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Listen To Star Trek’s Q Sing The History Of My Little Pony, As A My Little Pony


We’ve seen John de Lancie do a lot of ridiculous things thanks to his time as Q on Star Trek: The Next Generation but this…this is something to behold. “Let’s Go and Meet the Bronies” was written by Lauren Faust, Amy Keating Rogers, and Zachary Lobertini and is part of a larger My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic documentary about the fandom. De Lancie voices Discord on the animated series and star Tara Strong adds her vocal stylings to the mix near the end. My life is better for watching this.

(via io9)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/anatasia.beaverhousen.7 Anatasia Beaverhousen

    I don’t care what Q says, gen 1 and 2 were my childhood and I loved them. *goes to sulk in a corner*

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t be a brony if it weren’t for that early indoctrination, absolutely. But the new show is WAY better.

  • Anonymous

    Tara’s bit at the end made up for John.

  • http://ravenlunatick.wordpress.com/ ravenlunatick

    I was about to comment: Clopping, please don’t make me google it. But then I did. And yeah.
    But I luuurv Q. And Tara Strong. She seems like Tress MacNeil (sp?) for a new generation.

  • redd

    My Little Pony Tales isn’t generation 2, it’s simply later version generation 1. Generation 2 doesn’t have a tv show and is significantly different stylistically, hence why it is called generation 2.

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    2:56-3:55

    “No, we’re not ‘bros,’ but we’re bronies, though ‘some’ prefer pegasisters.”

    I must be way out of this documentary’s viewpoint, as I just call myself a ‘fan,’ and I’m a woman… *Shrug*

    I admit, though, I would be more comfortable with the ‘pegasister’ label than the ‘brony’ label, because my “fairer sex” doesn’t have ‘enough’ female-words used as “empowerment” words, as it were (Like who uses “sissy” to mean anything “good?”), and why must we use the ‘female’ word ‘girly’ to mean something bad? “Girl-stereotypes” would’ve sufficed, as I personally don’t see people use “girly” enough in a positive context. Of course, that’s just how I’ve observed things, though, with this conclusion, I should probably start coming up another word to replace “tomboy (because of emphasis on ‘boy’),” too……. >_>’

  • http://twitter.com/thegaf The Gaf

    What about us accidental fans? The parents of young kids! You can absolutely watch these with your kids and enjoy it- same league as Phineas and Ferb. Although, I doubt I would wear a t-shirt or go to a MLP only con, we have a good time with it at home…

  • http://twitter.com/AngryHayley Her Majesty’s Wombat

    I was confused about his use of “Generations” too. I think he’s using Generations 1, 2 and 3 to talk solely about the three different MLP shows, not referring to Generations 1, 2 and 3 as Pony collectors use the term.

  • http://twitter.com/AngryHayley Her Majesty’s Wombat

    “My life is better for watching this.”

    WORD.

  • http://profiles.google.com/lowsee Heidi Mason

    Bonus points if you can name the show the song is from. Hint: Gilbert and Sullivan. (And though used in the 1982 movie, no, not that show.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    Eh, YMMV. Until Things Went Bad On The Internet, I liked calling myself a brony. I think the line there is less to say “it’s BRONY” and more that women can identify as a “brony” if they want to. Some of the more sexist commentary started out from guys who were snide as hell about women calling themselves “bronies.” Is it the only word? Nah. But it’s nice not to be told “no, you have to call yourself a PEGASISTER OR GTFO.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    Ha! Half-way through the first part I was getting kinda miffed with the whole “it’s dudes it’s dudes it’s dudes!” thing. Shoulda realized that nah, they wouldn’t leave it at that. Nicely down little treat for the fans. (And a good gentle reminder that the fandom isn’t the sole property of the dudes.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

    You make a good point right there-so much of our language is geared to place maleness as dominant, all-encompassing, normal, better, and as a first priority. Since we use this language constantly, every day, from the moment we fall out of the womb, it makes sense that a lot of people, many women included, don’t see this as an issue until it’s quite literally spelled out to them.

