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Open Thread: Arrow – Heir to the Demon


Another DC Comics woman joined the cast of Arrow last night. And oh boy did she cause some havoc. 

  • Apparently Nyssa al Ghul’s fake names are so know they set off A.R.G.U.S. alarms at the airport. Good going, League of SHADOWS.
  • Dinah Lance, aka Momma Canary, returns to visit Laurel in the hospital but Laurel only tells Quentin about seeing Sara.
  • HEY! Sara is doing the thing! The crazy Oliver pull-up thing! What a nice change of pace for the workout porn.
  • These family flashbacks are ok and all but I can’t stop being weirded out by Alex Kingston’s American accent.
  • Nothing like a quick makeout session after a dramatic aerial silk entrance. Also, yah! for confirmation on last week’s teaser.
  • Apparently all British people are really bad liars. This according to Felicity.
  • So Felicity figured out the whole Thea thing, and that Moira paid off the gyno mentioned last week but Moira thinks Felicity is in love with Oliver and won’t tell him. Ha!
  • They really need to decide on how they’re going to pronounce Ra’s. Also, when Sara should actually just keep her stupid blonder Canary wig on.
  • Laurel was poisoned by Nyssa, who also kidnapped Sara’s mom. Maybe not the best way to try and win an old lover back? Just sayin’.
  • Vigilante Club.
  • Felicity’s reveal of her father abandoned her family. This leaves the door WIDE open for her dad to be a major DC character. Here’s hoping it’s not like, Sportsmaster.
  • Quentin about to tell Laurel about Sara had me convince Sara was gonna die. Relieved she’ll be around a bit longer.
  • Poor Laurel getting the mind fuck of a lifetime after finding out Sara is actually alive. And good on her for being pissed about it.
  • Oliver cutting off Moira should prove for some very tense acting.
  • Oliver and Sara decide to team up! But first! Sex!

Really enjoyed this episode and it was nice to have a break from the island flashbacks. What did you think?

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  • Astaria

    I thought it was a really intense episode. I frequently crochet or do other crafts while watching TV shows but I stopped completely to focus on this episode last night.

    I was never really fond of Laurel to begin with and this slow decent into alcoholism is not really helping her case with me. I liked Tommy’s anger more then I like Laurel’s.

    I do think Oliver is overreacting big time about Thea. My SO suggested that that was just his emotions talking and that he wasn’t really using his head. I really like Moira, I wish they’d stop giving her such a hard time.

  • kbroxmysox

    A bit bothered that the writers are REFUSING to label Sarah as a bisexual. Meaning that this relationship is a one time thing and mostly used for shock value.

  • kbroxmysox

    A bit bothered that the writers are REFUSING to label Sarah as a bisexual. Meaning that this relationship is a one time thing and mostly used for shock value.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Also, seriously, WHY NOT JUST TELL THEA?

  • TheChief

    Sportsmasters, I could never take the guy seriously. Now if he is closer to the Young Justice version and brings Chesire along with him. I might be alright with that, haha. But seriously, I liked the episode. I’m pretty excited with the direction the show is going.

    As for Laurel, I had been pretty tough on her recently. But her rage at the end made more sympathetic towards her.

  • Anonymous

    I was not expecting Nyssa to be lesbian so I was pleasantly surprised on that front.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t understand what the show is trying to do with Laurel. It’s pretty obvious the character is supposed to have some major ark if she’s to become Black Canary eventually but does she have to be this unlikable for that long? And the show is playing the “communication problems” card way too often. You just found out that the sister you thought was dead is actually alive, the very least you could do is to listen to her and learn what happen before you lash out at her. Sara almost died and was stuck on an island, that more than makes up for whatever sin she committed!

  • http://bayareageekguide.com/ Mike Chen

    “These family flashbacks are ok and all but I can’t stop being weirded out by Alex Kingston’s American accent.”
    I’m more weirded out by Alex Kingston’s straight hair. Or as River Song would say, “The hair! It just doesn’t stop, does it?”

  • Astaria

    For manufactured drama of course!

  • Mark Matson

    I’d feel much more confident if they said Sarah doesn’t think of herself as bisexual, which to me would make a lot of sense given the backstory. But that description would imply the writers have their head on straight. As it is, it seems the writers think that “bisexual” means “salacious”.

