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Cosplayers Unite For Anti-Con-Creeper Photo Essay

Sushi Killer at 16-bit Sirens has a post up about a new photo project she’s been working on: asking cosplayers about their experiences with unwanted behavior, photographs, and physical contact at cons, and then asking them to pose with a whiteboard containing a personal message or the phrase “Cosplay ≠ Consent.” Says Killer:

These [incidents of unwanted behavior] can be as seemingly harmless and annoying as not asking for permission before taking a picture or bothering them for a picture or interview while they were taking a water or food break. But the majority of the stories were more serious and ranged from threats of violence to inappropriate touching, and from lewd facebook messages to stalking.

Her photo set already includes cosplayers both male and female, and even cosplay photographers who want to send a message to other folks who do what they do. If you’d like to know more about the CONsent project or even participate, I can’t recommend reading her entire original post enough. Here are some of the photographs she’s gotten so far:

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(via Cosplaying While Black.)

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  • John Farrier

    It is sad that these photos are even necessary.

    Criminy, guys, learn some manners.

  • Brand

    Our local comic shop for free comic book day will be having people cosplay all day. He even posted an article about how cosplay isn’t consent on Facebook. Someone replied that female super heroes should wear more clothes then. I really wanted to punch the dude in the dick. >_<

  • Anonymous

    So let me get this straight. You want to dress up in a costume. You want to go out in public wearing said costume. But you don’t want anyone to actually LOOK at you because that’s degrading. Got it.

  • Rick Bman

    No one is saying don’t look at them. There is a different between looking and the behavior that is being discussed in these articles lately.

  • Emily Martin

    Er, what? I think you completely missed the point.

  • Johannah Johansen

    I’m pretty sure these people don’t want anyone to TOUCH them or take pictures of them without their consent but maybe I’m missing the basic premise.

    Quote: “But the majority of the stories were more serious and ranged from threats of violence to inappropriate touching, and from lewd facebook messages to stalking.” They want this stuff to not happen.

  • John Farrier

    Look, but don’t leer, touch or make sexual comments. Be a gentleman.

  • Liz Blasco

    Son, if you don’t know the difference between “looking” and “groping” or “stalking” then I have to say that you’re part of the problem.

  • Stephen

    Nowhere in the article or pictures did it say the problem was people simply looking at them. The problem is people assuming that because someone is dressed as a sexy character they can say or do dirty/inappropriate things to them. Bikinis are pretty revealing but that doesn’t mean you can walk around the beach touching ladies that are wearing them or sexually harassing them. Surely that’s something you can agree with?

  • Elwyne

    “Imagine no harassment” just made me cry a little…

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t that apply whether a person is wearing a costume or not? That’s just basic, decent human behavior.

  • Calum Syers

    Congratulations, Super Jay. It turns out that you are an utter moron.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Venelope cosplay! Neat.

  • Rick Bman

    You are correct. Everyone should be treated with respect no matter what they are wearing. The point of these article is that many women dressed in cosplay are being treated as if wearing cosplay is automatic consent for being touched or having lewd comments directed at them. Do women that aren’t wearing cosplay get treated this way as well? Yes, but the point of these articles is to bring attention to something that is happening at conventions all over the country.

  • TKS

    That Vanellope Cosplay!

    I’ve never been so aware of my lack of talent.

  • TKS

    Way to answer your own damn question.

  • TKS

    Can I has Falcon Punch?

  • Jill Pantozzi

    Yes…that’s the point.

  • Anonymous

    And I totally get that. But if you’re going to waltz down the street in a Sailor Moon outfit, I’m going to notice. So are a lot of people. Sorry, we’re humans.

  • Rick Bman

    Again, no one is saying there is anything wrong with noticing. The problem is when someone stops noticing and starts harassing. Tell me that you can tell the difference.

  •él-Bernabel/544162011 Joél Bernabel

    I don’t entirely agree, this concludes that cosplayers are the victim to photographers. Which is a misleading offensively stereotyping to photographers. Yes, people do objectify women but at what cause? I don’t believe it is just looks that make cosplayers the victim but behavior. There are times when a cosplayer acts up for attention, cosplaying in a sense is like being a peacock and standing out as best and natural you can express yourself freely. But the issue is with certain freedom comes the assumption of it’s okay to act up, and it isn’t. This is business and where you are has rules. I don’t think its fair to tip the scale, I believe that if you are cosplayer you should be fair to photographers and if you are a photographer you should be fair to cosplayers. Don’t assume a stereotype and don’t treat people like a “Creeper” because I’ve spoken with some photographers and cosplayers that say they are often assumed as such when they are not.