    Why SHOULD we always phrase it ‘men and women’ and not ‘women and men’? Why SHOULD we use ‘him’ as a neutral default until actual gender/lack of gender is specified? Why do we say ‘Hey, guys!’ or ‘What’s up, guys!’ as a way to generalize a group of any assortment, but never say ‘Hey, girls!’ unless we’re talking to women, specifically? Why is ‘having balls’ a compliment, and being called a ‘pussy’ an insult? Like you mentioned, why is calling a girl a ‘tomboy’ a compliment, but calling a boy a ‘girl’ demeaning? Tomgirl would never catch on. Hell, just the word ‘human’ has MAN in it.

    I’ve had people tell me I’m overthinking these things, when they have never once considered these issues for themselves. Isn’t that like never getting up to bat, and telling someone on the plate to stop swinging at the ball?

    Language is powerful, and that people don’t see this very common pattern speaks for itself. I’m very grateful for this show, then, that it places being a woman as not just great, but *normal*.

    This is a hefty comment and I apologize. You got me reflecting.

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    I don’t claim to be a linguistics specialist, so I guess “language speculation and analysis” has always just been a serious interest of mine, because when you try to express yourself and be proud to be ‘what’ and ‘who’ you are, I’ve noticed that the way language is ‘set up’ can pretty much tell you whether or not you “should,” if not, “can (EX: Women sure aren’t called ‘studs’ for being ‘promiscuous…’).”

    I see the inequalities of the way people speak to each other and have ‘theorized’ that the way people refer to other people, when they speak
    language, is a mental blueprint that stands as the ‘foundation’ for all physical actions after (Ex: “Rape Culture.”)

    *Theory Time*

    Oh, believe me, language is very, very MALE-centered, not including the addition of recent societal made-up word hybrids like ‘BROny,’ a significant amount of words in society revolve around MALE terms while fe-MALE terms are often an ‘extension’ of MALE-words (‘bachelor’ & ‘bachelorette’), if not created separately from a neutral term to “sex-mark” females (‘debutant’ & ‘debutante’). MALE-words quite often are conveniently slapped with the ‘neutral’ label, as if neutrality was a male trait unlike for females (‘hangman’).

    Considering age-old religions like Christianity ‘assumed’ the creator, God, was a man and that women came from men, as an expression of
    the universe revolving around the male identity, male is the original and
    therefore superior. But when later, ‘science,’ would discover that men came from women this had to become a crack in the “male superior, female inferior wall,” as I know I’ve heard men try to “prove” their “superiority” by making up yet another frivolous exaggeration that hinted men are ‘virtually’ an “improved” version of human unlike women. Note I’m not saying religion is to blame, but this kind of “culture” is ancient history and still thriving.

    Yet, with all this assured “male superiority,” language has
    yet to reflect physical reality, as language was created to do in the beginning, regardless of the best intentions for ‘all’ or not. Language still treats feMALES as if they were the ones with the XY Chromosome, the “other (‘MAN &’woMAN’)” and treats MALES like ‘people’ who do not need their ‘sex’ to identify them (‘penMAN’), as if they were the default like the XX Chromosome (Especially, yes, our species’ name is *Sigh* ‘huMAN’). It seems being the “origin” is seen as the most prominent ‘proof’ to reassure superiority, overall, because ‘fact’ is, ‘malekind’ couldn’t exist without the opposite sex and apparently, that ‘truth’ still stands as the ultimate threat to males’ presumed identity, which is to be the superior one (adding on, it’s a ‘bad’ identity for males to uphold and be encouraged to).

    To get some real-life implications of this, look at what I said in response to “FELLAS, THIS ANIMATION WILL EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE USELESS NIPPLES, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING:” http://www.themarysue.com/men-have-nipples/

    Especially, with no public or official motivation and determination to bring gender-NEUTRAL (and I mean words that don’t have MALE terms in them and possibly no male term origins in them, too) terms to stop men (and even women) from complaining and being too lazy to use separate words to describe the separate sexes (like imagine if all the female fans of MLP;FiM were ‘pegasisters’ and all the male fans were ‘bronies’ and just fans of both were a completely different word like and I’m just making this up now, “faonies.” You know fan and pony, together, which sounds like ‘fan,’ “faony?” :D), because of lack of a gender-neutral word. So especially, people wouldn’t have to use ‘HE’ to mean ‘HE’ or ‘sHE.’