  • Anonymous

    I thought it a strong episode. I do think that to avoid the salaciousness of the relationship with Nyssa the show should have Sarah articulate her desires. Even if Nyssa was a fling and she’s not sure what it means, we need to SEE her indecisiveness so it doesn’t feel cheap.

  • TheChief

    Laurel has had a lot of trouble recently as we have seen. She either needs to take responsibility for her life or find someone else to blame and play the victim. We saw that she chose the latter. There was some truth to what she said about Sarah, but a lot of it was just playing the victim. My hope is that she is at the bottom and will begin to finally progress out of her current state and become a stronger character for it.

  • Mehmed Celebi

    I really don’t get Ollie’s reasoning here. “Oh noes, my mother didn’t tell me the secret about my sisters true parentage. For that betrayl I will shun and despise her. Meanwhile, I’ll use my new knowledge…. to withhold it from Thea just like my mother did, for the exact same reasons, thus pretty much saying that she actually did the right thing.” Uhm, yay?
    Also, worst parent endorsment speech ever. Then again, in this show there seems to be a pattern of large crowds giving applause when Ollie holds short and rather meaningless speeches.
    Anyhow, persoanlly I would LOVE for Felicities dad to be Young Justice’s sportmaster, unlikely as it is. That way, they could brign Artemis into the Show (and make up for the shameful Treatment she experienced in the new52. Also, Felicity could tell Ollie “And you thought your Family had issues.”

  • Mehmed Celebi

    Because sadly, this ain’t no Sleepy Hollow XD

  • DonnaBrazileRocks

    I’m kind of excited that Sara seems like she’ll be an active Team Arrow member for the foreseeable? At least until the Birds of Prey episode? If she remains a fixture into Season 3, I’d love to see some Nanda Parbat flashbacks.

  • http://blahblahblahyackitysmackity.blogspot.com/ DAVID WALSTON

    That was my reaction!
    Her hair bothers me!

  • Matias Furia

    Loved the episode. I loved the previous one too, even a little bit more, but this was one of the “shit goes down” episodes of the season and it was all good. I especially loved Moira and Felicity, and I like seeing Walter again, even if it’s just a bit.

    I also liked the pull up thing. It made me notice the series has really little male gaze.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve noticed this complaint a couple times on different shows.

    I’m not sure when Sarah would actually announce to anyone that she was bi. I don’t exactly announce my sexual orientation unless someone confronts me about it.

  • Matias Furia

    I thought Laurel was mostly right. Now, an ideal person would just forgive her and be happy to have her sister again. But people are messy

    Sara obviously had good reasons for not coming back inmidiatly, but it all started when she got into the boat with Oliver, and even tough she didn’t deserve to suffer so much, that was still wrong. And Laurel has every right to be angry about that. And that anger makes it impossible for her to imagine what Sara went through. I found her reaction to be only natural, and the requiered set up for major character growth.

  • Matias Furia

    It was good that everyone just to took it naturally and didn’t think twice about it.

  • spartantown

    Producers have said they’re not going to label her as I suspect the character wouldn’t. They’re going to leave it to the audience to place any label. Sara will just be Sara. There wasn’t much shock to it and it wasn’t salacious. A relationship born from her circumstances. Is she bi? Apparently, but it doesn’t define her and shouldn’t.

  • MeatyStakes

    There’s also the thing with her brain and psychology being fucked up, so I really didn’t saw Laurel for a moment taking Sara’s return as a good thing.

    Compare it with the beginning of the episode, when she was actually happy to have “hallucinated” Sara. Laurel is so screwed up mentally that she prefers fantasy over reality.

    That kinda makes me think she could try to harm herself: The last time she was happy was with Tommy, and we know where he is…

  • Anonymous

    The first time I saw her and Laurel was like “Mom?” I went… “but I thought Alex Kingston was supposed to be her mother…. HOLY CRAP THAT IS ALEX KINGSTON”. The hair and the accent. I just can’t even….

  • MeatyStakes

    I wonder how far away Laurel is from actual clinical depression at this point. I see Quentin harping on to try to get her out of her addiction, but I really think someone should be trying to focus on her mental health, the most likely culprit of her descent to shit-hole town.

