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I Want to Believe

Exec. Producer of FIFA’s Video Games Says No Women This Year, Will Happen “At Some Point”


David Rutter, executive producer of the official yearly FIFA video games featuring the exclusive likenesses of professional soccer players and teams from around the world, has said that including any women or women’s teams in the game is something that will happen. Naturally, it won’t be in this year’s FIFA ’13, and he can provide no time table as to when women’s national teams will actually make it into the game, or a game.

Now before you roll your eyes (because I rolled my eyes) and move on, you should hear the rest of what he had to say.

Rutter’s comments came in response to an internet petition begun by psychologist, gamer, Brazillian expat, and football/soccer fan Fernanda Schabarum, which called for EA Sports to add women’s national teams to their globally popular annual video game series. And unlike the vast majority of internet petitions, this one actually got some traction, with Schabarum and Rutter setting up a meeting.

Schabarum thinks including a women’s team perfectly feasible, and very important. From Kotaku:

“I’m a psychologist, so I know that when children play a game, it’s not just that their favorite player or team is scoring a goal or winning, they feel like they are too,” she said. “Girls should have the same right. David’s daughters should have that right, too.”

To his credit, Rutter (whose two young daughters are soccer players) seems mostly wary of making a half-assed concession to women in sports, like alternate skins or models, a different play mode, or a tie in instead of a good, standalone game. He was involved in the making of Mia Hamm 64 Soccer for the Nintendo 64, which was not well received and, because it was basically a reskinned version of another game featuring a male soccer star, it appeared “more of cynical marketing tactic than a game really interested in women’s sports.”

“We want to make the best fundamental simulation of football,” Rutter said. “When it gets to a point where we’re considering a feature’s inclusion because it benefits everyone, then it becomes a priority. The key thing about delivering on it, is that it has to be of very good quality, very high value, rather than just an acknowledgment of women in football.”

Schabarum says that as a fan, she respects the game’s commitment to realism: she wouldn’t want a game where women’s teams compete against men’s teams, or where you could create a female Career Campaign character who plays on an otherwise completely male field, because unlike some other sports, those things simply don’t happen in professional soccer. Like Rutter, she wants something that pays an honest tribute to the accomplishments of female soccer players and to the legitimacy of their game.

For now, at least, it’s up to folks like Schabarum and anybody else who wants to see women’s football on their consoles to hold Rutter accountable to his statements.

(via Kotaku.)

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  • Anonymous

    fun > realism

  • http://www.facebook.com/devildinosaur Kevin Newburn

    There’s nothing inherently different about women’s soccer vs men’s soccer, other than the speed and size of the players.  You could either reskin an existing game like Winning Eleven or FIFA or you could build a new game from scratch that would probably be awful.

    The biggest thing going against a stand alone women’s soccer game is that there’s no legitimate women’s soccer league in the states anymore.  Most people who play FIFA or Winning Eleven don’t play as a country they play as a club.

  • Anonymous

    What a waste of time. Lets see I can pick the faster stronger characters to play with or the slower not as skilled ones. It sounds great and very pc but in the end its a waste of time and resources. Sounds like a guy who wanted to get good Press and PR and not be truthful.

  • Anonymous

    “there’s no legitimate women’s soccer league in the states anymore.”
    Yes, but America is not the world …

  • Anonymous

    “… it appeals to the International audience that loves Mens Football and doesn’t even think for a second about womans soccer.”

    Tell that to the 80,000 people who paid serious money to watch the Olympic women’s soccer final in London.

  • http://www.facebook.com/devildinosaur Kevin Newburn

    You’re implying that there are legit women’s soccer leagues around the world.  There just aren’t.  There are women’s professional teams, usually associated with men’s clubs, but they pale in comparison.  For instance Arsenal LFC plays in a stadium with roughly 1,000 seats. 

    That’s why the best players in the world play on national teams that constantly tour, right now it’s the only way to make a living playing soccer if you’re woman.

  • http://twitter.com/steviferg stevi ferg

     Agree. Personally, I’d love to play a game in which the US men’s team and women’s team could be blended. Even in Real Life, a few of our Lady Yanks on the pitch might give the men a fighting chance to win something…

  • http://twitter.com/junkietwt junkie

    Kevin, I agree with you that there aren’t women’s soccer leagues around the world like men’s, not even close. But why do we have to wait for THAT to happen? Why can’t we think about the other way around? We’re talking about a video game, a game that could actually build young girls interest and then maybe somewhere down the line we’ll have women’s soccer leagues across the world just like the men’s. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Motivation and inspiration to play the game in real life or on a console can cross path.

  • http://www.facebook.com/devildinosaur Kevin Newburn

    I like that I forgot the “a” in “you’re a woman” so it sounds more like “you woman me man, you no understand offsides rule”

  • Anonymous

    The best players don’t play on national teams that “constantly tour”, no… They play in various national leagues, for example the Swedish one. Or don’t you consider F. ex. Marta one of the best?