    Basically my theory is, this thought-process and possible “backlash (males continuing to leave females’ input and influence out of their
    “word creating”)” suggests language was and still IS a reflection of male’s struggle for enforcing superiority, in a constantly reinforced MALE-centric linguistic way (male terms being virtually everywhere to mean everything).

    I bet if language wasn’t largely influenced by the patriarchy (‘Cause seriously, you think men’d let wo-MEN write the ‘dictionary’
    with them, back in the day, when even NOW males keep leaving out females’ impression in language?), language would be ‘drastically,’ no, DRAMTICALLY, ‘different’ in reference to both males and females and would probably have ‘decent’ terminology of gender-neutral words (like take how much better ‘firefighter’ is compared to something like ‘fireperson’) that aren’t insufficient in amount.

    As to respond to the specific words you said:

    “Him”

    I’ve been on forums where men (and they said they were men) acted so arrogantly, privileged, and insensitive to women on forums who disliked being ASSUMED a HE, because according to the language, “HE/HIM/HIS, is considered a personal pronoun, that indicates a person, that isn’t an ‘it,’ oh, and it also means a MALE pronoun, lol.” Yeah, I can’t believe society doesn’t find this a problem that puts an unfair hindrance to women, who don’t want to have to put their ‘sex symbol’ out there or be treated like a man, linguistically, but treated like a human or just a person….

    “balls”

    I do believe in word “claiming,” “reclamation (though, not for every word out there)” and “redefinition,” and after conversing about it on “THOR’S JAIMIE ALEXANDER ON WONDER WOMAN: IT’S EMBARRASSING FOR ME AS A WOMAN (http://www.themarysue.com/jaimie-alexander-wonder-woman/),” I’ve decided that there are at least ‘some’ women who see ‘balls’ as ‘ovaries (http://www.girlscantwhat.com/why-you-should-never-say-grow-a-pair/),’ but sadly, women don’t suggest that definition hard enough from what I’ve witnesses, for them to have fully “reclaimed” that word, but they should.

    “p*ssy”

    Personally, I don’t feel comfortable “claiming” the word ‘p*ssy,’ because the word sounds “weak” to me and I especially don’t want to call our vaginas such a weak sounding word. If there were an equally “weak-sounding” word for penises, maybe I wouldn’t be so hesitant. But, I don’t
    question women who are comfortable and see the opposite from what I do, and keep such labels for ‘themselves (just don’t call my genitals that).’

    “Tomboy”

    I think girls should just consider not using that word to describe themselves until boys start using “tomgirl.” Until then, girls should describe themselves as: athletic, “non-dressy”/”non-skirty”, “practic (just a made-up word for someone more concerned with ‘practicality’ than just for ‘looks’),” Or whatever sounds decent.

    You know, when I also think about it, I don’t see any boys/men calling themselves pegasisters as girls/women are calling themselves bronies, me thinks boys/men still don’t see girls and women as strong and independent enough, to use such female terms for themselves, as Lauren Faust (and other Feminists) had hoped to change such sexist bias in the first place?

    “Guy”

    This is hard for me to admit, but there are some words, I don’t mind using to describe myself as this is a word I actually try to “redefine,” to mean people instead of MALES, but of course this also means you’d have to be comfortable calling yourself a “GUY,” as far as the ‘singular’
    is concerned. Which no female should use until they’re comfortable with such terminology to describe themselves, too. Part of the reason why this is one of the few MALE-terms I ‘personally’ accepted, because back in the day I always saw “guy” to mean just person rather than men, and I would occasionally go crazy with the “guy” term after just fixing endless prefixes and suffixes to it after being exposed to the “Shy Guy” character and how people said “good guys” and “bad guys.”

    But as of ‘today,’ if I just expected everyone to see it “my way,” I’d be as guilty as the other women for not “claiming” their own accepted word ‘hard enough (by ‘constantly’ saying these words ‘mean’ that and so on, until it’s in everyone’s “subconscious”),’ so I don’t expect other women to accept this word as I have and the possible others who have also put similar thought into their use of the ‘questionable’ word (you have to be comfortable being ‘individually’ called a “guy,” if you’re going to call your own ‘group’ “guys”).

