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Mutatis Mutandis

The Avengers 2 Might Bring Mutants to the Marvel Cinematic Universe


The Iron Man 3 had its Los Angeles premiere last night, and that means that there were plenty of folks with an inside line on the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe walking down a gauntlet of reporters. It’s probably inevitable that somebody would drop a bombshell on the red carpet. When the dust cleared, Joss Whedon was standing alone, in his hand a direct quote about how the first draft of The Avengers 2 he’d locked in a new brother/sister duo for the film.

Before you go out and cross reference sibling teams and the Avengers in comics, you should probably just be told that the very likely culprits are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Which is very, very interesting from a licensing standpoint. I swear.

Here’s the relevant quote. When asked, if The Avengers 2 already has a first draft, how much he expects it to change going forward, Whedon said that he definitely was expecting it to evolve, but:

I’ve got these two characters, you know, I’ve got these two of my favorite characters from the comic books, a brother/sister act. They’re in the movie. That’s exciting. You know you can lock certain things in.

As MTV Splash Page points out, there are a few well known Marvel sibling teams, but they’re predominantly mutants, and the only ones with any ties to the Avengers are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, the twin children of the X-Men villain Magneto. And if those characters wound up in The Avengers 2, it would be a big calling of “dibs” on the part of Disney.

See, it’s well known that a lot of companies other than Disney currently own the movie rights to some of Marvel’s biggest characters. Spider-Man, and his assorted villains and supporting cast, for example, remain under the control of Sony Pictures. While 20th Century Fox has recently relinquished control of Daredevil after opting not to rush a reboot or sequel into production just to keep their rights, and hasn’t really done much to reboot the Fantastic Four franchise since announcing it would do so in 2009, the company’s commitment to their X-Men franchise shows now sign of stopping. It’s been made very clear by Marvel Entertainment that the Marvel Cinematic Universe cannot bring mutant characters into the fold until Fox deliberately relinquishes its rights or allows the X-Men franchise to lay fallow for enough time that their licensing contract expires.

But fans have always wondered where that leaves Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, two mutant characters, the children of Magneto, who have always been more associated with the Avengers than either the X-Men or the Brotherhood of Mutants, though they have at times been members of all three groups. Do they count as mutants? Or do they count as Avengers? When the twin siblings’s powers manifested (Wanda has the ability to control probability in addition to an innate talent for magic, and Pietro has speed powers) they were attacked by nearby humans, and rescued by Magneto, though none of them, at the time, knew that they were all family. Pressed into the Brotherhood of Mutants because they felt they owed the supervillain for saving them, they would eventually abandon his mission. Shortly thereafter they were recruited for the second generation of the Avengers, still lead by Captain America, but comprised of Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and another reformed villain more familiar to the Marvel Cinematic Unvierse: Hawkeye.

Folks in high places at Marvel Entertainment have indicated that the strange place of overlap that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are in means that they’re sort of up for grabs. Which just adds to the evidence that when Whedon says “brother/sister act,” he means Wanda and Pietro Maximoff. Given the licensing requirements, I’d be really interested to see how they’re inserted into the MCU. And, of course, I’m very excited to see this confirmation, at the very least, of at least a second female Avenger.

(via MTV Splash Page.)

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  • Wayne Anthony Feeney

    I believe I read somewhere that if Scarlet Witch and Pietro are used in the Avengers universe, legally there can be no mention of them being mutants since that infringes (or whatever the term is) on the X-Men universe. So if they are featured in Avengers 2, wonder how they’ll be presented?

  • Anonymous

    Maybe im crazy but i expect the billion dollar contracts the movie companies signed have taken this into account and there is a clear answer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lindsey.stock.7 Lindsey Stock

    I can see them getting away with it if they tweak their backstory a bit so that there’s no reference to Magneto, which is something Fox would definitely not let slide. But is Marvel Studios even allowed to use mutants at all? Would they have to explain SW and QS powers as something else?

  • Pepper

    I was so caught up in wondering whether or not Whedon literally meant “brother and sister” or if was just describing the two characters’ relationship that I failed to notice the bright spot you pointed out. At least we get another female Avenger!

  • Travis Fischer

    Marvel can use them, but they can’t be “Mutants”.

