Watch Stephanie Brown Kick Ass In Batgirl: Spoiled, An Upcoming Web Series

… umm… Stephanie Brown? Yeah, what, couldn’t get someone to act as Cassandra Cain?

I don’t hate Stephanie Brown, I really don’t. Heck, under Bryan Q Miller, she was a better Spider-Man in spirit than the actual Spider-Man was when written under Dan Slott, but what does bug me about it is that she had her own superhero identity as the Spoiler.

And then DC Comics threw Cassandra Cain under the bus to give yet another blonde haired, blue eyed, white girl a role, and a role that had been occupied by a disabled woman of colour, because that’s the sort of thing that DC does.

And yeah, this is a pretty ambitious endeavour, as much as the Static Shock mini-movie, and it’s great that the creaters included Oracle, Renee montoya as the Question, and Batwoman, but it’s still disappointing to see that Cassandra Cain apparently has no place here as well as the comics.

On the other paw, Gotham’s got enough brooding, dark, self introspective heroes, especially since Mr. Grayson left town. Physical features notwithstanding, I like Stephanie.

I’m with Jamie. Cassie Cain is my Batgirl and I’ve yet to forgive D.C. for ruining her. And I didn’t even make it to the part where D.C. did their worst to her. I stopped reading when Andersen Gabrych replaced Kelley Puckett and moved Batgirl to Bludhaven.

And while I hear Stephanie’s book was good, I still think she worked better as a psudo-sidekick/BFF to Cass. If they were going to replace her (edit: Cass) with a blonde version of Young Barbara Gordon, then they should have just put Babs back in the… ohhhhhhhhhhh.

So you’re pissed that these people, fans of Stephanie Brown, didn’t do a story about Cass Cain? And that’s DC’s fault how?

Appreciate it for the awesome that it is, or shut up. You want a Cassandra Cain webseries? Here’s an idea: GO MAKE ONE.

All three versions of Batgirl are fucking awesome, and you don’t know that Cassandra Cain won’t show up in the series at some point. I know Zatanna’s going to be in it (from an image posted on the series twitter feed), but she’s not in the preview, same goes for Batman himself.

As Flower’s mom taught him in Bambi: “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”

Me? I’m fucking excited for this!

It looks interesting – I will hold judgement until I see the actual acting – but I loved all the characters they are going to have.

This feels like it has much potential  for awesome sauce. I’m a big Cass Cain fain but I like Stephanie Brown a lot too. And who knows, maybe Cass will show up as Black Bat, I mean they have Renee Montoya in there as The Question and Barbara Gordon as Oracle!! So we don’t know yet. I can definitely understand the frustration of Cass fans who are posting especially considering the  news that they are apparently de-aging Shiva in the new Nightwing (I know I’m beyond livid)… but don’t hate on Stephanie or her fans, she got completely shafted as well and is also an awesome character in her own right. If anything I think Steph and Csss fans should celebrate and support this they way those characters supported and helped each other.

Just my 2 cents YMMV :)

 No, I’m not pissed, I’m sad.

Like I said, I don’t hate Stephanie, and this is a pretty damned ambitious project. I just see that shadow of how DC got rid of a woman of colour in order to promote yet another blonde haired, white woman in a role she held for a good long while.

I see that the fans behind this are obviously sinking their personal time, money, and equipment into this, and I wish them luck. This is not an easy thing to do for even professionals who get paid, let alone fans.

I just see the shadow of what DC did to Cassandra Cain, and what they do to characters of colour in general, hanging over Stephanie Brown.

 Oh no, believe me, I’m not hating on Steph either. I have the first volume of her as Batgirl, which was my first real exposure to her in comics I’ve collected, and Bryan Q Miller did a great job in writing something that’s actually fun, a rarity in comics from either Marvel of DC.

It’s also great to see Oracle again, someone else that DC erased in order to push a nostalgic past for their retcon/reboot, and if this crew brings in Cass Cain, that’d be great as well.