    Keep in mind, “guy” is one of the FEW male-centric origin words (‘dude’ would have to be another) that ‘I’ accept only because I personally like the word and try to “redefine” it, because it doesn’t have a male prefix or suffix, ‘boy,’ ‘bro,’ ‘man,’ ‘his,’ ‘him,’ and ‘he’ in it, so it’s definitely easier to “claim” the word, in my opinion.

    So when it comes to newly-made terms like ‘brony’ I clearly stay away, as it’s male-centrism of the ‘bro’ used as a prefix makes it impossible to “redefine” to me.

    But, for the sake of gender-neutrality (that doesn’t have male-origins like “guy”), we all could just put a spin on “person/s” and just say “perses” or “perse,” to talk about a group of people or a person, respectively (“Hey, perses!”)….

    *Nervous Laughter* I know, it ‘sounds’ stupid, my made-up words, but language itself is stupid, for its built-in sexism. Overall, we Feminists seriously should consider an official ‘Feminist Dictionary,’ that isn’t written in stone, so contributions and interpretations can be made satisfactory to all women and girls

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    But, ‘brony’ still is mentioned a lot more than ‘pegasister,’ and if you look at the video on YouTube, the poster of the video only says, “Thank you very much for your support. Stay brony!” No, pegasister to be found, so women aren’t really being given a ‘choice,’ other than just to “go along with it, because it’s “popular!”"

    Which is why I personally found it extra troubling by the way the “leader” mare said “…though ‘some’ prefer pegasisters.,” as if being a pegasister is an “unusual” term for a woman or girl to choose instead of just “going along with” brony because it’s, “What everyone does!”

    “Some of the more sexist commentary started out from guys who were snide as hell about women calling themselves “bronies.” Is it the only word? Nah. But it’s nice not to be told “no, you have to call yourself a PEGASISTER OR GTFO.”"

    I don’t know what you mean by this in reference to what I said, but another reason why I never considered calling myself a ‘brony’ is because males (and even females), even citing “love and tolerance,” still don’t seem that much more ‘progressive’ than any other fandom, and to be expected to use a word I feel is contributing to “male-centrism” culture, is adding insult to injury and misguided.

    here’s what I said in “THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE FAKE GEEK GIRL: WHY WE’RE THREATENED BY FALSIFIED FANDOM:”

    Dang it, you say a Word or Words and your Whole Reply gets Deleted. I was Only trying to Explain what the ‘H** in Hoenies’ Means in Offensive Contexts. I don’t remember my Whole Post nor do I know if my Old Text is ever going to come back. But I’ll just try to Reiterate what I said, because I think it Needs to be Made Aware.

    ‘Bronies’ are Not much better and can be just as Hypocritical as ANY Other Fan Group:

    If you ever heard of “Bronies Before Hoenies”.

    http://img.neoseeker.com/mgv/4...

    The Image makes no sense at all because the Ponies they Admire are Female (‘Hoenies’) and the Term ‘Brony’ still Doesn’t Sound Fitting for Females (‘Filly’/'Mare’).

    To see how this “Saying” gets Applied in Real Life and how the Term ‘Brony’ was probably Never meant to be Inclusive, at all:

    0:26-0:48

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    Ouch, People from the Brony Community just had to be so Exclusive from girls and women and make up another word for ‘h**,’ for them. Not just that, I even remember Finding a Similar Image from Above From Google about Mrs. Cake being a “Whorse” because of the Baby Cakes Episode and I can’t find the Specific Offending Image Anymore but only have this Reassurance as my Proof that something Sexist was being thrown at the Character:http://bronyetiquette.tumblr.c...

    From being Bullied themselves, the Bronies Preach “Love & Tolerance” but Enough of Them Don’t seem to Grasp That Concept Nor, “Practice What You Preach,” by ‘Loving’ Femalekind as Equally Worthy Beings as Malekind and ‘Tolerate’ Femalekind for their Mistakes as Imperfect Beings like Malekind.