  • Anonymous

    I will say the whole Cosplay/Dressing Up thing has changed a lot with the internet since when my group of friend did it around 98-02ish.

    The biggest thing I that comes into my mind is that no one knew who we were. No fan page to follow. No facebook or twitter feed to stalk. So once the show was over we disappeared not to be seen or heard of again after the show. Which is nice and we were never going for the fan base. Just thought it was fun to dress up.

    Yes there are inconveniences, that should be obvious to anyone who has ever attended a show. You can’t take 10 steps without someone wanting a photo. People make inappropriate comments and tell you stories that really should have been kept to themselves. People get grabby to both the men and women. It really didn’t matter what was worn. We rarely went for the sex thing. You’re basically making yourself a minor celebrity for the weekend. I’m sure there are stories that the celebrity guest could tell that would make your skin crawl.

    I’m not really sure what people expect when knowing they are making a spectacle.The public at large doesn’t exactly have tact. Sure there are 90% of the population who are decent human beings. Then there are the 10% who don’t know better, or just don’t care. Do you think you can really shame them to your will?

    Clothing has power. You are becoming characters people have strong emotional connections to. And with the internet there is an added celebrity about it as well.

    As much as people need to have respect and manners. There has to be an acknowledgement on the cosplayer’s behalf that what they do will get a reaction. That is not consent and it isn’t them ‘asking for it’. But there is an element of walking into a lion’s den with a steak around your neck to it.

  • Daniel Swensen

    People are neither lions nor steak. People are living, thinking beings with the capacity for reason and empathy. They should act like it. Period.

  • Jill Pantozzi

    You either understand or you don’t. Stop being obtuse. Noticing does not equal touching or harassing.

  • Daniel Swensen

    “Noticing” isn’t the problem. Never has been. Stop swinging at the ghosts in your head.

  • Rick Bman

    You do realize that this argument puts the blame on the victim instead of on the people who actually deserve the blame. You are basically saying that “You know what you are getting into and you should just get used to it.” This acknowledges the harassment but then completely dismisses it as avoidable on the part of the victim. No amount of harassment should be tolerated by anyone. We can not accept harassment as a hazard of cosplay.

  • Anonymous

    I see that I admitted wasn’t sure what I aim was. But I kinda see this way.

    I’m an fully dressed overweight guy. I can’t get through the day with out someone touching me or harassing me in some way.

    What fantasy land is a girl dressed as Power Girl going to get through a convention hall of thousands of people without someone laying a finger one her or saying anything that could be consider inappropriate?

    I confess, yes it’s an awesome goal and I hope we get there where no one harasses anyone. But we have to look at the real world where people are idiotic, careless animals, who only think about themselves and consider that when doing something.

  • Jack Voss

    Nice! I’ve never been to a CON, really want to. I didnt even think about how annoying it would be to have people taking photos of you while you were trying to eat. “Touching” or yelling out obsceneties, really? People are jerks. Looking to the future, with my daughter, I’m going to jail aren’t I?

  • Anonymous

    I think this is the first flat out trolling I’ve seen on The Mary Sue. Things used to be so nice around here.

  • Anonymous

    A person is a living, thinking beings with the capacity for reason and empathy. People are a thoughtless, careless mob who think others are there simply for their entertainment.

    No one should be harassed, but someone should be cognisant if they are putting themselves in a position where they would be harassed.

  • Ryan Colson

    Apparently, however, it was SORT (but only sort) of said that looking was bad when part of this article clearly can be read as “Don’t take photos of me when I’m dressed as a character”.
    Which is true.

  • Rick Bman

    Yes there are always going to be a small number of people that think harassing women is ok but the only way to get to a point where less people see it as acceptable behavior is to bring attention to it. The whole “some people will never change so why do anything about it” is one of the reasons rape culture is so prevalent in this country. We tell women they shouldn’t dress a certain way if they don’t want to get harassed. We need to be teaching people that how a woman is dressed is never an invitation to harass her. Yes, there are always going to be people that aren’t going to understand that but you don’t just give up and accept the harassment as part of life.