  • http://www.tuxotaku.com/ Ryan Draga

    what I would LOVE to see (but I know won’t happen) is a bidding war for the X-Men franchise in which Disney won, included Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in the Avengers roster, and eventually went on to produce movie versions of House of M and eventually Avengers vs. X-Men

  • LizbethAnne

    Could they say their father was an unnamed “terrorist” or enemy of SHIELD or something like that? It’s not like the Avengers hiring people with powers and shady parents would be a new thing (thinking of Spider-Woman).

  • Anonymous

    If this ends up in court, the case had better be called “Avengers Vs X-Men”

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.matson6 Mark Matson

    The obvious solution is you just don’t say. Keep the canon that they are mutants and Magneto’s children, just don’t say it. The average moviegoer won’t care — they have super powers! Those that do care already know the answer.

  • Anonymous

    Feige had earlier said both companies have rights to the characters, but that’s it. If I remember correctly, Pietro and Wanda (or at least one of them) are name checked in Stryker’s files in X-2, so Fox can certainly use them, at least, just not any of their Avengers ties.

    Even if you remove Magneto from their parentage (it was a retcon after all) the whole reformed terrorist thing is still pretty important. And then explaining how they have powers without mentioning that they’re mutants could be another problem.

    Maybe Marvel and Fox could work out some kind of deal? I do remember Mark Millar saying that he’d be up for a collaboration with Marvel if they ever asked.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Ilfariun Ryan Hamilton

    What about Phyla Vell and Mahr Vell? Which would also open the possibility of bringing Carol Danvers into the mix.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506365944 Adam Wemp

    There’s also canon history between Wanda and Hawkeye, so that could translate into some nice dramatic tension between Wanda and Black Widow … we already had the guys duke it out last movie … Scarlet Witch vs. Black Widow anyone?

  • Anonymous

    I believe in Joss Whedon but those 2 characters are pretty far down the list of Avengers I’d like to see on the big screen. Black Panther, Ms./Capain Marvel, Ant-Man & Wasp would all make more sense than 2 characters with a very famous father the film won’t be able to name.
    Still, Whedon is rarely wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/thegaf The Gaf

    Pretty sure its going to be Artie and Leech. Or are they both boys? Are they even siblings? Maybe one gets Starbucked.

  • Anonymous

    They aren’t mutants they’d be ‘genetic anomalies’.

    But personally I prefer ‘Who cares how they got their powers? Just go with it.’

  • TKS

    I squeed a squee. I squeed a squee that could be heard for miles.

  • Lady Rainicorn

    Hoo boy, I guess Marvel better start praying now that the non-geek media doesn’t pick up on the whole incest thing that went down in The Ultimates a few years back.

  • http://profiles.google.com/kitfoxtrot Christopher LaHaise

    What I’m wondering is why Disney doesn’t just go to the other studios, say ‘here’s a lot of money’, and buy everything back. They’d probably come out ahead in the long run.

  • Anonymous

    Because the other studios know that Disney would come out ahead, meaning that they know by *not* taking the deal, then they come out ahead.

  • http://twitter.com/Rmjonesc13 Rebekah M. Jones

    You and me both. Eeeeee, I LOVE THOSE TWO. Yay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chelsea.miller Chelsea Miller

    I’m going to cry omg Wanda is my absolute favorite.

    I KNEW I COULD COUNT ON YOU, JOSS!!

  • Anonymous

    Well, if any of the rumors are true, we’re due to see the current incarnation of Captain Marvel make an appearance in Guardians of the Galaxy (though possibly as Ms. Marvel), paving the way for an Avengers appearance. And Ant-Man’s solo film is set for the November after Avengers 2, so he could theoretically appear in the film, but is more likely set for Avengers 3. Wasp is a favorite of Whedon, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he introduces her whenever he introduces Ant-Man. The only one we haven’t heard much on is Black Panther.

  • Anonymous

    Were either of them on the Avengers at any point, though? I thought those iterations of Captain Marvel were exclusively GotG.

  • http://twitter.com/sara_smile Sara

    If we get Scarlet Witch introduced….does that mean that we MAY get a Young Avengers movie someday??

  • Wayne Anthony Feeney

    I think the average movie-goer would care. It’d be a pretty glaring pink elephant if they were the only two with super powers whose origins weren’t accounted for.

  • Kevin A-Z

    I’d be fine with just the Black Widow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/KozmikPariah Ryan Colson

    So, TMS failed on old news again? Nobody else seems to recall both studios share the mutie duo and the Skrulls….