    I Applauded the ‘Bronies’ at first for their Message but got Lost After seeing so much Open Misogyny soon after. My Kind and I have been Scapegoated and Shunned for so long that it just Sucks the Life Out of You when you Start to Trust These Kind of Groups, ‘Bronies,’ but Meet the True FAKES like these kind of people, the So-Called Fans, who make their whole Group look as Bad as School Bullies, if Said Group was Serious about what they Said in the First Place. You just can’t help but get ‘Paranoid’ soon after and when the males will Refuse to Listen and Blame you After Explaining your ‘Trust Issues’ because it Involves them, because “Male’s are Never the Reason why Female’s Lives are Horrible…” I’ve always Believed and still do, that Male’s Plights are Relative to Female’s Plights, but after This Reoccurring Cycle from so many Hypocrites for so long, I can’t help but think this after First Hearing “how hard Male Fans have it:” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    Double Standards and Sexist Words are Thrown at the Female Characters, too (This Show sure does Definitely Test people’s ‘Love & Tolerance’ for Femalekind with its Majority Female Cast), and People will say things like, “Honestly, why do people like Trixie so much? In my opinion, she is just another b*tch like Diamond Tiara of Gilda.”

    http://mlpforums.com/topic/243...

    People will say things and act like Diamond Tiara, Gilda, or just any ‘Mean Female Character (But will Strangely Not Count Male Villains like, Discord. Because Men get to be Evil and Applauded for it, or get a “Slap on the Wrist” at most, while Women get Lambasted & Ostracized Constantly and Extremely for the Same Actions or Similar.)’ are the Worst of the Worst when those Characters, as Mean as they are, at least seem like Equal Opportunity Offenders and Don’t make up any such Harsh Language like Sexist Names Against Others. Unlike the “Fans.”

    In other words, those So-Called Fans are even Worse Bullies than DIAMOND TIARA & GILDA and have No Place in My Little Pony; Friendship Is Magic & Equestria’s Seemingly Egalitarian (But Not Perfect) Culture.

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    But, ‘brony’ still is mentioned a lot more than ‘pegasister,’ and if you look at the video on YouTube, the poster of the video only says, “Thank you very much for your support. Stay brony!” No, pegasister to be found, so women aren’t really being given a ‘choice,’ other than just to “go along with it, because it’s “popular!”"

    Which is why I personally found it extra troubling by the way the “leader” mare said, “…though ‘some’ prefer pegasisters.,” as if being a pegasister is an “unusual” term for a woman or girl to choose instead of just “going along with” brony because it’s, “What everyone does!”

    It doesn’t help people aren’t trying to make up another MLP;FiM fan-word that is gender-neutral.

    “Some of the more sexist commentary started out from guys who were snide as hell about women calling themselves “bronies.” Is it the only word? Nah. But it’s nice not to be told “no, you have to call yourself a PEGASISTER OR GTFO.”"

    I don’t know what you mean by this in reference to what I said, but I’ve never seen this, but I’ve seen men/boys and even women/girls not wanting to use pegasister as much as other women/girls (sadly, I see no boys/men wanting to use ‘pegasister’ as a MLP;FiM fandom name like girls/women do with ‘brony’) do when it comes to ‘recognition.’

    Another reason why I never considered calling myself a ‘brony’ is because males (and even females), even citing “love and tolerance,” still don’t seem that much more ‘progressive’ than any other fandom, and to be expected to use a word I feel is contributing to “male-centrism” culture, is adding insult to injury and misguided.

    Sad to say that this “lack of pegasister word used in the fandom” is only the tip of the iceberg of the sexism and hypocrisy of a group of people who preach “love and toelrance” and love MLP;FiM. I bet the documentary’s going to mention that slogan, but deny, not care, forget to mention any indication of such “anti-femaleness.” A separate documentary could be made of that, but “no-pony would watch it,” because no-pony wants to admit it.

    Here’s mostly what I said in “THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE FAKE GEEK GIRL: WHY WE’RE THREATENED BY FALSIFIED FANDOM:”

    ‘Bronies’ are Not much better and can be just as Hypocritical as ANY Other Fan Group:

    If you ever heard of “Bronies Before Ho*nies”.

    http://img.neoseeker.com/mgv/475336/336/31/bronies_before_hoenies_display.jpg

    The Image makes no sense at all because the Ponies they Admire are Female (‘h*nies’) and the Term ‘Brony’ still Doesn’t Sound Fitting for Females (‘Filly’/'Mare’).