  • Ryan Colson

    And taking pictures of, apparently

  • Anonymous

    I guess it all depends on context. If you’re obsessively following someone around with a camera, silently snapping pictures when they’re not “in character”, that will (and should) get you labeled as a creeper. But that’s why it’s your job as a photographer to ask for permission. This is where a lot of people seem to be getting hung up.

    If you don’t know if what you’re doing/thinking about doing is going to make someone uncomfortable, ASK. It’s super easy, and super effective! I’m not big on taking pictures of people in most situations, cons are one very rare exception. Unlike most people though, the only cosplay pictures I really dig are the ones where people are out of character. So if I see Sailor Venus smoking a cigarette, or Superman struggling to open a stubborn gatorade bottle, I ask if I can take a picture, if people are cool with it then great. If not then great.

  • Anonymous

    But isn’t how we dress really part of everything in the society in which we live?

    You want a good job, you dress nicely.

    You want someone to think you’re creative you dress that way.

    You don’t want to get robbed in the shit part of town, you don’t wear the $300 sneakers.

    You want power, you wear clothing that gives you power.

    There are entire shows and channels dedicated to showing that people view you different based on clothing.

    I just think it’s a two way street. Yes we must take any action to stop harassement and rape from criminal side. But doesn’t any kind of action or thought need to be considered on the other side as well.

  • Rick Bman

    Ok, I’m not a woman, never have been and probably never will be. However, I am pretty sure that most women are cognizant of the fact that they may be harassed when they are in cosplay. They understand that there are assholes out there that are going to make lewd comments. It is a sad fact that women deal with that every day whether they are in cosplay or not. That doesn’t mean we should just accept that it happens and not do anything about it. The only way to stop it from happening is to bring attention to it. Again, I’m not a woman so if I am far off base on this one someone can let me know.

  • Jack Voss

    Actually it was don’t take photos without my consent.

  • Jack Voss

    Perhaps, if the rest of us do not simply ignore this behavior, it will help it end.

  • Jack Voss

    Well said.

  • TKS

    You want a good job, you dress nicely.

    You want someone to think you’re creative, you dress that way (not sure what that means, but okay.)

    You want to get harassed at a convention that celebrates something you love, dress up as a character you admire.

    Perhaps instead of saying “Clothes have power. Lets all, harassers and harassees, work together to create a world where no one is no more harassment” we should say “It doesn’t matter what someone is wearing. Keep your damn hands to yourself.”

  •él-Bernabel/544162011 Joél Bernabel

    What’s the range here? I we talking stalkers, people being rude or people just not asking? Maybe they’ve come across people who don’t mind if it’s just a harmless shot. I thought it was a fat smelly otaku trying to take a picture, most often they ask and most often attractive female cosplayers don’t want to talk to them. So, that’s a context of when asking is rude. You can still be “creepy” and ask.

    I figured it’d be a good idea to make a public announcement about public behavior, rather than Hey, you stop being a creep to those hot cosplayers!

    Most people tend to be shy and it’s kind of hard to ask a group of adolescents cosplayers to calm it down without ruining a buzz. I was once taken picture of while Texting in Daft Punk cosplay, wasn’t ask but I understood why afterwards. It’s like a paparrazi shot, cosplaying is calling attention to yourself they will want to do it and it’s pretty uncontrollable unless you have a body guard. If their not asking you, your asking them. If you want it be a con rule, suggest it.

  • Rick Bman

    So… let’s say I was walking down the street wearing $300 sneakers and I was attacked and they were stolen. I would not just accept that my sneakers were stolen, I would do what I had in my power to see that they criminals were brought to justice by reporting it to the police. They may not find the perpetrator but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t report the crime.

    None of the other examples you provided result in a relationship in which a person in victimized so I don’t see how they are valid to this argument. Being dressed a certain way to not mean that someone should just accept being victimized. Yes, if you want a good job you dress nice and if you want to have a fun day at a convention you should wear whatever you want and you should be able to do it without being harassed.

    Victim blaming does not solve the problem it just sweeps it under the rug so no one can see it.

  • Rick Bman

    taking pictures of… without consent.

  • Ashe P. Samuels

    And if you take a moment to peek through this state-of-the-art telescope, you’ll JUST be able to make out the point sailing over your head.

  • Ashe P. Samuels

    Y’know, the harassment and entitlement and creepy behavior that women face sure doesn’t feel like a measly 10% of the population.