  • Anonymous

    Great every 4 years people care about the World Cup & Olympics. Any big female leagues around the world? No, not even a big female club team that anyone can name. EA isn’t in the business to sell 100,000 games their looking to move millions. And the rest of the world doesn’t care about the female game of soccer no matter how big the ratings are in the US. EA isn’t in the business to lose or waste any money look up just a little on their awful business practices.

  • Anonymous

    ok, now if they added a dimension onto their million-selling game that then garnered an extra 100,000 sales, wouldn’t that be worthwhile?  Where’s the drive to pull casual women gamers into being serious games?
    I know enough women who enjoy football that it makes me think there’s a market for this

  • http://www.facebook.com/devildinosaur Kevin Newburn

    Sorry Junkie, I’m not saying I’m not for adding women to existing games.  I’m saying doing it would be tricky.  You couldn’t just take FIFA and add a bunch of women’s clubs because there aren’t a bunch of women’s clubs.  It would also be hard to get the real players likenesses because they’re not in a players union like the men are. You could do it, it’s just that it’s more complicated than just adding a women to an existing game (even though from a techincal stand point it shouldn’t be)

    Naishee, Marta plays overseas because Brasil barely even has a women’s soccer federation.  If she could make the same money the Canadian or US Women do on their national teams she wouldn’t be playing in Sweden.  Also she’s way overrated..  USA USA USA

  • http://www.facebook.com/devildinosaur Kevin Newburn

    My fear would be a real condescending game filled with cartoonish versions of Hope Solo and Alex Morgan where the goal lights up with rainbows and sparkles everytime you score.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Travis.K.Fischer Travis Kyle Fischer

    Is EA invested in women’s soccer leagues?

  • Anonymous

    While the attendance figure was great, it is a fact that the global audience prefers Men’s football.

  • Anonymous

    just have the national teams I guess. Women’s club football just isn’t big.

  • Anonymous


    Even in Real Life, a few of our Lady Yanks on the pitch might give the men a fighting chance to win something…”

    That is a huge pile of horseshit. The Men’s games here several decades behind Europe because of obvious reasons. When people question why the USMNT doesn’t have the sames level of success, they really are clueless about international soccer.

  • Anonymous

    Indeed, though as the article points out, thats not what the Fifa games are about – a simulation would be cool :-)

  • Anonymous

    Indeed, however we’re talking about playing oneself, not just watching.  Given the number of girls who play soccer at school, or even in my local park, it would seem that at least some would enjoy a good soccer game where they can play as part of a team they can identify with.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1064437317 Thalia Sutton

    I agree with you. The only thing that stops men’s and women’s teams from competing in real life is that no one in power makes that an option. But, in sports like tennis or golf, there have been historic matches between men and women, and they prove quite interesting.

    As a girl, growing up I would have loved to play as a female soccer player. But I would have been insulted to think that “I had to play on the girl’s team.” I don’t want to pitch my Mia Hamm soccer skills against other female players; I don’t know any. But I know male players. And, like my brothers on a school field in the afternoon, why can’t I play with them? That’s more representative of “reality,” and of children’s imaginations. To say that a female athlete can’t, in even a fictional sense, “play with the guys” (and vice versa), is just as insulting as having no women at at; perhaps even moreso, because it upholds divisions in a visible, concrete manner.

    Videogames exist to allow people to live out fantasies not typically available to them. To say “our gender boundaries are not realistic enough” is, frankly, complete crap that goes against the spirit of gaming.

  • Colt McIssac

    The concept of generating an entire version of FIFA or even segment with women football (soccer) teams may be to costly a venture. However, I am aware that additional custom players can be created, named and placed on teams. Why not add a few female figures to the custom player options? The young male gamers will ignore them (perhaps) and the young female gamers will have a peeked interest. As a male I don’t see how adding a custom option to select a female player will create a negative image of the game overall. Unrealistic? Perhaps. Adding myself is unrealistic. Those who want realism can keep the original team format.

  • MEl

    Add women nationals at least to fifa, and make their stats in 10s-20s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stanches21 Stanley Nowacki

    I think Womans soccer is more interesting than mens soccer because i think the US Womens soccer team is better than the US Mens soccer team.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stanches21 Stanley Nowacki

    Everybody knows that the women’s United States soccer Team is better then the United States Men. I would like to play as Alex Morgan, Abby Wambach and the rest of the female soccer players. I think it would be good for the game it’s self.

  • Adrian Veidt

    Not around the world. The german women’s Bundesliga is perhaps the best (but one of the best for sure) and a prestigious women’s association football league. I wonder why the United States don’t have a MLS for women anymore. I thought the support for women’s soccer in the U.S. is bigger than in every other country of the world?!

  • Adrian Veidt

    Good Reasoning. This really is realizable.

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