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Real Things That Are Happening: Ben Affleck Is Batman


The Dark Knight is upon us once more. 

Ok here’s the deal. I’m going to give you the straight news first then go into fan mode. That way, if you’re already annoyed by people making a big deal over the casting, you can just stop reading at a certain point. You have been warned. Ok? Ok.

Warner Bros. announced yesterday, Oscar-winning Ben Affleck will play Batman opposite Henry Cavill in Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel sequel. The press release said this Batman will be “an entirely new incarnation of the character.”

Snyder’s statement: “Ben provides an interesting counter-balance to Henry’s Superman. He has the acting chops to create a layered portrayal of a man who is older and wiser than Clark Kent and bears the scars of a seasoned crime fighter, but retain the charm that the world sees in billionaire Bruce Wayne. I can’t wait to work with him.”

Warner Bros. executive Greg Silverman’s statement: “We knew we needed an extraordinary actor to take on one of DC Comics’ most enduringly popular Super Heroes, and Ben Affleck certainly fits that bill, and then some. His outstanding career is a testament to his talent and we know he and Zack will bring new dimension to the duality of this character.”

The news portion of this post is over.

God help us all, Affleck is going to be Batman.

I know not everyone shares my dismay at this announcement but here are some reactions in GIF form from The Mary Sue staff:

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Now, I’ll be honest, my very first reaction was a bit more inflammatory. It actually made Buzzfeed’s roundup of casting reactions. But what in the holy hell is going on over at Warner Bros?

It’s unusual these days not to hear hints of who may land a high-profile role such as this, and Affleck’s name wasn’t in the most recent round of actors rumored to be playing Batman. I know a lot of people will discount this since it was a while ago and many other factors were involved, but Warner Bros. seriously picked the guy who played Daredevil.

My issue with Affleck isn’t that I think he’s a bad actor (he was great as George Reeves) but that he’s too famous. Also, he pretty much always plays Ben Affleck. I know him so well from his time in the public eye that he’s all I see while he’s acting. Much like Robert Downey Jr. who is now Robert Downey Jr. in every role (whether it’s goofy RDJ or serious RDJ). Though the difference between Downey and Affleck is Downey had been low-profile for a while before he landed Iron Man and once he did, he turned Tony Stark into RDJ. The two are now practically synonymous.

I think Affleck is a bad choice for Batman, the wrong choice, but that’s just my opinion. While nerd raging last night on Twitter, I had a lot of folks telling me to give it a chance, that they probably had good reason to make this decision and it will probably turn out fine – just like Heath Ledger.

Now let me stop you there. When Ledger’s casting as The Joker was announced, I thought it was weird, not bad. It was unexpected but I personally rolled with it because I’d seen Ledger do some interesting work. To me, this is not the same as my reaction to Affleck’s casting, but probably not for the reason you’re thinking.

I’m not boycotting the film, just expressing my initial reaction toward a casting choice for a character that means a great deal to me. Did I think it was stupid when Chris Evans was cast as Captain America since he’d already played another Marvel character? Yes. Did it turn out really well? Yes. But I also wasn’t emotionally invested in Captain America. It’s too much to try and explain here (I’ll be appearing in a documentary soon speaking about how much Batman means to me) but Batman is my character. The one I will follow til the end of days. So no, to me, Ben Affleck is not Batman. To me. And thinking about him playing Bruce Wayne makes me want to vomit in my mouth a little.

Does that mean he never will be Batman? I can’t answer that until I see the film. We don’t have a lot to go on for the plot of Man of Steel 2 but we know Snyder was looking to Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns as inspiration. That he’s going for a more experienced Batman. Part of me wonders if Affleck even read for the role or if the decision was made over bourbon and cigars. Something tells me it’s the latter.

But this strange decision also makes me wonder if perhaps they are going to pull out something phenomenal from their hats. I mean, Affleck has come a long way since Daredevil, Argo was a great film, this feels like a huge step backwards for his career. Are we missing something? Or is this just a grown man saying yes to the chance to play our collective childhood hero because how could anyone say no?

Personally, I’m washing my hands of it for now. Not like there’s anything I can do to make it better for myself. Oh wait…

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  • James Gardiner

    I’m pretty confident in this choice. Affleck’s a pretty good actor, and an even better director. If WB gives him the director reins of Justice League (something they tried to do a while back), it’s guaranteed it’ll be at least decent.

  • http://thescienceofobsession.tumblr.com/ R.O.U.S.

    I care little about the casting simply because it’s for a movie that’s a sequel for Man of Steel. I had high hopes for MoS and left the theater one giant ball of ‘meh’. So I’ll just wait and see, expect little and hope for much more.

  • http://adventureinepisode.tumblr.com/ DarthBetty

    I’ve never disapproved of Affleck’s cred as a comedic actor, and am NEVER disappointed with his directing. But him being serious is the silliest thing. Even his speech in the boiler room is half sort of serious/half unintentionally funny. Him being a bad ass? Sillier concept.

    He would need to do something about his voice.

    All I’m saying is that some people’s shock comes from a legitimate place. The more I let the idea sink in, the more I am open to possibilities, though I will always prefer picking out better actors instead of “well known and close to whomever produces this movie” actors. But people being initially shocked isn’t something to discredit by saying

    “FANBOYS ARE STUUUUPID. EVERYONE SAID THAT ABOUT HEATH LEDGER” which I am getting tired of reading. Thank you for not saying this.

  • Jamie Jeans

    MUAUAUAHAHAHA!! YES YES!!! Let me BATHE in your tears of rage and sorrow!

    They’re good for the skin, I’ve found…

  • Cy

    The problem I had with the Daredevil movie wasn’t the acting. Well, at least not from Affleck. He was not the worst actor in that movie but he was not the best either. The Daredevil movie had a terrible plot and horrible writing.

    I just hope he doesn’t try to copy the last series and makes Batman his own. If he has to copy anything I hope it’s more along the lines of Batman TAS. Just say no to “gravel voice”. It’s been awhile since I watched DD, did he change his voice much in and out of the cowl? Actually, forget that. Dub over Kevin Conroy’s voice and I’ll be happy.

  • Anonymous

    Worst casting ever!

  • Anonymous

    A million upvotes for Kevin Conroy.

  • Anonymous

    I understand the frustration and I tend to agree he wasn’t a good choice but I think the larger issue is that….this was supposed to be a SUPERMAN movie. This movie was supposed to explore Clark’s relationships with Lex Luthor and Lois Lane and now it’s a movie about…Batman. WB took a film where a WOMAN was supposed to have second billing and just guaranteed that she got sidelined. I understand that a lot of people love Batman. I do too. But put yourself in the shoes of the people who truly wanted to see the potential in Man of Steel (a flawed movie but one with a cast who had POTENTIAL) play out. It was our turn. And now that will never happen. I’m tired of Batman taking over everything at DC.