  • http://bayareageekguide.com/ Mike Chen

    If I found out John Barrowman was my dad, I wouldn’t be too upset.

  • spartantown

    A great episode. The show doesn’t leave the family drama hanging. It finds a resolution that either brings closure or propels the story forward. It’s a comic book show with action but also respects its characters enough to have them express feelings, doubts, hard truths, etc. Nyssa and Sara was a delicate situation especially when it involves Ra’s family. (and mispronunciation of his name should continue just like real life)

    Felicity stepping up to confront Moira was new and a strong move by her. You see the character growing and so much more to see about her in the future. Laurel was pissed and im glad she was. i think the writers have a major reveal concerning Laurel in the weeks to come. she’s not going down this road for nothing.

  • SCP3

    “What a nice change of pace for the workout porn.”

    And how! It seemed like they shot it from a different angle than they usually do and it left her face obscured, though (they seem to spend more time and at a better angle when Oliver does it). Sara looked fit enough to do it, but I’m given to understand that it’s very difficult, so was there a body double involved?

    BTW, does anyone else think Sara’s chin looks a bit odd? She has a cleft chin, but it looks raised up and then cleft, so that it almost looks like a prosthetic. I have a cleft chin and I know other people who do, but I’ve never seen one like that.

    “And good on [Laurel] for being pissed about it.”

    Agreed. She finds out her “about to move in with” boyfriend was cheating on her with her sister, but wasn’t allowed to be pissed about it because Sara was dead, and then saw that death break up her family. So she’s got pissed that been simmering for 6 years, and throw in the realization that Sara could have prevented the family breakup with one call? I’m kind of surprised Laurel didn’t kill Sara herself (now THAT would be a twist).

    Forget Sportsmaster. Ambush Bug!

    And count me in as not missing the island flashback.

  • Kryptoknight

    I was honestly pretty disappointed with this episode. I had no problem with Nyssa or Sara’s sexuality in and of itself but I do take issue with their relationship being the driving force of the episode. They took a possibly very interesting and badass character and made her seem like a clingy, jealous, crazy, ex-girlfriend. When the episode was over I was actually sad that this is how we were intoduced to Nyssa, daughter of the demon. I wanted something bigger. Instead I got DRAMA. On every freaking front. Drama with Ollie and Sara, Drama with the Lances, Drama with the Queens, even Felicity had to join in on the Drama with her broken family stuff. Some of this drama might have been OK had it been split up and addressed in multiple episodes, but cramming it all in here just felt like too much.
    It was nice to see Sara doing Ollie’s workout, yet another way to see her proving Black Canary is every bit The Arrow’s equal. (I still hate that name, why oh why can’t he just be Green Arrow?) Though I think this episode actually undermines her strength a bit with her chosen rescue method. I get the whole drinking the poison thing is supposed to prove her conviction to Nyssa but I would have rather seen her swoop in, save her mom, and hand Nyssa her ass for acting like such an idiot.
    Ollie’s dismissal of his mother grated with me, not because I don’t think she deserves it (I do think she deserves it, she’s not the best person.) but rather because he then turns around and decides to keep the same secret he’s shunning her for! Gah! Just freaking tell Thea and cut your ties with Moira completely, public and private!
    Laurel’s character at this point, for me, has just been ruined. She doesn’t interest me anymore and it’s the fault of sloppy writing.

  • Kryptoknight

    I didn’t even notice the hair, the accent does throw me a bit. Personally I found the flashbacks in this episode competely unnecessary and would have preferred they kept the whole thing in the present. All the flashback did was re-inforce something they already established, Laurel and Sara had issues. LOTS of issues. I was kind of annoyed because I got that particular little memo a long time ago.

  • J.P.

    The best part was that Sara apparently had an Android smartphone in 2007.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    This. That last scene actually eroded what little bit of sympathy I had left for Laurel to the point I am now actively rooting for her to become an outright villain or have a redemption-driven death.

    Ollie + Sara 4-EVAH!

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    See, it made me lose what little sympathy I had left for Laurel. Which is amazing because I thought I’d lost all possible sympathy for her after last week.