    To see how this “Saying” gets Applied in Real Life and how the Term ‘Brony’ was probably Never meant to be Inclusive, at all:

    0:26-0:48

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haoLtJxyHY&feature=plcp

    Ouch, People from the Brony Community just had to be so Exclusive from girls and women and make up another word for ‘h**,’ for them. Not just that, I even remember Finding a Similar Image from Above From Google about Mrs. Cake being a “Whorse” because of the Baby Cakes Episode and I can’t find the Specific Offending Image Anymore but only have this Reassurance as my Proof that something Sexist was being thrown at the Character: http://bronyetiquette.tumblr.com/post/28782228876/text-reads-dont-make-sexist-jokes-about-the

    From being Bullied themselves, the Bronies Preach “Love & Tolerance” but Enough of Them Don’t seem to Grasp That Concept Nor, “Practice What You Preach,” by ‘Loving’ Femalekind as Equally Worthy Beings as Malekind and ‘Tolerate’ Femalekind for their Mistakes as Imperfect Beings like Malekind.

    I Applauded the ‘Bronies’ at first for their Message but got Lost After seeing so much Open Misogyny soon after. My Kind and I have been Scapegoated and Shunned for so long that it just Sucks the Life Out of You when you Start to Trust These Kind of Groups, ‘Bronies,’ but Meet the True FAKES like these kind of people, the So-Called Fans, who make their whole Group look as Bad as School Bullies, if Said Group was Serious about what they Said in the First Place. You just can’t help but get ‘Paranoid’ soon after and when the males will Refuse to Listen and
    Blame you After Explaining your ‘Trust Issues’ because it Involves them,
    because “Male’s are Never the Reason why Female’s Lives are Horrible…” I’ve always Believed and still do, that Male’s Plights are Relative to Female’s Plights, but after This Reoccurring Cycle from so many Hypocrites for so long, I can’t help but think this after First Hearing “how hard Male Fans have it:” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rasZzenuYxI

    Double Standards and Sexist Words are Thrown at the Female Characters, too (This Show sure does Definitely Test people’s ‘Love & Tolerance’ for Femalekind with its Majority Female Cast), and People will say things like, “Honestly, why do people like Trixie so much? In my opinion, she is just another b*tch like Diamond Tiara of Gilda.”

    http://mlpforums.com/topic/24328-season-3-preview-info-spoilers/page-3

    People will say things and act like Diamond Tiara, Gilda, or just any ‘Mean Female Character (But will Strangely Not Count Male Villains like, Discord. Because Men get to be Evil and Applauded for it, or get a “Slap on the Wrist” at most, while Women get Lambasted & Ostracized Constantly and Extremely for the Same Actions or Similar.)’ are the Worst of the Worst when those Characters, as Mean as they are, at least seem like Equal Opportunity Offenders and Don’t make up any such Harsh Language like Sexist Names Against Others. Unlike the “Fans.”

    In other words, those So-Called Fans are even Worse Bullies than DIAMOND TIARA & GILDA and have No Place in My Little Pony; Friendship Is Magic & Equestria’s Seemingly Egalitarian (But Not Perfect) Culture.

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    But, ‘brony’ still is mentioned a lot more than ‘pegasister,’ and if you look at the video on YouTube, the poster of the video only says, “Thank you very much for your support. Stay brony!” No pegasister to be found there like a lot of other places of the MLP;FiM fandom, so women aren’t really being given a ‘choice,’ other than just to “go along with it, because it’s
    “popular!”"

    Which is why I personally found it extra troubling by the way the “leader” mare said, “…though ‘some’ prefer pegasisters.,” as if being a pegasister is an “unusual” term for a woman or girl to choose instead of just “going along with” brony because, “It’s what everyone does!” I think she should’ve said “…though, ‘we’ also prefer pegasisters.” It’s one thing for women and girls to accept words like ‘guys’ without a second thought, because they’re ‘old’ and I can personally see the argument in favor of everyone using it (until those very same women and girls refuse to be called a ‘guy’ singularly, as that’s just the simple rule of plurals and singulars) but how could so many of them just accept these new obviously male-centric word mix-ups without much thought on them?

    It doesn’t help people aren’t trying to make up another MLP;FiM fan-word that is gender-neutral.