  • Anonymous

    Man of Steel was flawed. But it had potential. There was good stuff there mixed in with mistakes. The movie made more $ than Batman Begins, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor etc. It had potential. And it frustrates me to no end that instead of taking the time to really write a solid sequel and ADDRESSED the flaws of the first film (too much action—mind numbing action–not enough actual ACTING) that they went the lazy route instead.

  • Katie

    One of my main problems with the casting is the fact that this is going to be in the Superman sequel and the fact that that means he’s going to star against Henry Cavill. Standing next to Henry Cavill is going to make him look less like Batman IMO. Plus if he ends up being in the Justice League Movie where Hollywood is wont to cast the young and the beautiful for the rest of the cast, he’s going to end up looking more like the Justice League’s older babysitter

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think his age or appearance is an issue at all. Actually, I think it’s quite lovely to see that we are seeing older actors in iconic roles. I just hope that extends to WOMEN as well. It’s a positive thing to make younger people understand that life doesn’t end at 35. It becomes a problem only when that doesn’t extend to women.

    My issue is Batman hijacking what was supposed to be a Superman film. It’s not with his appearance.

  • Joseph Finn

    Yeah, sure, why not?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not nearly as outraged by this as most people are. Batman is one of the most malleable personalities in comic book history and can be modified to fit within any given tone. Meaning that the Grimdark Batman of the Nolan trilogy is just as valid as the lighter Brave and the Bold interpretation. (I personally prefer somewhere in the middle)

    If Snyder & Nolan learned anything from Man of Steel it’s that you can’t drag the rest of the DC universe down into Batman’s grim mopeyness and if, as most people assume, this is meant to branch into a DC Cinematic Universe you’re going to need a Batman who can play along with all the Alien Shapeshifters, Amazon Princesses and Hawk People.

    That’s where I think Affleck makes sense. Even in his more dramatic roles he tends to give a lighter overall tone to the proceedings.

    On the flipside, DC/WB have been notoriously terrible at adapting their comics to movies so for all I know this could turn out to be a terrible buddy cop movie.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/scarletsherlock elliekitty

    THANK YOU. Perfectly and succinctly said.

  • http://zadl.org/ Captain ZADL

    I remember the outrage at Keaton.

    I’m willing to give Ben a chance, but then I’m not that invested in Batman as a character.

  • Katie

    If I felt confident in any way at all that they would pick an interesting variety of people I wouldn’t have the same response. But lets face it, Hollywood won’t let any females in JL be anything but young and gorgeous and then the guys will probably be that way as well. So its just not going to fit and make Batman a bit of a joke in that group. If there was more variety I’d be A OK with aging up and down of characters but there isn’t

  • Anonymous

    If Snyder/Goyer had learned anything from the critques of Man of STeel we would have a legitimate SUPERMAN sequel focused on Clark Kent’s life at the Daily Planet, his relationship with Lois Lane and his growing problem with Lex Luthor. Literally every critical review begged for that movie. They clearly didn’t learn a thing. They doubled down on the critical problems with the first film.
    “You think we didn’t devote enough time to Clark/Lois or Lex Luthor or character or the Daily Planet in the first movie? Ha! Just want until we let BATMAN take over the movie!”

  • http://www.dualshockers.com/ Dianna Lora

    This is EXACTLY my issue. It was suppose to be a Superman that will now be overshadowed by Ben Affleck— NOT Batman. Cast an relative unknown, write a damn good story, and call it a day!

  • Anonymous

    I share your cyncism in the way Hollywood treats women. I just keep hoping that more and more actresses stand their ground and fight back against the sexist ageism where Downey gets to be Iron Man forever but women have to be perpetually 29. But I agree…it’s bleak. :(

  • http://bytestemplar.com/ Fortyseven

    Waiting to actually see his portrayal before slitting my wrists.

    Besides, we survived the Schumacher era. We’ll be FINE.

  • Anonymous

    HEY!

    Bourbon and cigars are an amazing combination.

  • Anonymous

    I think it would have been bad either way. Affleck makes it worse bc he’s so intensely famous and he has a huge papparazzi presence. But either way, they screwed over Clark Kent (and especially Lois Lane who should have been the central relationship in this movie) when they brought Batman in.
    They screwed over Amy Adams. No doubt about that. She signed on to a franchise where she was supposed to be the second lead. She assumed, rightly (because she talked about it in interviews) that her part was going to be increased in the sequel. They screwed her over.

  • Anonymous

    This! A million times this! Affleck is fine with the right director and material. He was amazing in “Hollywoodland” But Snyder? No, just no. I was fine with him taking over Supes (cuz I have no vested interest in Superman), but Batman? No, please. I feel a Schumacher coming on.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    I don’t hate Ben Affleck as Batman and there are better choices that fit my interpretation of Batman. It’s like you said, with Heath… and really everyone that Nolan cast, it didn’t make complete sense until we saw the film/world that Nolan had envisioned. So in that light, I’m optimistic to see what the director has in store.

    That being said, the director is Zack Snyder. 300 was his best, Sucker Punch was his worst, if not THE worst. I don’t know what to expect from this guy.

    Ben Affleck seems to care about comics… so I can only hope his influence adds a positive factor to the production. I hope I enjoy it… but all I’ll be thinking is “I wish we had a Wonder Woman movie.”

  • http://thescienceofobsession.tumblr.com/ R.O.U.S.

    To be fair, they could still surprise us with a more thoughtful sequel (try not to laugh). Who knows!

    But yes, action overload and lack of character moments was I think was pulled MoS down for me.

    Agreed that casting an unknown (or even just less-known) would have been a much more appropriate move. Ah, well. We know Hollywood is essentially all about box office draw and who draws in crowds like BIG NAME STARS YES.

  • http://www.teamcybershark.com Jillers

    But you’re completely ok with Zack Snyder directing? Serioulsy? Nerds – we have to get together and stop him from directing. He is a fantastic production designer, no doubt, but there is so much more to directing a movie than just making sure everything looks really really good. Did you not see Man of Steel? 300? Sucker Punch? I know people love Sin City but I don’t know why they attach his name to it because he had nothing to do with it (according to both Sin City’s and Zack Snyder’s wikis, and both imdbs, so maybe I’m just missing something).

    No matter how good an actor anyone is, their performances suffer at the hands of a bad director.

  • Anonymous

    It could be a thoughtful movie, sure. But it’s not the movie we should be getting NOW. 5 years from now? After a proper Man of Steel sequel? Sure. But there is zero chance they can write a movie with BATMAN in it and still properly keep Clark/Lois and Clark/Lex at the center. They have screwed over the Superman franchise for this.