    Laurel didn’t know thing one about what Sara had been through over the past six years and immediately went “Marsha Marsha Marsha” over how Sara being selfish destroyed her life. Hell, at this point she doesn’t even know that her dad knew that Sara was alive and hid that info from her and her mom because he respected Sara’s reasons for not contacting them and staying in the shadows. This is because Quentin is a responsible adult who trusts his daughters to make good decisions most of the time… which proved to be a real big mistake in relation to Laurel, but I digress.

    Point is – Laurel just immediately launched a pity party, not thinking for a moment that maybe Sara was being held captive somewhere for six years and COULDN’T contact them.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    I think the reasoning was more “we don’t see the need to make a big deal about this” than “we’re afraid that the minute we say ‘bisexual’ it will piss people off.”

  • Anonymous

    Nyssa’s a BAMF! And she does stand-up too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHneO22qZLY
    Caity Lotz worked that salmon ladder like a beast. You can grind diamonds on her abs!
    I didn’t expect Nyssa to be sad about Sara’s suicide since she could just toss her in a Lazarus Pit.
    Laurel is right in a way that Sara stole her life. Sara is the character Dinah Lance should’ve been from day one. If they fridge Sara to make Laurel the new Black Canary I will riot.
    I still think the citizens of Starling should elect Brother Blood so they can brag about how they put a bona fide supervillain into office instead of another white collar criminal.
    Who else would like a Nyssa & Black Canary 2-pack to go with DCC’s Arrow & Deathstroke set due in April?

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    She could be bisexual like Sara.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Merlyn’s resurrection aside, we don’t have any proof Lazarus Pits exist in the reality of Arrow. And there’s other ways Merlyn could have come back besides Lazarus Pits. Assuming they got his body back to Nanda Parbat, there’s a chance the magic of that place could have healed his wounds since nobody there dies… at least in some stories.

    My long shot guess? Deadman has been riding around in Merlyn’s body for the past few months as a laugh. ;)

    And yes – I’d love to have a Black Canary figure modeled on Caity Lotz.

  • Mark Matson

    I’ve read that Ollie soon realizes he is more like his mother than he previously thought, so him keeping the same secret is actually pretty good characterization, not just for drama.

  • TheChief

    I can see your point. I think my sympathy really stems from realizing just how mentally unstable she is currently. She needs help badly. But I can see why you think differently.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Loved this episode. Just loved it. In no particular order.

    * Felicity stands up to Moira and tries to get her to tell her family the truth about Thea’s parentage.

    * Moira shows some of the iron that we saw back in Season One.

    * I love how Ollie has slowly become more emphatic as the Season has progressed. He notices immediately that something is up with Felicity and – in the middle of this big press conference – still takes the time to find out what is going on. He also calls Sara out on her avoiding the issues with her family.

    * All the action scenes were awesome, but the bit with Ollie and Sara on the bike chasing after Nyssa’s van? Right out of the comics… though it really should have been Canary driving instead of Arrow. I don’t care if it is his bike – Black Canary on a motorcycle is an iconic image.

    * Sara’s screaming as Nyssa’s van gets away. i SO wanted for her to suddenly manifest the Canary Cry…

    * Cheesy as it was, I did like Sebastian’s line about “Blood is thicker than politics.”

    * Quentin’s acceptance of Sara’s past relationship and Paul Blackthorne’s excellent non-verbal acting showing that he’s kinda weirded out by the whole situation but reasoning that after finding out your daughter spent five years being trained as an assassin by an international cabal of terrorists, finding out she also had a girlfriend is cake to accept.

    The one thing I didn’t like? Laurel’s final speech and how passive her parents are as she starts tearing into Sara for ruining their lives. Granting that there’s some justifiable resentment (i.e. running off with my boyfriend), the fact is Laurel has no idea what Sara has been doing the last few years except that it involved someone trying to kill their family and she doesn’t care to find out because that might mean Laurel would have to take some responsibility for her own actions over the past year.

    The flashbacks made Laurel look like even more of a brat. She’s busy talking about how she’s planned out her whole life with Ollie, with no indication that she’s ever discussed any of her plans for “live together for a year – get engaged for a year – get married” with Ollie, who – by all accounts – was unhappy with the relationship.