    “Some of the more sexist commentary started out from guys who were snide as hell about women calling themselves “bronies.” Is it the only word? Nah. But it’s nice not to be told “no, you have to call yourself a PEGASISTER OR GTFO.”"

    I don’t know what you mean by this in reference to what I said, but I’ve never seen this myself (but I can this happening), but I’ve seen men/boys and even women/girls not wanting to use pegasister as much as other women/girls (sadly, I see no boys/men wanting to use ‘pegasister’ as a MLP;FiM fandom name like girls/women do with ‘brony’) do when it comes to fan ‘recognition.’

    Another reason why I never considered calling myself a ‘brony’ is because males (and even females), even citing “love and tolerance,” still don’t seem that much more ‘progressive’ than any other fandom, and to be expected to use a word I feel is contributing to “male-centrism” culture, is adding insult to injury and misguided.

    Sad to say that this “lack of pegasister word used in the fandom” is only the tip of the iceberg of the sexism and hypocrisy of a group of people who preach “love and toelrance” and love MLP;FiM. I bet the documentary’s going to mention that slogan, but deny, not care, forget to mention any indication of such “anti-femaleness.” A separate documentary could be made of that, but “no-pony would watch it,” because no-pony wants to admit it.

    Here’s mostly what I said in “THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE FAKE GEEK GIRL: WHY WE’RE THREATENED BY FALSIFIED FANDOM:”

    ‘Bronies’ are not much better and can be just as hypocritical as ANY other fan group:

    If you ever heard of Bronies Before Ho*nies”.

    http://img.neoseeker.com/mgv/475336/336/31/bronies_before_hoenies_display.jpg

    The image makes no sense at all because the ponies they admire are female (‘h*nies’) and the term ‘brony’ still doesn’t sound fitting for females (‘filly’/'mare’).

    To see how this “saying” gets applied in real life and how the term ‘brony’ was probably never meant to be inclusive, at all:

    0:26-0:48

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haoLtJxyHY&feature=plcp

    Ouch, People from the brony community just had to be so exclusive from girls and women and make up another word for ‘h*e,’ for them. Not just that, I even remember finding a similar image from above from Google about Mrs. Cake being a “whorse” because of the Baby Cakes episode and I can’t find the specific offending image anymore but only have this reassurance as my proof that something sexist was being thrown at the character: http://bronyetiquette.tumblr.com/post/28782228876/text-reads-dont-make-sexist-jokes-about-the

    From being bullied themselves, the bronies preach “love & tolerance” but enough of them don’t seem to grasp that concept nor, “practice what you
    preach,” by ‘loving’ “femalekind” as equally worthy beings as “malekind” and ‘tolerate’ “femalekind” for their mistakes as imperfect beings like “malekind.”

    I applauded the ‘bronies’ at first for their message but got lost after seeing so much open misogyny soon after. My kind and I have been scapegoated and shunned for so long that it just sucks the life out of you when you start to trust these kind of groups, ‘bronies,’ but meet the true FAKES like these kind of people, the so-called fans, who make their whole group look as bad as school bullies, if said group was serious about what they said in the first place. You just can’t help but get ‘paranoid’ soon after and when the males will refuse to listen and blame you after explaining your ‘trust issues’ because it involves them, because “Male’s
    are Never the Reason why Female’s Lives are Horrible…” I’ve always
    believed and still do, that males’ slights are relative to females’ plights,
    but after this reoccurring cycle from so many hypocrites for so long, I can’t help but think this after first hearing “how hard male fans have it:”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rasZzenuYxI

    Double standards and sexist words are thrown at the female characters, too (This Show sure does definitely test people’s ‘love & tolerance’ for “femalekind” with its majority female cast), and people will say things like, “Honestly, why do people like Trixie so much? In my opinion, she is just another b*tch like Diamond Tiara of Gilda.”

    http://mlpforums.com/topic/24328-season-3-preview-info-spoilers/page-3

    People will say things and act like Diamond Tiara, Gilda, or just any ‘mean female character (But will strangely not count male villains like, Discord. Because men get to be evil and applauded for it, or get a “slap on the wrist” at most, while women get lambasted & ostracized constantly and extremely for the same actions or similar.)’ are the worst of the worst when those characters, as mean as they are, at least seem like equal opportunity offenders and don’t make up any such harsh language like sexist names against others. unlike the “fans.”