I hope things work out well for this crew, as it’s obvious how passionate they are about this project.

I’m gonna be a bit of a horrible person here and just say I wasn’t particularly impressed.

It’s like what would happen if someone saw one of Noto’s Batcovers (or Nguyen or someone) and thought it’d be cool to make a show about her… without actually reading them. Steph is lightning fast, athletic, acrobatic and – more importantly – FUN. She cracks jokes during combat, she mocks people. She wouldn’t drop in through a window, stand there like an idiot for half an hour and then take out a light. The ‘real’ Steph would fall through the window, land on her arse loudly and be surrounded within seconds, saying little more than an “oops?” whilst waving coyly at the thugs.

Yeah, it’s great that they’ve tried and are trying to keep a sadly-brushed under character going, but in that clip I saw absolutely nothing of Steph beyond the costume.

As I’ve seen mentioned elsewhere – if they could get a fight co-ordinator and a choreographer to conduct the fight scenes, maybe it’d be better, but someone please give the script writer and the actors all three trades of the Steph/Batgirl run.

 Ok cool, I can get behind that. I know both Cass and Steph fandoms are pretty passionate but I’ve never understood the animosity between the two. honestly I think both would be better served to turn their collective rage on DC but that’s another ball of wax lol Back to the subject at hand..

 Considering what they seem to be doing with this show I honestly think (and hope like crazy) Cass will end up making an appearance.  As a side note isn’t it totally crazy that’s its nearly impossible to find physical trades for either Cass or Stephanie’s tenures as Batgirl?! I mean seriously, you would think they would reprint both of them for fans to give us something. Thank goodness you can get the single issues digitally through Comixology…though I don’t want to say it too loud. Didio might hear and snatch that away too lol

 What are the titles of these Trade Paperbacks? I gotta get’em!

Batgirl Rising, The Flood & The Lesson.

 Thanks!  Now, to the friendly neighbourhood MacNally Robinson!
Yoicks and AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s fourth Batgirl, technically.  :)

I understand that being a fan of Cass, you’re disappointed, but this doesn’t have anything to do with Cass Cain or what DC did. This is because fans of Stephanie Brown–who had fans long before she was Batgirl–miss her and want to do something centered around her.

Holy crap, that was her taking out a light?

You sure she didn’t just have a light globe and throw it for kicks? Maybe it is the real Steph having a laugh. See! The globe broke. Lights out suckas!

Honestly that whole trailer was pretty… disappointing. I would like my four minutes back :(

 I have to agree… They could have done Stephanie Brown WAY better, in that fanfilm…

The first two are currently out of print and as such SUPER expensive, but you can get the back issues through DC’s digital distributor for a very reasonable price. And they are really great comics. I just started reading them and I LOVE Steph. :)

I was thinking that, too–isn’t this girl way more confident than Steph ever is? :P

 Thanks!  You haven’t forgotten about Amazon?  I usually try them when nothing else works out.

It won’t let me reply below for some reason so I am replying above.  Yeah, I’ve checked Amazon.  Batgirl Rising is going for about $40 dollars right now (if you buy the component back issues it’s like 15), and The Flood is upwards of 80.  Luckily The Lesson is still in print–I just got ordered it for 15 bucks.  A comics dealer told me–IDK if it’s true–that the out of print thing was just temporary while DC changed distributors.  *shrugs*

 Okay.  Now I got a little more to go on…
Thanks!

dude. they said on their youtube page that CASS is in it! So calm down. They said they didnt have the costume tailored during the shooting of the trailer. So take a chill pill. Honestly, It was CASSANDRA who was longer at her role at batgirl than Stephanie. Stephanie was actually the one who keeps getting thrown out of comics because her comics got cancelled. Cass didn’t get canceled, she became black bat, while steph’s future is STILL unknown. Atleast we know what and where Cass was after she gave up the role of batgirl. But we don’t know about stephanie