    In general, I think people are pissed off about the WRONG thing. If people could put aside their bias as Batman fans they might recognize that WHO played Batman really isn’t the insulting issue here. It’s that BATMAN didn’t belong in this freaking movie. The fact that he’s being played by Affleck is just icing on an already crap cake.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, “Daredevil” was ten years ago. These criticisms should come with a shelf-life.

  • Anonymous

    ug….

  • Angi Dudas

    There is great source material for an older and wiser Batman/Bruce Wayne for Ben to soak in and make his own. I feel if the movie is directed with care and respect, then it will turn out great.

  • http://www.dualshockers.com/ Dianna Lora

    Oh trust me, I know. I already mourned the loss of a good Lois Lane/Clark Kent story when they announced a Superman/Batman movie.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Totally understand where you’re coming from but to be fair, we still don’t know how much Batman will actually be in the film. He could be the main villain, in which case, Lois would still have a large role.

  • Anonymous

    I was also like, “Whaaaa?” when I heard, but the idea’s kind of growing on me. I think he he could be a good batman – better than George Clooney, for sure, and probably better than Christian Bale in The Dark Knight Rises. ::dodges tomatoes::

  • Calum Syers

    This has me worried as well, but hopefully she’ll have a large, substantial part.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    No, I never said that. But I did enjoy MoS.

  • Anonymous

    I saw “Man of Steel”, “300″, “Watchmen”, and “Sucker Punch”, and I loved all of them. And now that he seems to have (for the moment, at least) cured himself of his love of slow mo, his fantastic talent for visuals is even more evident. I can’t wait for him and Affleck to begin collaborating on this project.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone ever stop to think that “Daredevil” might not have been Affleck’s fault? It was written AND directed by the same guy who wrote and directed “Ghost Rider”, and at a time when superhero movies had no idea what they were supposed to be. Ang Lee (you know, the other Oscar winner from this last year with a Marvel superhero movie under his belt?) came out with “Hulk” the same year, and it was a bomb, too. No one really knew what to do with the genre.

  • Gerald Kirby

    For various reasons I won’t go into now, I recently cut my ties with DC Comics. As such, I don’t care that Ben Affleck will be playing Bruce Wayne/Batman. I actually feel somewhat amused watching people loose their shit over this. Is this how the muggles feel when they watch us? It’s rather liberating, and reminded me of this comic: http://comiccritics.com/2012/11/15/no-mouse-in-this-fight/ If you’re excited or upset about it, I’m not saying you shouldn’t care nor that your opinion isn’t valid. Everyone has their own point of view and only time will tell how this will turn out.

  • Anonymous

    Jill, with all due respect, that kind of still misses the point. I understand you are a huge Batman fan. I really respect that. But the “main villain” in a Superman sequel should NOT BE BATMAN. It should have been Lex. And the dynamic between Clark/Lex—the egomaniac jealous of the Superman should have been the basis of the threat—a threat Clark can’t fight with his fists.
    Lois may have a nice role in this film. But this fundamentally changes the Superman mythos. By casting Batman in this film theyhave guaranteed that the central relationship of this film is now between TWO MEN. And it should have been between a man and a woman.
    Superman is one of the ONLY male franchises that actually has a FEMALE lead. The central relationship of the Superman mythos actually includes a WOMAN. This makes Superman really unique. By putting Batman in this movie they have altered this gender dynamic. It won’t matter if Lois is still there. I’m sure she’ll be there. They have pushed her aside in her own narrative. On the 75th anniversary of Superman. And that freaking sucks. Who is playing Batman is the least of this film’s offensive problems.

  • Anonymous

    Affleck almost ruined his career a first time because he tried to be an action hero. He can’t do that. He can be a likeable everyman but he can’t be an overly intense badass. Before Christian Bale got the part, he lost a crazy amount of weight just for a film. That’s the kind of guy that would train with ninjas if his parents were murdered. Affleck has never had an intense presence and it’s way too late in his career for us to think there is something about his acting we haven’t seen.

    Plus, do I have to remind everybody that Zach Snyder will be responsible for making that transformation happen? Not good. I sense disaster.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure she’ll have a role. But the central dymanic of this film has been changed from male/FEMALE to MALE/MALE. In a genre that consistently undercuts their female heroines. I honestly don’t see why more people don’t realize that this is the problem here.

  • Anonymous

    If they’re thinking of an older Batman, why didn’t they cast Bruce Campbell?

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    I don’t think the main villain should be Batman either, I’m just saying that’s what it looks like right now because of the TDKR comparisons.

    If Luthor is the villain, doesn’t that essentially make the story about the relationship with two men also?

    Again, we have no idea what direction they’re taking so I wouldn’t jump on Batman’s inclusion to automatically mean Lois gets the shaft, that’s all.

  • TheChief

    I think it would be interesting to see what Kevin Smith could do with the movie rather than Synder.

  • Petrinka

    “And the dynamic between Clark/Lex—the egomaniac jealous of the Superman should have been the basis of the threat—a threat Clark can’t fight with his fists.”

    I am not by any means a Superman fan. I think Christopher Reeves and the cheesy 80s Superman movies ruined the whole Superman thing for me. Haven’t even seen MoS. However, you yourself just said that the dynamic you want to see is Clark/Lex.

    Where in that scenerio does Lois get to take center stage? It is still Alien vs Man, Not Alien/Woman vs Man. Lois would still have a side role should this setting have ever taken place regardless if Batman was in the movie.

  • Anonymous

    I still say bring back Adam West so they can ditch all the grimdark and have more campy fun instead. ;)

  • Anonymous

    I’m an unapologetic Affleck fan, and I couldn’t be happier at this announcement. He’s been in his fair share of shitty movies, what actor hasn’t, but if you look at the projects where he’s had a great deal of creative input you’ll find that they’re all fantastic films. I also think that even in his worst films he still gives great performances with the material he’s had to work with.

    My big concern with the new Batman Superman movie is that DC is rushing into it. DC has yet to establish a winning track record with their films, outside of the Nolanverse. They’ve had huge financial success with Man of Steel, but one so-so movie isn’t enough to instill confidence in the fans when so many WB/DC productions have been downright terrible. I just don’t think they’ve earned it yet. It also makes me wonder what WB promised Affleck to star in this film. I mean sure everyone wants to be Batman, but more than anyone else Affleck knows how badly things can go wrong if the subject matter isn’t handled with care and respect. And it’s not like dude needs the money, he makes award winning films like it’s nobody’s business these days.

