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Arrow Executive Producer Explains How The Flash TV Show Will Share Their Universe



When DC and CW announced that they would pursue a The Flash television series that not only drew on the success of current CW offering Arrow, but took place in the same universe, certain questions arose. If Arrow does take place in the same universe as the new Flash series, how will the show runners deal with the relatively super-powerless world of Arrow? Why did the CW put Amazon, their planned Wonder Woman show, on hold for the new Flash series? Will Arrow and the new Flash show cross over at any point after The Flash gets his own show? Well, two of these questions now have answers, thanks to Arrow executive producer Marc Guggenheim.

In an interview with Comic Book Resources, the writer and producer described how The Flash and Arrow could be integrated into the same universe, using Marvel as an example. The shows will certainly have a link, as the Flash will be introduced to Arrow first, before his own show premieres. Still, Guggenheim wants to keep the two shows unique, saying to Comic Book Resources:

I think a lot of people are justified in asking ‘What does this mean for Arrow in terms of its tone?’ And my answer is that the trick that we have – and this is a challenge we’ve discusses a lot and have an awareness of how to face it head on – is the fact that Arrow is like Iron Man where The Flash will be The Hulk. And just as The Hulk coming out did not change the tone of the Iron Man movies, The Flash will not change the tone of Arrow. We’re very cognizant of what Arrow is all about, and I think the Marvel movies demonstrate that each piece of a universe can have its own feel. Thor is consistent with the tone of Thor while Captain America is consistent with the tone of Captain America’s character. Arrow’s tone will remain consistent much in the same way, and we are looking forward to expanding our canvass a bit. And judging from the announcement, I think the fans are looking forward to it as well.

What Guggenheim says makes sense, and gives us some hope that the DC universe might expand on television like the Marvel universe has in film. The Marvel comparison certainly indicated the possibility of Wonder Woman as another addition to the gang at some point. Of course, Guggenheim’s partner on ArrowAndrew Kreisberg will be responsible for writing the Flash into the universe, so his sentiments on the integration of new characters are likely very similar. Guggenheim explained to Comic Book Resources that expansion was not the original plan with the relatively grounded Arrow:

But at the same time, quite frankly, we didn’t plan to expand the DC Universe so much in the first season of ‘Arrow.’ For example, Greg [Berlanti], Andrew [Kreisberg] and myself never said ‘In the first season of this show, we’re going to introduce the Huntress and Deathstroke.’ We really didn’t have that plan. We were hoping to one day get to those characters, but we never thought it’d happen as quickly as it did.

It looks like the DC Universe keeps expanding on television, and Arrow’s show runners are becoming more and more willing to let this happen. Guggenheim even expressed great interest in cross overs after The Flash is introduced, explaining,

I think one of the big thing that appeals to me about comics in general is the idea of the shared universe. It’s a lot of fun to be able to do that in television, and growing up one of the things I enjoyed was the ‘Six Million Dollar Man’ and ‘The Bionic Woman’ and the way those two shows would interact with each other. We’re at least a season away from ‘Arrow’ interacting with ‘The Flash,” but the potential for that is really exciting for me.

(via Comic Book Resources, io9, image by Francis Manapul)

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  • Laura Truxillo

    Do you really want the Flash show to be “The Hulk” to your Arrow’s “Iron Man?”

    Who’s betting they name it “Speed” to they can once again dodge having a silly superhero name as a title?

  • Anonymous

    It’s not Wally? Oh good, then my personal ban on 99% of DC is still in effect.

  • .GONNY

    Considering how myself (and I think a lot of other folks) just prefer television as a storytelling medium to film, I really dig the idea of a TV-centric DC shared universe.

    The absolute kicker — and it’s a loooooong shot, I know — would be to have simultaneous Green Arrow/Flash/Wonder Woman series’ that interact with and connect to the Batman/Superman/JLA cinema world. I mean, talk about geeking out — I’m getting goosebumps just thinking about it. I’ll take seven seasons of WW over a film trilogy any day of the week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Yeah~ That was a really painful comparison ^^; Still, it is quite promising.

  • Mark Brown

    Hmm. I can see this working to lead up to the Trinity.