  • Anonymous

    Oh, gods, I hope not, the Hawkeye/Wanda history is one of the creepiest we get. She spends years rejecting him, and then one day, when she has lost all memory of who she is, who he is, and all that, they have a one-night stand?

    I think it would be much more interesting if something happened between her and Captain America in the film, as they too have history and there’s a very strong possibility we’ll have that again in the comics.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Incest is cool now. You can thank GRR Martin for that.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Plus, if I gotta have a girlfight, PLS let it be about something other than a man.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Unless the can use the show to do it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=116504186 Bill Alsaker

    Wasn’t Leech in X-Men 3?

  • Anonymous

    DO NOT WANT. I’m still burned over Wanda House of M to present. Quicksilver, eh. I guess every team needs a speedster. There are so many other awesome female Avengers who I don’t hate that would be great being in the next film…

  • http://profiles.google.com/kitfoxtrot Christopher LaHaise

    If Disney offers 100 million for, say, Fantastic Four, the studio has a choice: Spend about that much to make a movie which may or may not work, or come out ahead by a hundred million for a franchise they lose money on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.brongers Daniel Brongers

    Personally, due to their heritage and powers, I think that Wanda and Pietro should stay in the X-Men lore. It is where they belong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nikolas-Marinakis/1079893970 Nikolas Marinakis

    Yeah, but the hint by Whedon is the story here, isn’t it?

  • Cranium Rinse

    I want this to happen now!!

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    do we now which Ant-Man is going to be the movie verse yet? I keep hearing Lang as a name being thrown around but IDK why they wouldn’t do the original and introduce Hank Pym and thereby introduce Janet as well.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    I’m trying to remember how the Ultimates verse presented it…didn’t the govt make mutants by accident somehow? Maybe go that route and say it was some other random govet or evil group’s random science experiment gone wrong? Or just tell the team it’s classifyed? Or that they are on loan from an unnamed professor upstate? Hmmm. That definitely would be interesting to try to work around no mentions at all.

  • http://bittersweetfountain.blogspot.com/ Bittersweet Fountain

    I doubt it, but dear lord would I love to see that! I <3 the Young Acengers, especially Wiccan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chelsea.miller Chelsea Miller

    Shhh we don’t talk about Ultimates.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chelsea.miller Chelsea Miller

    I’m pretty sure after Winter Solider comes out there isn’t going to be a Black Widow/Hawkeye storyline in the movies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chelsea.miller Chelsea Miller

    That’s great for you, but the rest of us want some more diversity on the team.

  • Kevin A-Z

    Scarlet Johansson is a babe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    Hawkeye/Wanda was creepy, and honestly, I’m hoping Clint/Natasha stays totally platonic. Way more interesting that way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    Hawkeye/Wanda was creepy, and honestly, I’m hoping Clint/Natasha stays totally platonic. Way more interesting that way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    Yeah, origin stories are kinda…look, who cares at this point. I just wanna see superheroes being super. (Or, in Clint’s case, unsuper and funtastic.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/laura.truxillo Laura Truxillo

    Yeah, origin stories are kinda…look, who cares at this point. I just wanna see superheroes being super. (Or, in Clint’s case, unsuper and funtastic.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/george.doukas.33 George Doukas

    Ant Man will likely have Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne as Ant Man/Goliath/Giant Man and the Wasp. We already know Ultron is the villain for that film and likely this is where the Vision will be introduced. I am guessing we will have some kind of cameo by Wanda and Pietro in Ant Man that will bring all five characters over to the Avengers 2 movie in the end. Wanda and the Vision were married after all and it stands to reason that all these characters would be lumped together in some way since they are essentially a (disfunctional) family! The question is will Simon Williams be showing up somewhere (if he doesn’t in Iron Man 3 of course), since the Vision we know as an Avenger is essentially the body created by Ultron with the mind template of Wonder Man. Like I said, ONE BIG happy dysfunctional family!

    Ant Man and the Wasp are the parents to Ultron who is the parent to the Vision who is husband of the Scarlet Witch which is the sister of Quicksilver who is the brother-in-law of the Vision who wouldn’t exist without a copy of Simon Williams aka WonderMan’s brain patterns. Did I leave anyone out there?

  • Amber Barnes

    On one hand: WANDA. SCARLET WITCH!

    On the other hand: She’s a walking reset button and is often made to go mad before an ensuing reboot. I’m scared of how this is gonna play out.