    Try not to pull statistics out of your ass, especially to serve a point that amounts to, “Well, you guys should really acknowledge more the trouble you’re getting into! By the way, men face harassment too.”

  • ampersands

    Every situation is a possible position for a woman to be harassed. Walking down the street. Taking the subway. Being at work. Being in the hospital. Getting groceries. Jugging. The list is endless. So, while you think you’re being helpful by suggesting that we avoid situations that have a possibility of being harassed, the only conclusion I gather from your advice would be to stop being a woman.

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t trying to quote a study as much as just wanting to say that most people are decent.

    Yeah, I really didn’t know where I was going once I started, and thought I should finish somehow once I started.

  • Anonymous

    I by no means think that anyone should avoid doing anything that they want to do.

    Although juggling, seriously oddly high on the list of things I hear men and women being sexually harassed while doing. Juggling with clown make up on, is pretty much up there on the harassment scale with cosplay.

  • Anonymous

    By no means do encourage acceptance.

    Fuck, go report any crime or harassment to the nearest person that can do something about it.

    And petition the convention organizers to realize that these complaints are serious. I think that could be an effective start.

  • Aeryl

    Better would be to give your daughter the self-confidence and tools to deal with it herself(when she is of an age of course). The idea that women and girls need to be protected by the men in their lives plays into tropes that are used to infantilize women.

  • ampersands

    Yes, and beyond that, no one should feel like it’s their fault for doing what they want to and being harassed, ie, it’s incredibly unhelpful to suggest that being cognizant of putting yourself in a situation where you might be harassed is a real solution. We’re all aware that we might be harassed if we cosplay (or if we walk down the street), and that’s never going to change the behavior of those who harass. What does change behavior? When the majority of people stand up and say that it’s unacceptable. Which is what this campaign is aiming for.

  • Rick Bman

    Also, raising awareness of it buy having popular websites talk about it also an effective start. This is an issue that needs to be discussed if we want it to go away.

  • Tamara Brooks

    I would like to add that just because you do teach women and girls to take care of themselves doesn’t mean you don’t want to destroy anyone who messes with them, especially as a parent.

  • Anonymous

    What I’m suggesting is a little common courtesy, some might also call it common sense.

    I’m only speaking in regards to photographing cosplayers, and I’m pretty sure that you are as well. In regards to making sexist remarks, touching people without consent, being a general dick, obviously those are just things people SHOULD NOT DO. But I understand that the photography thing can be kind of a grey area. I mean after all they are in costume right? It’s kind of like a performance . . but discretion is the better part of valor as they say. Why not speak up and ask?

    And as for the shyness factor, I can “almost” buy it. When you attend one of the most social events in all of geekdom, and choose to start publicly photographing people [possibly] against their will, then yeah you should be labeled a creeper. OR, step up, cut the crap, and ask permission. If one’s shyness is so debilitating that it’s only possible for them to comfortably attend an event while making a bunch of other people around them uncomfortable, than that person perhaps ought not be there. That may be harsh, but all I’m really suggesting is that someone open their mouth and ask permission before they do anything. It’s a friendly gesture, it’s common courtesy, it’s the right thing to do, and it’s ridiculously easy.

  • Anonymous

    Yopu really don’t seem like you were trying to say that most people are decent:

    “People are a thoughtless, careless mob who think others are there simply for their entertainment.”

    Like… I don’t know how you could contradict your own words more than that…

    “But we have to look at the real world where people are idiotic, careless animals, who only think about themselves”


  • Chaka ♥

    Do you possess the ability to notice a pretty girl without being a complete and total skeeze about it? Because that’s all we’re asking for, here. I couldn’t care less how a guy feels when he looks at me. Stopping my day to involve me in your sexual feelings is where I start to get annoyed.

  • Aeryl

    Of course not. As a parent you feel very protective. But just because you feel that way, doesn’t mean you should necessarily act on that impulse. My daughter once faced down three bigger boys in an attempt to defend her friend they were picking on. I stood nervously in the house, watching to see if these boys did anything, but I held off from intervening. She faced them off and they went away. I honestly never felt prouder of her ever, even though if she had given me the chance, I would have prevented her from even leaving the house (she was just BOOM out the door when her friend showed up on our porch frightened).