    In other words, those so-called fans are even worse bullies than DIAMOND TIARA & GILDA and have no place in My Little Pony; Friendship Is Magic & Equestria’s seemingly egalitarian (but not perfect) culture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    That’s…ah. That’s a whole lotta text there.

    I think some ladies, myself included, preferred* to identify as “brony” because, well, that was the term. I’m not part of a lot of fandoms that has separate terms for each gender of fans: there’s Whovians, Trekkies, things like that. It originated from a gendered term, which is why I respect any woman who doesn’t want to use it (the same way I and most of my IRL friends have no trouble being collectively referred to as “you guys,” but when there is someone in the group who does, or when I’m just on the internet, I’ll go with “y’all” or “folks). But it also originated from a slang term that has a slightly different meaning than “sister.” “Pegasister” sounded forced to me, which is why I, personally, don’t like it.

    If you can coin a fun pun name that works as completely gender-neutral, more power to you.

    *preferrED. Please see above “Before Things Went Bad On The Internet.” I don’t call myself a brony anymore. You don’t need to give me the diatribe about how friggen awful, sexist, and terrifying brony culture became. I am well aware. Sorry you typed out your essay about jerk-off douchebags who turned a funny term into something that gets as much of a kneejerk reaction of hatred as “yiffers.”

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    I was gonna ask what did you mean by, “Before Things Went Bad On The Internet,” as I didn’t know what you meant because you didn’t specify. I thought you also still called yourself a ‘brony,’ too.

    From my experience (That’s why I pasted it here. I wasn’t trying to “overload” you. And yet my personal testimony isn’t enough for some people to understand my disillusioned state of “brony culture.”) that’s why the ‘Brony’ term became almost like a “loaded word” to me. What mostly annoys me is that the “pegasister” term isn’t always placed side by side with “brony” when that ‘brony’ word isn’t perfect. At least from my interpretation.

    Please know I wasn’t trying to call you a bad person, that was no where near my intention. I mostly pasted that because I felt it was relevant because I wasn’t completely clear with your reply.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomaslee.bunting Thomas Lee Bunting

    Actually that bit had more to do with being included with the ‘group’ as it has been said by female fans why do they need a name that separates themselves from Bronies, why can’t they call themselves bronies, and also how “what if we don’t see ourselves as pegasus?”.

    Also technically Bronies isn’t from “Bro” but the forum in which the term was said to have originally sprung and in truth… brony is actually a gender neutral term. Yet some male fans feel like they have claim to the name and set themselves as better then female fans (stupidly).

  • http://twitter.com/ChannelDiza Chanel Diaz

    I still detest the term ‘brony’ but I never had a problem with women using it. I’m also glad the clip included that women can be ‘pegasisters,’ too, at least, even if I have a problem with part of the quote of “some,” and its tone that make women who use ‘pegasisters’ seem “weird.” At least, that’s how, “No, we’re not ‘bros,’ but we’re bronies, though ‘some’ prefer pegasisters,” sounds like to me.

    The problem is that ‘pegasister’ isn’t included as an alternative MLP;FiM fan name or isn’t used to designate a MLP;FiM fan group as much as the term ‘brony.’ WoMEN are rarely to ‘never,’ allowed to make up language that would properly represent them (I get into more detail in other replies below.), so because of it, there has to be ‘accommodations’ made on people’s part to make up for it. I also feel it’s quite arrogant, on males’ parts, since most likely males came up with ‘brony,’ to think or suggest in any way that ‘brony’ must represent the ‘whole’ MLP;FiM fan group. There should be a fan term that allows anyone to be labeled it, be completely comfortable with the label, but it should be a fan term that doesn’t have either male or female word parts to it. Like for instance, I just made up a word, “Faony,” a mixture of “fan” and “pony,” to mean a fan of My Little Pony; Friendship is Magic. It may sound “horrible,” so I’m still searching for different fan term possibilities, but at least it’s not gendered in any way.

    Where’s the forum link that gave birth to ‘brony?’ I heard that the “fan term’s” origin is still up for ‘debate.’ Either way, considering other hybrid words like “bromance” exist, to talk about ‘male’ bonds, I still doubt the gender neutrality of ‘brony.’