  • Amber Barnes

    Never underestimate the power of spite.

  • Anonymous

    “The Marvel Cinematic Universe” is generally used to refer to the continuity set up only by the movies developed by Marvel Entertainment (with the exception of The Incredible Hulk, which, IIRC received a last minute RDJ as Tony Stark cameo in order to tie it in before the first Iron Man movie came out).

  • Amber Barnes

    Amen. Black Widow has so many more interesting things about her than a potential make out session with Hawkeye.

  • Anonymous

    lol
    that’s true, but the thing is, we still don’t know if it was already a doombot, or if it was still Wanda that he “had tea” with that day. I’d like to believe it was a doombot, much better that way, but reason tells me it was probably Wanda, I doubt Doom would have waited a year to marry her if he knew she was around and helpless.

  • ACF

    At least not anything before the current ongoing series.

  • ACF

    I am happy about this announcement. There are characters I’d like more. There are probably better ways the characters could make it to the screen. But I love these two, and this is happening, and that makes me happy.

  • http://twitter.com/meliciousness Melynda

    This would be magnificent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Ilfariun Ryan Hamilton

    I believe Mahr Vell was briefly an Avenger, but he never said the brother-sister duo were joining the Avengers, just that they were going to be in the movie. I just want Carol in it so badly I could scream, so that’s the theory I have to go with.

  • http://nijireiki.livejournal.com genevievelopez

    I would lean towards their rights having been bought up by Fox, tbh; in X2, in the scene where Mystique swipes information off of Stryker’s computer, there’s a list of files he has on various X-Men-related subplots and on individual mutant characters, including the Maximoffs. Then again, I’m pretty sure they name-dropped Franklin Richards in there, too, so you never know (and the studio might not have really known, either, when it comes down to somewhat obscure nerd trivia like that).

  • http://nijireiki.livejournal.com genevievelopez

    I wouldn’t be against an original Human Torch (via CA)/Ultron (via Ant-Man)/The Vision story complete with romantic subplot somewhere down the road, so if it takes catfights and creepsex to get there, I may or may not be willing to employ Selective Fanon Memory to everyone’s backstory once it happens. That’s me, anyway.

  • http://nijireiki.livejournal.com genevievelopez

    …Good lord, if Fox had partial rights to the Skrulls all this time, what was with the weaksauce quad-powered Johnny Storm in Rise of the Silver Surfer? I mean, a good amount of that boils down to taste level and writing quality, but REALLY?? Wow.

  • http://nijireiki.livejournal.com genevievelopez

    X1-3 + X-Men Origins: Wolverine are in the same ‘verse as each other, and are Fox-owned, and therefore not part of the new MCU; the First Class ‘verse is also Fox, and not part of the MCU as of yet, BUT idk if Disney’s going to lean towards building up the MCU to parallel those stories, and/or if they’re going to utilize their animation rights to capitalize on them w. “unrelated” marketing franchises. I’m leaning towards the latter, tbh, because as far as movie rights go the preference tends to be “and never the twain shall meet,” but even in just manipulating the timing of cartoon/toy releases, you can easily cash in on other people’s work if it’s on the “same” property.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1208921 Nikki Lincoln

    If Disney owns Marvel, wouldn’t they just automatically get anything that hasn’t specifically been licensed out already?

  • John Wao

    Color me excited if it’s Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. I really can’t see who else it could be.

    Heck bring on Vision, Wasp, Ant-Man/Yellowjacket/Giantman/Goliath and Mantis.

  • http://twitter.com/TTHOOM Tim Terrell

    They might not even be mutants in the Avengers movie. They may get their powers some other way.

  • http://twitter.com/TTHOOM Tim Terrell

    They may not be mutants, and just get their powers some other way for the movies. Wanda’s powers are magic, which don’t have to be a “mutant” power.

  • http://twitter.com/TTHOOM Tim Terrell

    Fox Studios and Sony don’t have to bid against Disney for anything. They have X-Men lock stock and barrel. The movie rights aren’t up for grabs as long as they make movies.