  • Anonymous

    No. Because Lois has her own war with Lex Luthor that is part of history and canon. She’s a personal part of that fight.
    The Superman mythos revolves around two humans—one who uses their power for evil—for corruption. A man who has intense privilege and squanders it. The “hero” is Lois. She’s the anti-Luthor. The human who has no physical power who does good anyway. That’s why people say Lois Lane is “Clark Kent’s Superman.”
    When the focus is Clark/Lois/Lex—Lois is the human victor. She’s the hope. That’s the whole point of the story.
    TDKR comparisons are a terrible thing. TDKR is a BATMAN story. It’s not a Superman story and Superman is ill-served in that narrative by a writing who didn’t understand him at all. I don’t see how Lois hasn’t already gotten the shaft, Jill. Adams will have 3rd billing now in this movie when she should have had 2nd. Guaranteed. I will be stunned if I’m wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I answered that question below. But it sounds like you just aren’t that familiar with Superman. Lex is the threat. Lois is the hope. Superman is about 2 humans. One who is corrupt. ONe who resists corruption. It’s the human who does good without privilege that often proves to be the hope for Superman. That’s been the root of the story for decades now in books (Birthright, Secret Origins, modern comics) and on television.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    Affleck probably has a level of control/influence over the final product. I would expect he has an option to direct a future DC film, probably Justice League. I remain optimistic that his involvement in the DC films will be a positive one, even though I don’t really see him as Batman.

    Also, “..isn’t enough to instill confidence in the fans..” assumes that WB/DC is factoring in fan consideration at all. Most fans would say they don’t ever do that. Again, that’s why I am remaining optimistic about Affleck… I HAVE TO BE OPTIMISTIC, DAMMIT. I CAN’T TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I absolutely agree that WB has screwed over the Superman mythos. But THAT happened in Man of Steel. Anything tacked on is purely spectacle in my eyes. Batman makes for good spectacle. Lois Lane is a reporter.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Oh, man, he’s the PERFECT age for Old Batman, too.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Super Nipples would be worth the admission alone.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    He’d make a movie where Superman talks. And then he hears a crime. And whooshes away. And then comes back and talks. It would be hilarious, of course, but…

  • CommentsSectionsAreDumb

    Speaking for myself. Worst b-day ever. Don’t like the idea of a star (or whatever passes for a star these days) playing these characters. These characters being Superman and Batman.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    That’s insane.

    I love this idea.

  • Anonymous

    He has nothing to do with Sin City.. That’s all Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez. They might be getting Miller and Snyder confused.

  • Jen Rock

    I just don’t like Zack Snyder. I think in a competent director’s hands, Affleck could be great. But Snyder’s character development is confused and often flat and… meh.

    I stand by the Batfleck hashtag, though.

  • Anonymous

    SHe’s not just a reporter. She’s supposed to be the human hero of the franchise. The “hope” that even people without superpowers can stand up and do the right thing. She’s supposed to be the hero for Superman. The world believes in Superman. Superman believes in Lois Lane. That’s the whole point.
    Man of Steel was very flawed. They made choices (the ending) that I wouldn’t have made. But the flaws were fixable. A good script and a focus on character would have fixed a lot of the issues.
    Man of STeel had plenty of spectacle. What it needed was more humor, character, talking, Daily Planet and romance. It didn’t need more spectacle. We got that already.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    There’s always Lois & Clark.

  • Anonymous

    Lois and Clark was on TV 20 years ago. Smallville also had a wonderful Lois/Clark. I think her point (and I don’t want to speak for her) is that we’ve waited 25 years to get a valid Superman franchise on film again. With Clark in the suit.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    “No. Because Lois has her own war with Lex Luthor that is part of history and canon.”

    That doesn’t mean they’ll use that part of canon though. We can talk all day about Superman canon and mythos but Snyder already strayed from that a bunch.

    “That’s why people say Lois Lane is “Clark Kent’s Superman.”"

    I’ve honestly never heard that said. But you could be right, Adams might get third billing, and that would be a shame, she and Lois deserve better. But again, let’s wait and see. It’s still VERY early.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    It needed more Happy. Lois brings cynicism to the table. I don’t think more Lois would fix anything. Not to mention, there’s all the other human characters that deserve time to shine. Smoky the Lane from the old Reeves series and sarcastic Lois from the cartoon created an image in my mind of a fairly unlikable person. I’d be happy with Lana, Chloe, or Jenny Olsen taking front stage, but I don’t really see why any of them should get second billing. They’re human. He’s better.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I liked Chloe in the show a helluva lot more than Lois…because she wasn’t a love interest.

  • Anonymous

    Jill, Check out DCWoman’s interviews with all the Superman historians./creators for the 75th anniversary. It was a common statement/theme in almost every interview.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    It’s a valid position but not the only correct interpretation.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Right? No, it’s an opinion, it’s not right or wrong, it just is.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not even remotely the point of Superman. He’s not better. He doesn’t believe he’s better. That’s the whole point.
    Lois is cynical bc she’s a WOMAN in a profession in which she gets treated like crap. Superman is the one thing that stands up to her scrutiny. She has only known powerful men who abuse their power and Superman is not corruptable. This is literally the whole point.
    Lois was the first and only person to believe in Superman outside of his parents in Man of Steel. She was willing to go to jail for him because she believed he could be good.
    You clearly don’t understand Superman. At all.

  • CommentsSectionsAreDumb

    Since Brando passed, Greatest Living American Actor.

  • Anonymous

    Actually…no. It is the only correct interpretation. this came directly from Jerry Siegel. It’s in a biography written by Bradley Ricca called “Superboys” that was just released recently that closely documents the creation of Superman and the history of Siegel and Shuster. This is what they believed. You can buy the book on Amazon.
    This is the correct interpretation from the creator. The fact that people like Waid, Rucka, Jurgens, Simone, Simonson, Snyder, Busiek, Pasko and even Morrison have affirmed it is only secondary at this point.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    I would additionally argue that Lois isn’t cynical, but simply tenacious and perceptive. If she sees something wrong, she says something… and some people see that as a hassle and would rather Lois stop ruffling the feathers; they shoot the messenger. This doesn’t stop Lois and rather than championing her determination, she gets flak. Lois is wholly misunderstood by most people around her except, to your point, Clark.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Pfft, aha-ahaha! NOPE, sorry. Once something is released to the masses, EVERYONE gets a say, even jugheads that can only reiterate points they’ve read or heard on TV. That’s what criticism is all about: dialogue. The creator and authors don’t just get to say, “This is what I mean and that is all it means.” Wrongo.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Eh, my personal opinion is that he’s better, regardless of what the creators are attempting to say. I understand and I don’t agree.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I suppose so.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a problematic comment for several reasons.
    1.) Yes Chloe was a love interest. It was just that her feelings for Clark weren’t returned. She wanted a relationship with him and he didn’t return those feelings. So Chloe wisely moved on and they became good friends Very lovely.
    2..) Lois Lane existed on Smallville for 4 years before entering into a relationship with Clark. She had her own narrative arc outside of Clark and eventualy they fell in love.
    3.) The term “love interest” is frankly a dated, crap term that doesn’t apply here. Women can be in romantic relationships and still be valid, strong, vital heroes. Lois Lane is a character in her own right and often the lover of Superman. These two things don’t negate each other.