  • Melodia E. McIntyre

    There is also a difference between a picture where someone is in a pose and smiling and one where someone secretly zoom ins on their cleavage/butt to take home to masturbate to…

  • Melodia E. McIntyre

    yay for you! :) Excellent post

  • Melodia E. McIntyre

    I’m sorry if I’m misunderstanding you here or something, but what I read was “Rape is a two way street”…

  • Guest

    Yes and even if I do walk into a lion’s den wearing a steak, it’s still the LION’S choice to eat me.

  • Totz_the_Plaid

    I asked this on twitter, but in case you didn’t see it there:

    Could we get a Tumblr version of this article/photoset, please?

  • Stephanie Johanesen

    Xena is the fucking BOMB

  • Life Lessons


  • Erica M.

    If you wouldn’t take a picture without permission, touch, follow or talk lewd to a woman regularly, then you shouldn’t do it even if they’re dressed as Sailor Moon or whomever. It isn’t different and it is just as creepy.

  •él-Bernabel/544162011 Joél Bernabel

    If that’s the case, then as a cosplayer you can simply “buck up” and deal with it. Which I doubt is the real solution here, It feels that with respect comes great responsibility. So I think if you want it, you should be able to give it. If that situation is indeed at a risk of someone mistreating a cosplayer, yes! Call them out about it. That shouldn’t stop a con-goer to step up for themselves if a cosplayer gets out of hand.
    Where I’m getting at is simple, this is a two-face coin and if it can happen to a cosplayer, the reverse can happen. And yes calling out shy people is a low blow, because that is a serious issue especially to the geek community, just because some might not be brave enough to wear a costume doesn’t mean they should be treated any lowly. Respect yourself, eachother and the convention. Maybe you’ll get by, I don’t care if I’ll get flak from it, but I’m defending the Normal Con-goer. Cosplayers can get out of hand as well! I agree with dragonfyredesigns, there should be a level of awareness and not pointing fingers but more being prepared.

  • Anonymous

    How are your suggestions addressing the cosplay ≠ consent problem?

  • Kelly Hutchinson

    I work as a promo girl (high end spirits mostly) and most the time I am free to wear what I want – when I have to wear a costume no matter how daggy or concealing guys take this as a licence to treat me like utter crap.

    It is never just sexual – as a promo girl I am pretty damn good at brushing that off or turning it back on them – it is also really mean spirited and utterly unnecessary. It reminds me of pick up artists favourite trick of insulting a women to try make her think the best she can do is you.

    Normal clothes = normal interactions or super polite when near the army base. Costume = crazy sexual deviant time because some how not a real person any more

  • Miles May Hem

    Don’t like being photographed? TOO BAD! There’s a little thing called the 1st amendment that grants folks the right to photograph anyone in public that they want to. Yes, it’s still pretty rude. But totally within their rights to do so, and for good reason. I’m pretty sure the cops who beat Rodney King would never have consented to being filmed. Fortunately we are allowed to take photos or video of ANYONE in public. Want to stop creepers? PROSECUTE THEM! Groping someone is assault, and can land you in jail for years,and in some states they may even have to register as sex offender. I think if we saw more jerks being hauled away in handcuffs at cons, that would send a clear message that this kind of behavior is not OK. Maybe make up a few posters of their mug shots & the sentence they received & put those up around cons to discourage others.

  • Robbie Howey

    if you want to take the 1st amendment into it, then that presents a
    good question. Would comic cons be considered “public” and therefore
    that amendment a good legal defence? Or if it is at a paid registered
    and semi-private (you have to pay to get in) event, would it fall under a
    different law? I am Canadian, so I honestly don’t know American law as
    well as the next person.

    That being said, it looks like these
    comments are calling out the rude and disgusting behaviour as what it
    is. After all, legal permission doesn’t negate the creep factor, and it
    is the creep factor that they are protesting.

  • Stephanie Osborn

    Excellent. Back in the day before health concerns took over from cosplay, I got lewd comments and even propositioned, even in the presence of my husband. Go, girls!

  • Stephanie Osborn

    *BEEEP* Wrong answer. Photogs that don’t ask are in the same category as paparazzi. Ask Princess Diana her opinion of those. Oh wait, you can’t, she’s dead because her car crashed running away from them.