  • http://twitter.com/TTHOOM Tim Terrell

    If you were a zoo that had the only living dinosaur in the world, and a rival zoo had King Kong would you sell the dinosaur to them, knowing that you’d make more money than they could ever offer you if you keep the dinosaur, and if you sell it to them, they will have King Kong and a Dinosaur, putting you out of business. Now you have a billion dollars, but they 1) beat you and are more successful than ever and 2) are making 500 times what they paid you. Disney will never be able to offer enough to justify Fox giving up a gold mine like the X-Men. Disney doesn’t have that much money compared to Fox. They are neck and neck. Not to mention the Fox exec that okays that deal will be fired and never work again.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    actually while they do have a number of mutants the term Mutant itself is generic to the point that they do not own that. if so the Mutant Chronicles would have been sued for that very reason, among other movies that have displayed mutants.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    one of a number of ways to handle it… the easiest way is to borrow from the Earth X universe and use the Celestials. Those who are changed have a seed placed in them from back when the Celestials altered humanity.

    ie the reason why Captain America was able to handle the Super soldier serum? the Celestial seed

    Why did Bruce Banner become the Hulk instead of dying?

    the Celestial seed.

    then the mutants Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch become much the same. It also helps that the Avengers do seem to be going cosmic.

    using this the two would have unique origins both consistent with an already existing universe.

    In fact i Would argue that they have already borrowed as much from the Earth X universe as they did from the Ultimates. In fact the Earth X is the only other universe where Thor is presented as an Alien not a deity. (he’s a deity in both the 616 universe, the Ultimates -although he lost his powers he’ll get them again i imagine- the cartoon one.

    so it’s not a stretch.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    in the ultimates universe mutants are all super soldiers created by the government.

    plus they’ve already borrowed too much from that universe, and altered it. The ultimates were formed after Magneto attacked Washington DC in the Ultimates universe.. and their first opponant was a Cannibal Hulk.

    Nothing of value from those stories.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    should i point out one key thing that people seem to be overlooking?

    “I’ve got these two characters, you know, I’ve got these two of my favorite characters from the comic books, a brother/sister act” -Whedon

    “at no point does joss say that this Brother Sister act.. are Avengers. They’re in the movie”

    y’all jump the gun in reading something that may or may not be there, and this is why y’all are so easy to manipulate with rumors.

    taking from exactly what he said there are a number of brother sister acts that could be used. three of which are Avengers. Something else the writer overlooked by looking at perhaps the most visible of the brother/sister combos.

    1. Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch: yes Avengers and easily the most recognizable but not the only ones.

    2. Invisible Woman/Human Torch. am i the only one who remembers that all of the Fantastic Four members (at least in the 616 universe).are all Avengers as well? Reserve Avengers are still Avengers. maybe a tie in with the Fantastic Four reboot.. maybe not. still it works..

    3. Vision and Jocasta.. the lesser known one probably since well they were both created by Ultron. Their father if you will who was created by Ant Man, his father. This makes the two brother and sister to a degree.

    but it’s not limited to this. the key word people also have overlooked is the fact that Whedon doesn’t say they’ll become Avengers.. only they’ll be in the movie.

    so it’s entirely possible that the brother sister act are not Avengers and won’t become Avengers. I just listed the three that were Avengers or Reserve Avengers in the 616 universe. There are a number out there. but these are the three with close ties to the Avengers.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    despite the fact that the Scarlet Witch spent her entire career (after leaving the brotherhood) with the Avengers.. not the X-men… and Quicksilver has more in common with the Fantastic Four and the Inhumans (he married Cyrstal and had a daugther with her) as well as the Avengers than he ever did with the X-Men.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    more complicated than that given neither the Scarlet Witch nor Quicksilver are X-men. in fact the Scarlet Witch has never been an X-men at any point. Only Quicksilver has been on an X-Team.. X-factor.

    now here comes the problem. does Fox own them because they are mutants? this is too generic there are a number of mutant Avengers who have had nothing to do with the x-family.

    do suggest that they own the two because they first appeared in a X-men comic? while this is true Fox would be insane to try this argument. One small detail. Wolverine appeared in an Incredible Hulk comic. if they argued this then with one fell swoop the Marvel Cinematic universe now owns Wolverine. they also would lose Rogue who first appeared in an Avengers comic. should i go on?

    which means likely they only own the mutants they specifically listed. that appears to be the only logical way. the other two ways don’t help them at all. so if they aren’t specifically listed i would guess Fox does not own them.

  • http://twitter.com/Sinjun45 Sinjun

    forgot about those two.. both have strong ties to the Avengers through Captain Marvel and they could use the help if Thanos is around.

    it would make sense with the Guardians of the Galaxy.