  • Brett W

    The Batman/Superman rivalry/friendship is one of the greatest dynamics in all of comicdom. It’s the ultimate team-up. And frankly it’s more interesting than the Lois/Clark relationship, sorry.

  • Anonymous

    Sure. Informed dialogue is wonderful. I love a lively debate. With people who have their facts straight and have true knowledge of what they are arguing about.
    You clearly don’t.

  • Petrinka

    Though I am going to sound flipplant, it is not meant to be. From watching all of the 80s Superman movies (my father LOVED them), I always had the perception that Lois was more the girl that always had to be saved/arm candy than the good side of good vs evil.

    But like I said, my whole basis is just those movies, so if I’m wrong, I stand corrected.

  • Anonymous

    1.) I don’t dispute that the Batman/Superman friendship is wonderful and important. Had it been given it’s own movie after a proper Superman franchise was developed, I would have been thrilled. That’s not really the issue.
    2.) Frankly, you don’t speak for me or others nor do you get to be the judge of what is “interesting.”
    The Lois/Clark relationship has sustained the Superman franchise in some capacity for 75 years. It sustained a TV series in primetime before the era of DVR or Itunes to a tune of 20 million viewers. It was “interesting” enough that most critics of Man of Steel were letdown and angry that it wasn’t in the film in a greater capacity.
    Either way, these two things are not in competition with each other. One is a platonic friendship (yes despite the slash) and one is a life partnership. They could have and should have existed together in the same universe.
    Frankly. Sorry.

  • Anonymous

    Those movies are over 30 years old. Try reading a comic in the last 25 years and watching any of the media properties produced in the last 25 years.
    The sexual revolution has changed many things. (And even then I think that’s a narrow view of what was happening even 35 years ago)

  • Anonymous

    “Are we missing something? Or is this just a grown man saying yes to the
    chance to play our collective childhood hero because how could anyone
    say no?”

    It’s a chance for Affleck to get the same deal from Warner Bros. that Clint Eastwood and Christopher Nolan have. He does this and maybe he directs Justice League and then Warner Bros. will pretty much let him do whatever he wants. They’re already crushing on him due to Argo winning an Oscar for the studio.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t fault Affleck for this at all. He has a good relationship with Warner Bros. and they may have promised him something.
    I don’t love the casting but I don’t fault him at all for saying yes.

  • Petrinka

    And I just said I stand corrected, so please be a little nicer when someone admits that they don’t have your “knowledge” in the Superman universe.

    P.S. Does Lois still pursue news that gets her into trouble and knows that she will be ok because Superman will save her? I’m curious to see if that has changed.

  • Brett W

    Okay, first of all, I presume to speak only for myself and I’m allowed to have my opinion. Furthermore you seem to be under the impression that introducing Batman somehow diminishes Lois’s role, when I would say that’s not necessarily the case. It’s not as if she was going to be the focus of the film to begin with. The presence of Comissioner Gordon and Harvey Dent didn’t diminish Rachel Dawes’s role in the Dark Knight films, so I don’t see how Batman’s appearance necessarily diminishes Lois’s role. Although if it does, I admit I won’t be particularly offended.

  • Brett W

    Because Lois is a secondary character? It’s not a perfect comparison by any means, but I’d say she’s Superman’s “Alfred”. Undoubtedly important, but not the center of the story.

  • Amourah

    I leave this Luke Skywalker .gif here that perfectly illustrates how I feel about this…

    http://replygif.net/i/1062.gif

  • Anonymous

    I apologize, I truly wasn’t trying to be cold to you. When I said “try”—I honestly meant it in a “I think you might enjoy it” kind of way. I’m sorry if that didn’t come across.
    I don’t think Lois has ever known she will be ok. Especially now. And I think that’s the point.
    I think Lois is willing to die for the truth. We can call that reckless. It is reckless. But she goes running into the fire bc to not run into the fire would be to turn and run away.
    In the last 30 years she’s been shown as a military brat who is highly capable. (She just landed a crashing jet in Superman Unchained.) She has training of her own. If he saves her (which isn’t often these days) it’s because she was the only person brave enough to run in when everyone else ran away. Does that make sense?

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    I really enjoy Affleck, I love most of his roles, but yeah, this role IS NOT for him. Unless it’s going to be EMO-Batman, who cries a lot, cuz he can do that really well.

    I just don’t think he brings the right gravitas to the role.

    But, again, from what I’ve heard, Superman and Batman will be antagonists, so I’m waiting to pass judgement until I see Affleck’s turn as a villain in Runner Runner.

  • Anonymous

    No, Martha Kent is Superman’s Alfred.
    Lois is Jim Gordon and Robin combined if Batman had sex with Jim Gordon and Robin. She’s Jim Gordon/Robin and Selina.
    Either way, we just got a Batman trilogy where Alfred, Gordon and others were vital parts of Bruce’s journey with no Superman in sight to steal focus.

  • Anonymous

    If you speak only for yourself you want might to avoid words like “frankly” and speaking in absolutes.
    Rachel Dawe’s was a created female character who was fridged in the second film with little to no personal arc of her own. She was a character created solely for the purpose of killing her off. She was not one of the most important female characters in the comics genre.

  • Brett W

    Fair enough, like I said the comparison isn’t perfect. I was thinking that in this situation, Batman might be more like Jim Gordon. Or maybe Harvey Dent, minus the Face Heel Turn. But this is a unique circumstance so I’ll be reaching with any comparison I make. The closest thing is probably Iron Man 2, which I liked well enough though I know others didn’t.

  • Brett W

    Because it’s convenient. Sometimes I can’t be bothered to preface everything I say with an “in my opinion” disclaimer. Also, she wasn’t created solely to kill her. That would require Nolan to have had The Dark Knight completely planned out while they were writing Batman Begins, which I think is unlikely.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Exactly, since this Batman is going from the Nolan continuity, it makes sense that Batman’s going to be older.

  • Brett W

    It’s not continuing from the Nolan continuity. This is a completely different Batman.

  • http://www.el-cuervo.com Drezz

    Ugh. This happens EVERY time a new Batman is cast. Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale, etc. I’m not a big fan of Affleck, but he was pretty bad-ass in The Town. He can have an edge to his acting if directed properly.

  • Ryan Colson

    I’d also like to say that the original Superman film with Reeve was not “in the real world” at all. If you go back and rewatch it, it’s clear what you are seeing is more akin to a child’s reading Superman comics, which were notoriously goofy – just search the internet for superdickery – even for other comics back then, which pretty much explains why he can create time travel and such. I’d hazard they are semi-meta films or something akin to meta, which I think kind of adds to the brilliance a bit.

  • Calum Syers

    I think you might be right there, but I’d written off MoS as soon as I left the theatres. Personally, I’ll be avoiding this like a Phil Collins concert.