    Further comments can be found on my Episode Guide for Arrow. – http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com/2014/02/arrow-episode-guide-season-2-episode-13.html

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Oh, I have sympathy for the mentally unstable. I’m depressive myself and work with a lot of at-risk teens in my day job. But Laurel is acting more like a spoiled princess than a mentally ill woman, in my estimation.

    The fact is she’s looking for anyone to blame but herself for everything bad in her life (If The Hood killed Tommy, then I don’t need to feel guilty about him dying while saving me, If Sara is alive then it’s her fault mom and dad broke up…) and she’s slapped away every hand that has been offered to her. By Ollie. By her boss. By her own father, who she stole from to fuel her habit.

  • Anonymous

    This all make sense but I find it unrealistic that she would have that reaction immediately. Finding out someone you loved you thought was dead is a really powerful event that would make all of her troubles seem small in comparison. I was expecting her to get over the hump. Really, what’s losing your job when you get your dead sister back?

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    I think Ollie’s reasoning was less about this specific lie and more about the fact that it’s another damn lie on top of the mountain of lies that Moira has thrown at him since his return. Particularly since Moira said that she was done hiding things from him and Thea the after her trial revealed that she’d had an affair with Malcolm Merlyn while condemning her husband for cheating on her to Ollie (and we still don’t know if that’s true or not…) In short, this lie was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    As for why Ollie is keeping the secret, I think it’s because Ollie remembered how hard Thea took it when it turned out their mom had hidden the fact that she was involved in a plot to murder thousands. Now imagine that – on top of finding out that your mom is still lying to you after promising not to do that anymore – that your dad isn’t really your dad and – oh guess what – your real dad is the mass-murdering psycho your mom was working with to kill thousands, including your boyfriend? And consider what Ollie knows about Thea’s life before she cleaned herself up and took over running his club. You could make a fair case that pulling the ground out from under Thea could cause her to hit the drugs and the booze again.

    Hell, given how Laurel – long held up as the most stable person he knew – has collapsed, you can see how Ollie might be scared of messing up Thea’s life all over again. So while he indirectly agrees with Moira’s actions, he’s coming at it from a completely different place. Moira is concerned with mitigating a scandal and her children’s opinion of her, in that order. Ollie only cares about keeping Thea safe and happy.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    As I said above, I think Ollie is keeping the secret for different motivations. Moira doesn’t want her kids hating her for just reasons whereas Ollie doesn’t want Thea to get hurt again (remember how she took the news of her mom being involved with Merlyn in The Undertaking?).

  • http://cainslatrani.blogspot.com/ Cain S. Latrani

    So…

    We’re all ready for a Nyssa spin off now, right?

    Love Arrow and all, but Nyssa spin off now, please. Thank you.

  • Kryptoknight

    Except, now if it comes to light and she finds out that everyone knew except her it will be that much worse. It wouldn’t just be her mother keeping the secret, but her brother as well. The only family she has left. It may be just the thing to turn her away from Ollie and Moira completely. It just feels like wrong move for Ollie to be making if he wants to avoid hurting Thea, not to mention hypocritical.

  • Ellestra

    Both Lance parents are secrets Brits – Paul Blackthorne who plays Quentin Lance is also British – so I wonder if they sometimes forget themselves and revert to their normal accents. Especially after talking to Colin Salmon during breaks. Maybe we’ll see something in gag reel.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Which is another reason why Ollie is going to town on the training dummy. He knows he’s not any better than his mom morally (even ignoring his keeping this secret, there’s still the whole matter of him being a secret vigilante, knowing what the hell is going on with her boyfriend but not telling her, etc…) and he’s a total hypocrite given his own secrets… but is at a loss as to how to deal with all of this.

  • Anonymous

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if they’re both revealed to be British spies in a later episode?

  • Anonymous

    I actually find Laurel more interesting as a character the less likable she becomes.

  • J Ritchey

    I don’t know that it’s that unrealistic when you consider Laurel’s frame of mind recently. She’s thoroughly out of balance and primed to view everything in the most negative way possible. Between that and the baggage between them it makes sense, even if it doesn’t reflect well on her.

  • Anonymous

    Fingers crossed for Ambush Bug.

  • Anonymous

    Got brought up a few episodes ago, but I’m definitely tired of “everybody loves Ollie.” I mean, can’t the dude have, like, a friend?