    Start with the “vigilante-style” heroes like Arrow, Flash I, Martian Manhunter, and eventually Batman, then escalate to the “public” superheroes, like Superman and Green Lantern, then open the door for the “no-secret-identity” heroes like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash II.

    Make it a LGBT metaphor (“coming out of the phonebooth”?), and show the world itself changing as costumed superheroes become an accepted part of daily life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Hmm…Well, if their trying to play it safe using Green Arrow and the Flash to feel out the waters on this possible universe, I can quite honestly see if Arrow and Flash do well, an eventual inclusion of Wonder Woman into this shared DC televised universe by the second season of Flash. I mean, they have already attempted to do a Wonder Woman pilot and the abrupt cancellation of that idea and the ‘backburner’ status would make sense if they were trying to test the waters first with Flash and see how that goes over before trying to invest a more precious commodity into this like Wonder Woman. Im still hoping that if they do attempt a Wonder Woman series, that they play up the ‘utopian super island who turns its backs on the worlds troubles and cares only for their own isolationistic culture, save for this one hero who wants to help mankind’ angle

    On that note though, I very much doubt we will see another Superman show this soon after Smallville, even with Man of Steel in theaters. Far more likely, we might see a Superboy series in the works but I honestly expect that particular plotline to make its way into film Faaaaaar before we see it in a TV series of its own.

    As for Batman….I honestly cannot see them mannaging a batman show on a TV budget that wouldn’t be seen humorously enough, as a carbon copy of Arrow. Something like Batman would need a really big budget for the kind of stuff it would need for an enthralling and unique story to differentiate it from the likes of Arrow.

    Aquaman might happen but they would need a killer budget to make that look good…

    Green Arrow probably needs at least a decade separating it from the film attempt before people can try again with anything live.

    Personally, I want to see a martian manhunter series. Hes a shapeshifting alien whose alter ego is a detective who pretends to be human and tries to lead a human life while solving crimes and trying to connect with humanity. Has alot of potential for a story.
    Plus, he has a fun rogue gallery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Manhunter#Rogues_gallery
    and would offer the chance to see M’gann on screen. ^^

  • frodobatmanvader

    I’m am SO glad that we can agree about how the dynamic between the Amazons and Wonder Woman, because that highlights a quality about Diana that I think gets lost on the way to making her just like Xena: Wonder Woman *cares.*

    That’s why Lynda Carter was so iconic, because she had this amazing sense of graciousness that everyone wanted to have.

  • frodobatmanvader

    I think it might just be better in the long run for DC to give up on movies for now and just focus on TV. They’re better at TV, for one thing. And it’ll keep the movie market from getting over-saturated, for another.

  • frodobatmanvader

    If we’re talking Ang Lee’s Hulk, then I have to agree. But if all y’all are dissing on The Incredible Hulk than we’re gonna have fightin’ words.

    Very civil, GRACIOUS fighting words, but fighting words all the same…

  • Anonymous

    The real, and only, question is why CW continues to make flops.

    Arrow flopped (though not as spectacularly as other CW offerings) and CW wants more… Why?!! They made 6 years of uber-flop Gossip Girl. Didn’t that teach them something?

    Apparently not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Yeah, it is tragic that such an amazing detail can be overlooked. ^.^; I mean, people often celebrate Wonder Woman’s status as an amazon or a female superhero. And when the subject of her origin story’s come up, all anyone can talk about his how she was made from clay.
    They tend to forget that the day she became a superhero was when she took notice of the growing war beyond her island nation and her decision to go against her mother, the queen of the amazon’s so she could do what she could to help the people in need.

    Instead, the interpretation that sees the light of day of late is that she is a bloodthirsty warrior princess who has no grasp of moral’s and would merrily kill evildoers left and right because she is from a bygone age.

    All because some overhyped writer got it into his head that Wonder Woman ‘wasn’t sympathetic enough. and was to cut off and distant from humans’ thus worked in his interpretation which became annoyingly common.

    Oh, or worse, that painfully lame interpretation where she hates all men and merrily kills men left and right for not being women and she can only be tamed by superman who keeps her in her place. XP

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Out of curiosity, do you think there would be any overly similar themes between Arrow and Batman that might make such a lead-up difficult?