  • Ryan Colson

    I’m pretty sure the top 2 billings are Superman and Batman because of titles, I don’t see Lois/her actress getting a second billing much less a first until they do a TV show or film series titled “Superman’s Girlfriend Lois Lane” (which would probably be utterly awesome if they ever did one and just pushed Supes back to small cameos here and there as Lois does all kinds of reporter action things).

  • Anonymous

    Um, leaving aside the question of whether it’s a good casting choice, is this the same Ben Affleck who said in 2006 that he was ‘humiliated’ to have appeared onscreen in a superhero costume? Are there two Ben Afflecks out there, or is there just one two-faced Affleck, who couldn’t say “no” to this much money?

  • Anonymous

    This is a really good point. It’s going to be pretty much impossible for Batman not to become focal; there’s just so much complexity to his character, and to his character juxtaposed against Superman, I can’t imagine the scriptwriters/ directors will be able to resist. Instant boys’ club.

  • Ryan Colson

    Also Watchmen would be better if Nite Owl II and Silk Spectre II were not almost as insane about bodily harm infliction on bad guys as Rorschach was.

  • Mina

    I’m trying to stay neutral on this for now. I was really shocked by the news because, really, who would have predicted Ben Affleck? I never saw his name come up in relation to the role anywhere at all.

    My initial reaction was fan rage. I, too, have an irrational emotional attachment to Batman, and if I’m being honest with myself, there’s probably not anyone they could cast in the role that would leave me fully satisfied. I am not convinced Ben Affleck is Batman.

    However, I do have to admit to myself that I haven’t seen the movie yet so the performance might turn out to be quite acceptable. We just won’t know until then. There certainly were worse choices that could have been made. Ryan Gosling’s name kept floating around. I like him fine, but he is, to me, even less Batman than Affleck is. So it could have been much worse. We’ll just have to see how it goes.

    (I also have to admit to myself that even if it starts looking like they’re totally butchering this film, I will still be paying to see it. It has Batman in it. I’m incapable of saying no.)

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Ryan Gosling’s also rumored to be in talks for Star Wars(PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE)

  • Calum Syers

    For the record, I agree with you. I guess I was referring more to my own feelings on the Snyder mess. I’d felt that MoS was such a disservice, I can;t see myself getting too angry at DC and WB digging themselves further into a ditch.

  • Mina

    Yeah, when I hold him up to the previous Batman actors, I come away going, “Okay, he’s not my ideal by any stretch, but he’s not so bad, I suppose.” I’ll give him a shot, and even if he isn’t good, that alone probably won’t ruin the movie.

  • Jenny

    I’m much more worried about Zack Snyder making an epic snoozefest mess like “Man of Steel.” I’m intrigued by the casting. I love Ben Affleck, so I’m always happy when he gets another role. And I’m not really particularly connected to Batman as a character, so I don’t have that going for me either. It’s not a casting that I was expecting, but sometimes that’s the most fun for me! I’m going to give it a chance, but I’m much more worried that the movie is going to suck as a whole, with or without Affleck playing Batman.

  • Mina

    ……I liked Man of Steel. >_>

    I mean, it wasn’t perfect, but overall I did enjoy it.

  • Anonymous

    I was with you until this comment. It feels as though you’ve shifted from passionate,informed fan to obnoxious fan. It’s great that creators have interpretations of their work and direct themes they’ve chosen to explore (and that you are so well versed in them), but anyone should realize that the interpretations of those works go beyond creator’s intentions. That’s why works that are intended to be “Strong Female Characters” can still be interpreted as sexist and pandering rather than empowering. It’s why Remender can claim that he wasn’t trying to be racist and that the analogy of mutants and real-world prejudice doesn’t exist, or that his espoused attitudes aren’t problematic. It’s how Miller can claim that his flippant use of violent rape isn’t sexist or part of rape culture. It’s why works that go through multiple hands, interpretations, and authors can vary subtly or overtly from its original intention, like Claremont’s conception of Jean Grey, the Phoenix, Madelyne Pryor, and Scott Summers is thematically so different from Busiek’s, Morrison’s, Gillen’s, and Pak’s.

    Telling someone that there’s only ONE correct interpretation, when a work is naturally received, experienced, and digested by the public (and historians and creators NOT featured in the sanctioned interview), is symptomatic, problematic, and reiterative of the problems of “real geek” culture we’ve discussed before. I don’t disagree or have a problem at all with an interpretation that focuses on Lois Lane (quite the opposite, really), particularly in a break from a patriarchal inclination to prize male-male heterosexual dynamics as more meaningful in narratives, but I think it’s very narrow to claim that anything is the ONLY correct interpretation of a work.

    Perhaps that’s not how you’re trying to come off, but it’s how you’re coming off to me as of this comment.

  • http://adventureinepisode.tumblr.com/ DarthBetty

    Jeffrey Dean Morgan is forever my older mentor batman.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    I enjoyed MoS for its action, its look (Krypton looked cool), and its soul/heart… but as time passed, the action feels empty and it’s drama feels more like emotional manipulation (he had me totes weeping over Pa Kent :’()

    What I really missed was a smarter Superman (his total lack of a plan allowed thousands of people in Metropolis die) and a Lois Lane who lived up to her reputation (aside from exploring the ship in the first 10m of her apperance, what did she really do on her own?).

    So yeah… Zack entertained me for a couple hours but after that, I’m left wanting more (in the bad way).

  • Calum Syers

    ^^^ Internet xplosion! MY BAD FOLKS! D’OH!

    Or, my own idiocy. This is me trying to re-write a message and not realising that there was an “Edit” button and instead pressing “Delete” and re-writing what could have easily be edited. Whoops

    VVV Me, again.

  • Anonymous

    I actually enjoyed the idea behind Suckerpunch as a meta-critique of the sexualization of women’s empowerment in geek culture. If we’re taking creator’s intentions as the ONLY correct interpretation (which apparently is a thing for some commentors), then Snyder created a fantastic and searing critique of male-gaze/female-sexualization geek culture.

  • Anonymous

    So, were The Town and Argo comedies? They seemed really well received, as was his acting.

  • Anonymous

    I remember when everyone said Anne Hathaway was too Disney Princess to have the edge to play Catwoman…

  • Brett W

    The way you talk, anyone would think Lois was the main character rather than Superman.