Well they’re really both thrown to the side. Neither of them are in the new 52 and when Cass was Black Bat Steph was still Batgirl. And Cass was thrown to the side just as much as Steph was. Yeah, Steph died, but Cass turned evil and wasn’t written into any comics for a while starting in 2006. Then they said she was toxic and she only got a few appearances, one 8 issue miniseries in 2008, and a couple appearances in Red Robin and such since then. Steph has been a character for longer, but was always a supporting role. That is until she died in 2005, and came back to like some time later. The reason we don’t know about Steph is because she doesn’t exist in the new 52, and neither does Cass. So they both have take a lot of crap, but don’t think Cass has taken any less. Mostly I just miss Cass and Steph BFFiness. And I love them both. Well, I liked Steph better as Spoiler than Batgirl, and her Robin stint was just a pitiful move by Bruce that was cute for Steph but you know.

Steph is one of my favorite characters but I never enjoyed her Batgirl run that much. I don’t know why, but something about just wasn’t the same as her adorable Spoiler and Robin stints. I also never understood why she became Batgirl. I get that she needed it for character development, but I always felt like as much as she switched identities Spoiler was always the one that was really hers. Of course, she made the Batgirl name hers as well, but something never clicked with me.

Gonna save everyone some time here, and say — don’t bother watching this. It’s a string of long cheesy monologues, followed by a slow and dragged out “fight” scene, and then an attempted rape scene that embarrasses everyone involved in this project and exposes that no one here knows how to tell a story.
So you made a bad fan film. So your lead actress has a forced, awkward acting style that’s better suited to porn. So you apparently don’t know much about the Stephanie Brown character, and failed miserably at hiding it from the discerning community of Batman fans (forget they were just treated to the excellent Nolan trilogy). So you made a bad call and decided you were going to have a beloved character fondled by unattractive men in a cringe-worthy rape attempt. So Charlie’s Angels had better fighting.
That’s okay. Cut your losses now, apologize for unsuccessfully posing as real filmmakers, and move on to another project.
Or… spend a year arranging and posting a bunch of bragging interviews for yourself, delete all the negative comments on your youtube channel, and announce that you are making 11 more episodes. And proclaim that your fan film blows all others out of the water. Nevermind that dozens of other people did it better, with no ego and less fanfare (see: Batman: Dead End, Batman: Death Wish, Batman: City of Scars).
Yeah, do what you’re doing instead.

You know I’m really getting tired of that retort. Because fact is if someone actually did make one, you’d probably not watch it in the first place, and you’d be the one saying why they choose to make a film about this character when XXX was first. If you like something, fine, If you disagree with someone’s point of view then disagree with it, but don’t say stupid, meaningless shit.

That’s a bit harsh. Making a film, even a bad one is hard work, and no one sets out to make a bad film. What I would kind of agree with you on is that I don’t think it helps the independent and amateur filmmakers one bit by giving them any slack by saying, “This was good for a fanmade project”, or even the more demeaning , “This is okay considering it was low budget”. Especially when you consider that there is low-budget, fanmade stuff out there that blows Hollywood out of the water be it by sfx that someone spent hellacious time in their basement tweaking to be just right, or a truly original screenplay that makes those Hollywood bozos look like the hacks they are. There really is not much excuse for putting out something that isn’t as close to perfection as it could be, because the one asset that the non pro filmmaker has in their asenal that Hollywood doesn’t is time. You have the time to make it perfect, and if it doesn’t look or feel right, then get rid of it and come up with an alternative that does. Do the private screening for people who don’t have a vested interest in the project (i.e. people who don’t know you), and get their take. What works, what doesn’t, and don’t be so enamored of your masterpiece that you can’t leave something on the editing room floor (and I do know no one cuts actual film these days). I’m willing to give the creators of BGS another chance. I think the criticism of ep 1 probably caught them a bit off guard, but if they learn from it, I think they can turn this thing around and make a memorable series.