phase 1. The Marvel One Shots have branched out in this regard as well.)

    Basically, you can’t really have a Black Widow movie without some kind of instability in SHIELD because Black Widow is firmly rooted in that world. There needs to be some kind of tension moving forward that makes SHIELD almost a villain within itself to creative narrative intrigue.

    Similarly, you can’t have Captain Marvel without the Kree or things like that. (I mean obviously you could reconceptualise it but we can’t deal with another ‘failed super-soldier serum’ origin story.) Carol’s new run sees her going into space and temporarily joining the Guardians for World Comic Book Day so their connections are pretty obvious.

    She-Hulk and Spider-Woman are both perceived as distaff versions of their male counterparts even though they’re clearly not. Personally I think Shulkie would do much better on TV but that’s because she lends herself to procedural law firm shenanigans.

  • Emily Neenan

    I don’t think it’s harsh to call him a coward and liar for essentially avoiding the question of a female-led movie by repeatedly referring to a male-led movie, unless it was because he couldn’t announce the female-led movie it set up. Otherwise he’s essentially doing
    Journalist: “What about a female-led movie?”
    Kevin Feige: “Black Widow is pretty cool, isn’t she?”
    J: “Yes, but she’s a supporting character. What about a female-LED movie?”
    KF: “Black Widow is really cool! Lalala not listening!”

  • Anonymous

    Uh, there’s PLENTY. The Cold War as a response to the superheroes developed in World War II is a great mesh of both period (something Cap 1 did well), superheroes (hooking Widow’s origin to the post-war Russian response to Cap, threading in Winter Soldier as an element) and her journey to redemption (starting of believing in the ideals, witnessing the corruption, breaking free) with Yelena, Alexei as effective foils, ending with Widow breaking free and eventually turning rogue or coming over to Shield by way of Fury or Clint.

    There’s PLENTY. This weird dismissive “Black Widow doesn’t have a story!” is patently false.

    Not even touching on this weird idea that for a movie to be good or received well it has to have a strong villain. Whiplash has never been a “big” Iron Man villain, much less Killian.

  • Charlie

    Ah, I got her mixed up with Spider-Girl. Yeah, they probably can use her, though the current Spider-Man movies might influence how they’d include/ market her.

  • MyScienceCanBeatUpYourGod

    Batroc will be portrayed by former UFC welterweight Georges St Pierre.

    I can’t say sh!t about his costume or the SHIELD agent with the sniper rifle in the tree outside my apartment will pop me.

  • MyScienceCanBeatUpYourGod

    Batroc will be portrayed by former UFC welterweight Georges St Pierre.

    I can’t say sh!t about his costume or the SHIELD agent with the sniper rifle in the tree outside my apartment will pop me.

  • Anonymous

    You know, I didn’t say Black Widow doesn’t have a story. I’m simply not that familiar with the character to be able to imagine what they would do for a hypothetical Black Widow film, besides the stuff I was talking about with Charlie.

  • Anonymous

    Huh, that does sound good. Especially since it can come from an established and well known point in the character’s publication history.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Wonder Woman’s lack of a movie is a lot less tolerable considering how prominent she is in the comics…and the fact that movies about mythology have been around longer than spy movies, so whatever excuses there are for not making a WW movie are even MORE nonexistent.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Wonder Woman’s lack of a movie is a lot less tolerable considering how prominent she is in the comics…and the fact that movies about mythology have been around longer than spy movies, so whatever excuses there are for not making a WW movie are even MORE nonexistent.

  • Anonymous

    Huh, hadn’t thought about that. Although I doubt it’d make EVERYONE happy because…well, nothing can. And even a good outline can be ruined by poor execution.

  • Anonymous

    I’d still wait until we get the Phase 3 line-up. A movie in the middle of this phase doesn’t necessarily need to lead into a spin-off movie about a supporting character…unless, again, Black Widow’s movie is integral to the upcoming movie arcs. However, if it isn’t even on the list of upcoming movies for the next few years, by all means, name-call away.

  • Anonymous

    You not knowing Black Widow’s history is not something inherent in the character though.

  • Anonymous

    …did I say it was?