  • Anonymous

    I was so hoping Sara would ask Nyssa to stay (regardless of what Nyssa would have done with that offer).

  • J Ritchey

    During the bike sequence I kept waiting for them to somehow switch places so he could snipe at the van.

  • J Ritchey

    If they doubled her, they got a good one. The very last rep (incidentally, the only one where you can see the movement successfully complete) there’s a fairly clear angle on her face just before she drops. I can’t tell for certain if it’s her or not. It occurs to me she has very similar facial structure to Luci Romberg, who is affiliated with the gym Amell trained PK at before he started on the show; so I’m really curious.

  • J Ritchey

    I think they underestimate her. I think where she is now, she could handle it (with a fair bit of shock at first), but that not-so-long ago she wouldn’t have. They haven’t really grasped just how much she’s grown so they try to protect her unnecessarily. It’s a mistake on their part, but one that fits the characters involved in context. At least that’s how I interpret it.

  • J Ritchey

    In my case, I would be pissed that his looks clearly skipped a generation; though that would be less of an issue with Thea.

  • J Ritchey

    I’m curious how they’ll play Oliver’s “reaction” to Sara’s return.

  • Mark Brown

    With these writers, I think we can assume Lazarus pits.

  • Adrian

    Description for the next episode …

    ROBERT KNEPPER AND ALEX KINGSTON GUEST STAR — Oliver (Stephen Amell) brings Sara (Caity Lotz) into the Arrow team. Watching Oliver and Diggle (David Ramsey) spar with Sara and talk old scars, Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) starts to feel left out. The team is investigating a villain named William Tockman, a.k.a. The Clock King (guest star Robert Knepper), who is a brilliant thief armed with technology that can open any bank vault in Starling City. After The Clock King infiltrates the computer systems in the lair, Felicity feels pressure to prove her worth. When she gets a lead on Tockman’s whereabouts, she heads out without the team, putting her in peril. Meanwhile, Oliver throws Sara a welcome home party, but Laurel (Katie Cassidy) refuses to attend. After Lance (Paul Blackthrone) makes his case for a family dinner, Laurel acquiesces, but when Oliver shows up with Sara, she loses her temper on both of them. Nick Copus directed the episode written by Wendy Mericle & Beth Schwartz (#214).

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    I doubt that’s the case for Merlyn, on account of him apparently being on Ra’s hit list for The Undertaking, if what Moira said can be believed.

    Which begs the question of how he DID come back if it wasn’t because of Ra’s chucking him in a pit…

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Well, Ollie’s already a bit of a hypocrite – condemning his mother for keeping secrets from the family and lying for the sake of “protecting them” when… what is he doing at night again?

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    That’s what Diggle is for. :)

  • Engler Pascal

    Ah good, i’m not the only one who noticed that. ;)
    Maybe tech in the arrow verse developed a bit faster.

  • Penny Marie Sautereau

    “HEY! Sara is doing the thing! The crazy Oliver pull-up thing! What a nice change of pace for the workout porn.”

    DAMMIT! Must’ve missed that while I was in the loo.

    “Apparently all British people are really bad liars. This according to Felicity.”

    Well to be fair the Doctor only SOUNDS British.

    “These family flashbacks are ok and all but I can’t stop being weirded out by Alex Kingston’s American accent.”

    River Song has to disguise herself SOMEHOW!

    “So Felicity figured out the whole Thea thing, and that Moira paid off
    the gyno mentioned last week but Moira thinks Felicity is in love with
    Oliver and won’t tell him. Ha!”

    Felicity is awesome now, but when people finally stop underestimating her the gloves are off.

    “Oliver cutting off Moira should prove for some very tense acting.”

    Because Ollie has NEVER lied to his mom EVER right?

  • J Ritchey

    I was assuming it was some sort of extreme yogic body-function control. He put himself in a self-imposed meditative stasis either until an accomplice could get him to a well paid and discrete surgeon or until his body could heal itself.

  • Mark Brown

    Being related to Ambush Bug would explain so much of Felicity.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Id rather see a Birds of Prey spinoff with Nyssa as a regular who keeps weaving in and out of Canary’s life :3

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    In comic books it is pretty common for people to fall off cliffs or be impaled by a building or to be shot dozens of times and come back a few issues later without an explanation. So I wouldn’t be entirly surprised if this is put alongside Deadshots revival as a mystery for the ages.