  • Stephanie Osborn

    I don’t necessarily agree with him, but I understand the distinction he’s making between A person and PEOPLE. It’s a herd mentality. Individuals often react differently than groups of people. Very similar to a favorite quote of mine from the film Men In Black: “A PERSON is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, lazy panicky animals and you know it,” or words very similar to that.

  • Stephanie Osborn

    Yes, the First Amendment protects the right to photograph in public. This is about the only thing that protects paparazzi these days. However, that being said, the POLITE thing – and what any truly high-class photog will do – is to ask permission.

  • Katryna Wade

    It’s worth noting that you have to keep in mind what your individual child needs. I am and always have been ‘girly’ and shy; I would hope that someone would intervene to help me. You did the right thing, but IMO it’s not a one size fits all thing. Some women are more assertive and some women are not and both are fine, just like some men are ‘manly’ and some men are not and both are fine too. (Just my opinion, thanks for listening. :D)

  • Mandi M. Lynch

    Why do we have to teach girls to deal with assholes? Why can’t we teach guys to not be douchebags?

  • Mandi M. Lynch

    I don’t think there’s anyone who’s ever been to a con who hasn’t taken a pic of a costume as it walked by at some point. I’m not sure I’d lump in generally taking a pic in this category, either. Following somebody or stalking them because they’re a hot chick in spandex is a totally different story. But I see a hell of a lot of grey area here. I know a lot of people who would say that if you’re walking around in a public area of the con, you’re fair game. Incidentally, LEGALLY, if you’re doing it in public, you’re allowed to be photographed.
    Like I said, I draw the line at stalking somebody, hunting them down in odd places – the next urinal over, while they’re eating, etc – or whatever, but there really is a lot of grey area as far as pics go. Does anyone cosplay at a con and not expect a pic taken?

  • Mandi M. Lynch

    Princess Diana was chased down the interstate. It’s hardly the same thing as standing in a group of 1000 other people in costumes and expecting to be the only one not photographed.

  • Mandi M. Lynch

    Actually, if the con is somewhere like a hotel, most of the area is open without a con-badge. Most of the cons I’ve been to, the only place that requires a badge are rooms – dealer, panel, consuite, that sort of thing. So if you’re walking around in the lobby of a hotel, it’s still a public area.

  • Aeryl

    Everybody has to learn to deal with assholes. I was responding to the assertion that we don’t teach girls to deal with assholes, we “protect” them from it instead.

  •!/ David R. Schmitt

    I worry for this year’s FAN EXPO in Toronto. They will be opening the convention to sports fans. Most I’m sure will behave, but a convention hall full of cosplay geeks mixed with sports loving jocks reeks of potential disaster.

  • Emily Hill

    I’ve had that happen strange considering I’m a big girl and the characters I play are slender anyway its not right and anyone who says well what do they expect when they dress skimpily I say I don’t know maybe its the fact its a character and that you should know better

  • Carmen Sandiego

    And that even if someone magically turned into a character (let’s say Catwoman) would that make it any more acceptable? If someone harassed Catwoman she would kick their ass. :)

  • Carmen Sandiego

    Actually, at one of the cons I went to there was a big college football game and a lot of people were in the hotel. We ended up converting some jocks to Doctor Who and they were running around the con like it was Disneyland, completely in awe and not the least bit disrespectful. Everybody’s an individual. We can’t assume all jocks are douches. Just like we can’t assume all geeks aren’t.

  • BabeWoreRed

    Most epic Xena ever! Fab.

  • Ryan Colson

    Yet I see now that I bothered to check this, my point was true, because the article was since edited to reflect they weren’t talking about those taking pics in character without permission, but it is for the creepers, so I was totally right :P

  • Ryan Colson

    Yup. The original article has been edited to correct its slight that I pointed out lol

  • Emily Hill

    Are you serious does this dumb ass realizes that the Heroines are drawn that way because we still have male Chauvinists (not sure if I spelled that right) in the comic industry and just assume its still guys reading comics I mean Wonder Woman wore a skirt in her Early years which was later dropped to show more skin

  • Nat

    Which is all well and good. I know I can certainly take care of myself but that doesn’t mean that my dad still doesn’t want to stand up for me because he’s, you know, my parent and I am his child even at 25. He’s always taught me how to take care of myself (my mother too) but does that mean my mother’s righteous anger is okay and his is not? Jack didn’t say he wasn’t teaching his daughter how to deal with it, only that he is protective of his daughter and hates that she could be subjected to this.