  • Anonymous

    …and they were correct :

    (Pfeiffer FTW)

  • Mina

    I wish so badly there were a way to put Kevin Conroy in a live-action Batman role. I think he’s old enough now that that ship has very much sailed, but I’m currently dreaming of a future Batman Beyond film in which Conroy could play old Bruce.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you COMPLETELY that works go through different interpretations over the years. And thank God for that. How wonderful that so many of our female characters and characters of color have been able to evolve in decades in which we have more nuanced/changed views on gender, feminism, race, and sexuality. It’s valid and vital that we can all change and bring new things to the table.
    What I was attemping to say (and clearly failed miserably so I apologize) is that there are certain facts that are at the root of a narrative and if you want to argue and debate those facts—it helps to be well versed in what they actually are.
    Superman was created by two Jewish men in an era in which Jewish people were very much “othered.” Lois was envisioned and created as a partner and “mate” in an era where women were often created to be passive and were rarely if ever shown to be aggressive in jobs or in dangerous situations. This wasn’t just important to his process—it was vital both creatively and culturally.
    What’s difficult is that, currently, we stlll don’t live in a situation where women are an equal part of the fight or the creative decisions so…yes, it’s very hard to see people toss away the influence of women in a narrative. It always feels like we are fighting a losing battle.
    In this case, the issue is more sensitive bc the situation with the Siegels and DC is very controversial, very emotional for many involved and still a sensitive subject for a lot of people. But you’re right, I should have phrased my point differently.

  • http://adventureinepisode.tumblr.com/ DarthBetty

    He is much better in The Town and Argo, but he also directed both of those films, I’m wondering if a lot of pressure was taken off of him that then increased his performances.The best I’ve seen him outside of jersey accent is Argo, and was mostly because his beard and long hair helped hide the pouty lip thing he does when he’s sad about something. What throws me off is always his voice, which is what concerns me the most. I dunno. It could turn out really well too.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve said repeatedly that she’s #2. So either you aren’t actually reading what I’m saying or you are just trying to be cruel.

  • Anonymous

    Lois always has second billing in a Superman movie.
    She had second billing in Man of Steel, Superman Returns, The 50′s series, Lois and Clark and the final seasons of Smallville. She also had second billing in most of the animated properties.
    She usually always has second billing in a property ABOUt Superman.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t really change the point that it’s a bad comparison.
    Jim Gordon and Harvey Dent are iconic BATMAN franchise character in a Batman movie.
    Rachel Dawes was an original character. She was not an iconic, famous female character. And she died. She’s not exactly proof of a great narrative arc for a woman in one of these films. She was fridged.

  • Anonymous

    I mean…I love the original Donnerverse movies. Well, I love the first and second one. They aren’t uber “real” movies but they are beautiful movies all the same. They were fitting for the audience and tone of the times.

  • J Ritchey

    Here’s a question: does this mean Affleck will direct Justice League now? Wasn’t something like this his condition to do it: he had to be cast in it too?

    Couldn’t he have played Snapper Carr instead?

  • Brett W

    I prefer Hathway honestly. Pfeiffer’s Catwoman was weird and creepy. Like everything else in Batman returns. Hathaway was more like the Catwoman I know.

  • Brett W

    What you said is that she’s the “lead”. Sorry if I read too much into that statement.

  • Anonymous

    I said she was the FEMALE LEAD. Which she is. She is the leading female character. And has second billing. Please try actually reading what i’m saying.

  • Anonymous

    Haha, I won’t lie that Pfieffer is my favorite Catwoman, but I thought Hathaway did an excellent modern Catwoman in a world that wasn’t a Tim Burton snowglobe. That first scene when she takes out Bruce Wayne, and the amazing cat-like saunter she does while fighting/kidnapping Daggett were really great interpretations to me. (Also, the classic Catwomen like Ertha Kitt are outside traditional ranking. :))

  • Brett W

    So her dying somehow makes her character less important or consequential? Rachel arguably influenced the entire trilogy.

  • Anonymous

    My personal opinion is that Rachel was an underwritten, poorly used female character in a franchise that treated women, in general, very poorly. Catwoman was written well in the final film but outside of that, it was not a female-positive franchise. I want better for the Superman franchise. Your mileage may vary.

  • Fisty

    Hey Internet. Let’s shit on people after they do a bad job. Then again, I disagree with most of you and thought Man of Steel was a great Superman movie.

  • Thomas Hayes

    Like Darkseid.

    Okay, that’s terrible but I couldn’t resist it

  • Anonymous

    I always get Ben Affleck confused with Brad Pitt, so I was very surprised by this announcement. But anyway: legitimate reactions of shock are one thing, condemning a movie which hasn’t even happened yet is quite another.

    Batman is a malleable character, and his portrayal has varied widely with the actor. Affleck’s been good in some things, so he could be good in this. The level of vitriol I’ve seen on facebook has just been insane, and a little disproportionate.

  • Thomas Hayes

    I do like Snyder and think his visual style was great for 300 and cool in Watchmen. Man of Steel though, was just grey. Way too grey. Would it have hurt to have some colour in the film? It’s definitely not what I expected when he was announced as the director. Also, I LIKE the speed-ramping :)

  • Brett W

    I thought Rachel was quite well written, actually. I don’t see what could have possibly been cut to give her more screen time, or how doing so would have improved the film.

  • http://adventureinepisode.tumblr.com/ DarthBetty

    I definitely didn’t intend to sound like I was condemning the movie. Or I mean, defending people who are condemning the movie, just that some of us have seen all of his recent films (acting wise) and still don’t like the dude as an actor. I think I was just venting my frustrations at not being able to have legit reasons for not liking this choice because of all the people who keep saying
    “LOL WUT DAREDEVILS GIGLI GUYSSS”

  • Anonymous

    Ha, yeah, that must be annoying. You’re certainly not obligated to like him. There are a lot of unknown quantities with this film, though. Affleck is pretty low on my list of worries.

  • Craig Forshaw

    One sentence that solves every care I have in a fantastic geeky squeal: “Warner Bros. are still looking to cast the role of Damian Wayne.”

    A second sentence that would make this even better: “Jackie Gleeson will also be returning as King Joffrey, but this time Batman will slap the annoying little bestard [sic].”

    (Those that don’t remember him, he was in ‘Batman Begins’, and Batman saved him, meaning his hatred of Stark’s is probably just more fanboys trolling their competition.)

  • Craig Forshaw

    How dare you?! Any how do I dare your dare? Given that I skipped the film as I hated ‘Watchmen’ and Zack Snyder’s attempts at a signature style. Meh, whatever, glad you enjoyed it.

    Seriously, though: Damian Wayne, or I’ll skip this one, too, and wait until they finally hire Sandy Corrolla. ‘Batman: Dead End’ is still the best Batman movie ever (see it on youtube, it manages the best Batman, Joker, and Aliens vs. Predator movie all in one, and that sounds awful, but, really, wow, it’s a thing of beauty).

  • Anonymous

    I can’t say I hate this choice. First, Ben Affleck is a much different actor and filmmaker now than he was back in the Daredevil (2003) days. He’s much more mature in terms of the projects he chooses and in his acting. He’s done mostly good to great stuff since Hollywoodland in 2006. And I can see him as an older, worn down, exasperated Batman having to deal with an unusual threat in the form of Superman. Also, becoming a husband and a father has helped him to add some depth to his performances. I’d argue Batman is a better character for him than Daredevil ever was.