  • frodobatmanvader

    Your last paragraph is exactly why I hate the “Diana, Warrior Princess” interpretation, especially when considering her as part of the DC Trinity. Because OF COURSE among the three heroes, the one who is the psycho bloodthirsty one is the WOMAN. (Rolls eyes)

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    It has become so common place that along with wonder woman, it was made the defining feature of ALL the amazons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons_Attack!
    XP
    Especially lame compared to the interpretation of the Amazons which had them possessing a utopian society with powerful magics and technologies which joined the united nations and was recognized as a world power

  • frodobatmanvader

    I think that when it comes to the Amazons, somewhere in between is the way to go. In my mind, I look at them like this: Most of them simply want a peaceable utopia (Mala), some of them can get a bit blood-thirsty (Artemis), and Queen Hyppolyta is torn between (1) the notion that humankind is essentially good and should be helped out (her actions during WWII), and (2) the fact that men can be *real* bastards.

    Also, I am sick to death of EVERY SINGLE Amazon looking like a 90′s supermodel. Why don’t they look like *athletes*!? And where are the older, more battle-hardened Amazons? Or the ones with wider proportions, or that may be taller/more petite than the others? Ones who are not conventionally attractive? Little girls!?

    I WANT AN AMAZON NATION THAT FEELS LIKE AN *ACTUAL* NATION, DAMMIT.

  • Mark Brown

    A little, I’d play up Batman as the detective, while Green Arrow is more a social crusader. Ollie tends to rely on other people to do his investigating, while Batman does everything himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Hmm…The only risk I see with that sort of mindset is that it would require a VERY good lead to carry the story since that would require a much smaller reoccurring supporting cast, unlike Arrow…And possibly an impeccable Alfred

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    That is a very very good point. XD

    Yah, a proper nation should have some diversity in opinion, age and build and such. XD
    Come to think of it, I don’t think I have ever seen a version of them that showed the elderly or the young.
    The llatest version before it killed off all of the amazons, for some reason insisted everyone was nubile women in their 20s. Including the queen which was kinda weird

  • frodobatmanvader

    That’s because the status quo for Wonder Woman is regularly set by *men.* (Facepalms) My gender doth protest too much.

    At least in the Lynda Carter series Queen Hyppolyta was noticeably older than the other Amazons. Heh. Queen Hyppolyta, played by Cloris Leachman. XD

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Im not entirly sure gender makes a difference. ^^; I hardly see artists who take the time to toy around with age and body builds, often its a cheap matter of drawing several identical copies and making a few aestetic alterations

    Age, height and a build beyond ‘super model’ is pretty much the status quo of comic book artists in general. ^^;

  • frodobatmanvader

    Yeah, I suppose that’s true. However, I do remember seeing a diagram for how characters’ body shapes were represented in comics according to gender. For men, it was an average bell curve, ranging from muscular to skinny to over-weight; for women, it was a point: supermodel thin, and that was about it.

  • Anonymous

    I do not buy into the concept that “it’s a hit for the network”. It’s an excuse that has been used for too long to pretend flops are hits.

    CW, simply put, only has flops. Something that is slightly less of a flop may be a positive sign for CW (as they have lost audience every year they’ve been in activity, mainly because they kept renewing flops), but it doesn’t make them hits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    Really? O.o I confess to being a bit surprised, simply because I hardly ever see any characters in comics, including background people or secondaries who are not either skinny or well muscled. Its kinda lame in that sense from what i have seen, the representation that it is unnatural to be over weight. Or that a healthy amount of fat is unhealthy.

  • frodobatmanvader

    Yup. And THIS is why so many people were ticked when the New 52 changed Amanda Waller from a BBW woman to just another skinny woman (true, the Green Lantern movie did it first, casting Angela Bassett, but still).

  • http://www.facebook.com/nuuni.nuunani Nuuni Nuunani

    I confess, it was her justice league animated incarnation that most impressed me with that character. I don’t know who they got to voice her, but whoever it was did an excellent job of portraying a character that you could listen to and think ‘yeah, i can see her going head to head with batman’ Gosh she was neat. XD

    To be a bit negative however, people seem pretty ticked with the new 52 in general.