  • The Cat Bastet

    I think Ivo will turn out to be her father. Everything fits.

    And I strongly suspect Laurel is going to be mirakuru’d, with her rage spiral serving to make the transformation successful.

    She’s way more entertaining when she’s being actively awful. Now that they’re not asking me to like her, I’m starting to like her.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    That works too.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Actually, they did explain Deadshot’s revival in the Arrow comic.

    http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Floyd_Lawton

    Short version is his eye-piece slowed the arrow enough that while it took out his eye, it didn’t pierce his brain.

  • Nikki Lincoln

    The Thing is a Salmon Ladder and they show it a lot in the Ninja Warrior / American Ninja Warrior and it is super difficult. It’s basically a much harder pullup because on the up you have to give enough effort to jump the bar to the next rung. Even though a female has never made it that far in the competition, they have shown them training for it so, like a pullup, it’s totally possible if they give a lot of effort to it.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently Caity did the first two rungs of the salmon ladder and then her stunt double Atlin Mitchell did the last 8 rungs.

  • Anonymous

    There was a deleted scene where Roy gets beat down by Nyssa while guarding Laurel’s hospital room: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/06/arrow-producers-discuss-the-nyssa-al-ghul-and-black-canary-relationship-and-whats-to-come

  • Anonymous

    Does the CW’s website let you stream episodes in Canada? Otherwise here’s a screencap to tide you over: http://img2.tvtome.com/i/u/b8adc7950ba3434fc34a67e858491a70.png

  • Penny Marie Sautereau

    Fank Yew.

  • BatiHoney

    Am I the only one who ships Nyssa and Sara? Granted, Nyssa had a really unhealthy way of trying to get her back, but at the end she released her and the fact her feelings are true and all… CAN WE JUST GET MORE NYSSA????

    I also like Moira SO SO SO MUCH and I am so upset about Oliver cutting her off because he had a right to be mad at her, but CUTTING HER OFF?? He even called her a monsters when all she did was not tell them that Thea’s real father is Malcolm, and hey, CONSIDERING WHO MALCOLM IS, ISN’T IT UNDERSTANDABLE? Besides, Oliver should know that for all purposes, Robert was Thea’s father. So I think he overdid it BIG TIME. So unfair for her :(

    I think Felicity confronting Moira about thatt was also a bit too much. I mean, I know Felicity was looking out for Oliver, but during that scene I did really feel it was not of his business…? They’re making such a big negative deal of Moira hiding this fact, ugh… I liked that we got to know more about Felicity, though.

    I love BlackArrow in the comics but I don’t understand OliverxSara at this point. After all the shit they went through and the bad things they did by being together, and all those years and all those women Oliver supposedly fell in love with, they still like each other and are now apparently together??? I don’t know, man… so glad Sara didn’t die, though, because I like her a lot.

    Also, what happened to Isabel Rochev??? She kind of disappeared after that episode where she slept with Oliver mmm…

    P.D.: I miss Diggle doing more in those episodes. We barely see him anymore.
    P.D2: I understand the way Laurel is being written right now but damn she’s so unlikable every episode now. She won’t change until she accepts she needs help, will that happen anytime soon?

  • J Ritchey

    Actually, I think it may have been facial recognition that set the alarm off, rather than the name.

  • Sara Glassman

    I liked everything up until the last commercial break.
    Oliver confronts Moira because… he’s taking a stand for honesty? He’s outraged that she had a baby from her affair? I don’t really understand where the blistering outrage is coming from. Also, Thea is a big girl. Why doesn’t everyone let her have her own reactions to things rather than deciding what is going to damage her.
    There’s also a taint of slut shaming to this whole thing to me. Robert screwed around all the time. Moria had one affair, had a child who she raised in a loving environment and now she’s a monster? Oliver stood by her during the Undertaking fallout, but this is the straw that broke the camel’s back? I’m confused.
    Laurel reacts to Sara being alive with outrage and alcohol! Laurel is quickly turning into a character I hate to see coming on screen.
    The Oliver/Sara romance is ok as long as we don’t drag in a Felicity love triangle thing and twist the knife over and over.