    And most people did, in fact, HATE Heath Ledger’s casting as the Joker despite Ledger coming off a very good run of movies and acting choices – much like Affleck is doing now. I was shocked then to see how much people objected to the guy who was coming off of I’m Not There, Brokeback Mountain, Ned Kelly, and Monster’s Ball. And much of that HATE was because they had the comic book or Jack Nicholson Joker in mind. Once they saw Ledger and Nolan’s new take they bought in. Well, I imagine Snyder and Nolan will give us yet another take on Batman, and until we hear more about what direction they’re going in it seems unfair to label Affleck as a bad choice or not a true Batman. I mean, people complained about Hathaway as Catwoman and Hardy as Bane when they were first announced.

    But mostly I just don’t want to effing sit through a year and a half of people going nuclear about this movie before we even see a trailer. Optimism isn’t such a bad thing.

  • http://nerdofalltrades.tumblr.com/ Angry And Yellow

    I have nothing against Affleck as an actor, I just can’t see him as either Bruce Wayne or Batman. I separate the two because I think it requires different skills and temperament to both. To me, Affleck does his best work when he’s playing the everyman, average joe that’s been caught up in some situation. Bruce, particularly a Bruce that is going toe-to-toe with Superman, is anything but average. I think an actor like Daniel Craig has the type of vibe that I would expect from Batman.
    I’ve thought this movie was going to be a mess ever since they announced that the new Batman would be a part of it and nothing they’ve shown me in the meantime has convinced me otherwise.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I spent half the damn afternoon shopping, lunching, thinking of smarmy or informed comebacks, and you went ahead and did the job, albeit with grace and dignity that I rarely bring to funny book arguments. I appreciate you.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    I suppose there’s a difference between television now and television 20 years ago, but that was the epitome of “team book” and did a great job of allowing Lois to flourish. As I recall. I may not remember it correctly.

  • Adam R. Charpentier

    Chloe moved on, though. She got better. She stopped being a love interest. She stayed interesting to me. Lois did everything I expected Lois to do. The new character held my interest where Lois didn’t. And I’m just comparing the three dominant female peers in the show…not so much Clark. He was a potato.

  • Jeremy

    I suspect it’s quid pro quo. Affleck wants to direct a JL movie (“Hey, Branagh did Thor, amirite?”), so WB says “Well you have to be in MoS2 then. You can be Lex Luthor or Batman. First one means you have to shave your head.”

  • Anonymous

    I had my heart set on Alec Baldwin’s head superimposed onto a much younger stunt performer’s body.

  • Anonymous

    Ahahaha, oh, I feel bad for laughing…

  • Anonymous

    No Massage Envy??? OUTRAGE!!!

  • DragonPunchSexy

    You’re telling people to wait and see? That’s all we’ve been saying to you about Affleck playing Batman and you’ve basically raged a nerd war against us citing that Batman is “your character” as your reason. I would think if anyone would understand why someone like Mary229 would be pissed that HER CHARACTER now has to dance the two-step with the most over exposed figure in the DC movie universe (seven films already, not counting the animated features), it would be you.

    So instead of trying to play it like it’s no big deal, why don’t you stand with her and shout to the heavens, “NO! No more Batman until Justice League! No Batman and Superman buddy cop movies! WE WANT DIVERSITY!” or, you know, whatever.

  • Jenna Christensen

    I’ll be honest. I probably won’t care about anything Warner Brothers’ DC does until they announce a Wonder Woman movie. Seriously, Marvel is making a film with a fighting tree while DC decides to play it safe and go with what they’ve gone with for decades. I’ll probably be bored with DC movies for a good long while.

  • Gary Keyes

    You got that right, Mary229. I was never a Lois lane fan but I definitely acknowledge her very important role in the Superman mythos. She is HIS link to Humanity. The representative his love and respect for Earthlings. It took me awhile to figure out why Superman loves her and not another super being like Wonder Woman. She’s that connection he needs to keep himself a feeling creature not a God.

  • samwolf78

    I could accept Affleck as a young Bruce Wayne / Batman. I could see him following up after Bale. But if there going with an older seasoned Batman like in Frank Millers book Affleck is all wrong. Im not sure who I would pick right now without knowing more of the story there going with. For a younger Batman I think Robert Kazinsky could pull it off well. Based on what I saw of him in Pacific Rim and this last season of True Blood I think he could pull off both Bruce Wayne and Batman.

  • samwolf78

    Almost as soon as I clicked Post I had a thought for who could play an old grissled Batman, Max Martini. He played Robert Kazinsky’s characters Dad in Pacific Rim. Hes gnarly old bad ass.

  • Amourah

    You mean “Please no” right? Because what SW needs is another Hayden Christiansen… bleugh.

  • frodobatmanvader

    I think the casting happened because the cleft-chinned director wanted someone who also had a chin manly enough to act opposite the lantern-jawed Henry Cavill.

  • frodobatmanvader

    Daredevil the movie wasn’t Affleck’s fault, but Daredevil the bland performance? Totally his fault.

    Solid director, though.

  • Jake Brown

    You’d think that after everyone raved about Argo and how Ben Affleck was amazing as a director and actor in it people would give him a chance and not constantly bring up movies made decades earlier when he was a much less mature actor. I understand that some people don’t see him in the role but seriously saying stuff like that is just a really sad way of reacting to a casting decision. Do you honestly dislike Ben Affleck that much. No he wasn’t good as daredevil and let me tell you Daredevil is my Batman. My Dad became an attorney because of Matt Murdock and I’ve grown up reading him and liking him more than anyone else. The movie sucked but it’s been a long time and I feel that we should give a now proven professional oscar winning actor a chance at doing something that we all love. I’m with Joss Whedon on this if they give him a good script he’ll be a good batman.

  • Ryan Colson

    Inddddeed

  • aggieagatha

    I don’t get why Batfleck is such a big deal. Lets just see what he can do. Yes Daredevil was absolute toss, but that was young Affleck. He’s a great director and his acting is significantly better. People need to calm down… Especially with the petition… How immature and what a load of losers. You can be a geek but not be mental. Give it a chance! If he is shit what is the worst that could happen? We ignore his films and continue to love the Dark Knight.

  • aggieagatha

    I totally agree. I’m tired of the whole Batman thing and I just want other heroes to get their time in the sun (get it?).

  • Anna

    I suddenly thought that Ben Affleck would make quite a nice Dick Grayson.
    Also I don’t think anything can make Man of Steel any worse, I mean with this Superman having a chicken neck, dull coloured suit, and not wearing his panties.
    Still hate the fact.