    Things I liked – Nyssa, while not having the best ideas about romance and reconnecting with an old flame was pretty great. (although, why did no one report on the crazy lady who killed half the TSA?)
    I really liked that Detective Lance finally got to be, if not right, at least on the right side of something with Sara’s big bisexual reveal.
    I REALLY loved that Oliver didn’t make a dumbass comment about Sara and Nyssa being together.
    I also loved that Sara can do the salmon ladder too. It’s far enough into both the show and the intro o Sara’s character that it comes across as, “nope, she’s just as badass as Oliver”, rather than “look at the hot chick doing sexy things”.
    While Felicity’s timing was odd, I really liked that she was strong enough to do what she felt was the right thing and tell Oliver about Malcolm and Thea.

  • http://cainslatrani.blogspot.com/ Cain S. Latrani

    I would not complain about that, either.

  • http://cainslatrani.blogspot.com/ Cain S. Latrani

    Yeah, even more so after that last scene.

    Nothing against Ollie, but c’mon! Nyssa made him look kinda lame.

  • Melissa Bramble

    Just started catching up on this now, and can I just say? Nyssa’s hat in the airport is NO Joan Watson’s hat.

  • Anonymous

    Adding my agreement to this thread of responses that feel/think Laurel’s response to Sara went the right way, or at least made messy human response sense. Laurel is messed up in a bad way right now, and things with Sara were left with so many emotions unsaid and unresolved. Now, here Sara is, right in front of her. I am certain many emotions were flooding her, and it just happened these emotions were the ones that bubbled out first given her mental space, self-medicating/boozing, constant kidnapping victimization trauma, etc.

    Would the best path been that the two sisters reconnect joyfully, sit down with tea, and have a long and serious talk about all they’ve been through, air grievances, and support each other working through their emotional and mental traumas? Sure… but this is generated drama for tv consumption. There could have been better ways to write it, I’m certain, but I thought the scene was probably one of the best parts of the episode. And for Laurel’s character this season.

    Also, good for pointing out that they SHOW Laurel being happy about hallucinating Sara. So it’s not like Laurel’s ragemode only when thinking of Sara. It was good establishing that part so this later bit, where Laurel’s angry and lashing out, contrasts with it. If it were purely the latter scene without the former, it’d make it a very different reflection of the character.

  • Anonymous

    A friend that happens to be a woman and it’s totally platonic. I’d love for that to happen.

  • Anonymous

    Nooo, I am totally on board the Nyssa/Sara ship. I want it more than any other relationship pairing on this show.

  • Anonymous

    I too would have loved to see Sara swoop in to save her mother, school Nyssa, and take a stand on her own. Or if she chose poison and they stick with it, I’d rather have seen her die by that choice (and then Nyssa tirades and kills the parents as she was wont to do before Arrow shows up). Because it’d at least be giving the Canary/Sara character her own agency and choices and consequences, delivering them herself and not having them undermined or stolen by someone else.

    But, you know, this show is called ‘Arrow’ and they make it pretty clear that Arrow/Ollie needs to save everyone and solve everyone else’s problems. Even if that means giving up really good character development progress and plot points for the supporting cast, who should be treated with their own plots and growth and obstacles to overcome on their own outside of Arrow/Ollie’s involvement.

  • Anonymous

    One other thing I did not like about this ending was Sara and Ollie hooking up at the end. I’d have liked it much more if Sara and Ollie were just bonded in their darkness, their experiences, the island, and their vigilante-ism. As friends now. Like worn-through war buddies. Their life, and feelings, long left behind on that boat before it crashed.

  • Holly DY

    I have to admit that the character writing and particularly the female ones is excellent on this show. Which is great for a ‘comic book’ programme.

    I totally understood Laurel’s reaction. It felt real if messed up but again laurel is a very independent person who everyone else relies on so she shouldered the pain of her parents divorce so it is reasonable that she feels that she is alone and Sara just brings more trouble. it felt very elder siblingingy.

    I think Oliver can reject Moira because he asked her point blank if there was anything else he need to know she lied about it. So he can reject her but yes Thea should be told. She will be upset but yes can deal.

    I liked that Felicity proved that you should not not keep a secret to protect someone. It is the lamest trop in the book and I glad they don’t do the obvious on this show.