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Open Thread: Arrow – Blast Radius


When last we left Oliver Queen, things took a fantastic comic book turn. Definitely-not-any-shade-of-green Arrow made its mid-season return last night on The CW, let’s see how it went… 

We’re trying out something new here at The Mary Sue. If you don’t watch Syfy’s Being Human, you might have missed this post where we explained it. Basically, we’d like this to be a place where fans can discuss the episodes of their favorite series in full detail, without worrying about spoiling anyone. Share your likes, your dislikes, GIF reactions…anything! And we’re still trying to come up with a name if you have any thoughts on the matter.

I would give talking points like I did for the Being Human premiere but I actually didn’t get to watch last night because I’m sick and doing anything but laying down while on Nyquil is a bad idea. But I’ll give it a shot:

  • Oliver and Felicity’s serious discussions.
  • Oliver and Laurel’s concerned discussions.
  • Oliver and Diggle’s serious and concerned discussions about Felicity, Laurel, and The City.
  • Flashbacks.
  • Justice.

How’d I do?

Anyway, talk amongst yourselves. I’ll probably watch tonight and hop into the comments tomorrow.

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  • TheChief

    I am really hoping they are not going down the Felicity-Olly romance path. I was hoping for a great opposite sex friendship between them. Not all opposite sex relationship have to be romantic.

    As for the rest, I liked it. Seeing Slade develop into Deathstroke is great.

  • Anonymous

    I, too, am hoping this is a turnaround for Laurel. She’s been the weak spot on an otherwise excellent season.

    Too bad about the villain-of-the-week. Would have loved to get Sean Maher in a season with Summer Glau.

  • Anonymous

    While I’m glad that they’re finally giving Laurel something to do, no one seems to point out how little Diggle actually does. When they finally get him out of the lair, they shoot him. what luck.

  • TheChief

    I hear that they will be getting more in depth with him including having flashbacks from his time in Afghanistan.

  • Anonymous

    I heard about that too which could be cool, but doesn’t make up for the fact that, for many episodes, all he does is stand around saying things like, “Oliver, think about what you’re doing.” at least as far as the second season is concerned.

  • TheChief

    Agreed. Especially since someone of his military background is capable of more than just standing around.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t really like last night’s episode. I like the show but it has a few weaknesses that keeps poping up.

    What bugged me last night was Oliver being a dick to Felicity because she took some personal time. I know it was supposed to be viewed as “progression” in their partnership because he finally views her as his partner but it feels like something that belonged in season 1 and should be over by now. We give a lot of (deserved) flack to S.H.I.E.L.D. but at least they already function as a team. The team of Oliver/Felicity/Diggle have gone through much more together but the writers often act as if they were still in the “getting to know each other” part.

    Something else I didn’t like: Sebastian Blood’s idea to help his campaign. Any politician who would act as he did, organizing a rally while a terrorist is on the loose, would go down in flames in the polls and never go back up. The idea that his numbers would go up is ludicrous and having Oliver shake his hand at the end instead of being angry at him is very out of character.

    I’m glad about Laurel finally having something to do, though. Even though it probably means the show will again go back to the pattern of a character telling Oliver something he refuses to believe until it’s too late.

    Somebody at CW has trust issues….

  • Anonymous

    I liked how they had him dress up in the hood in the first season so they had him actively helping. I can see the logic of not overusing him to keep the focus on oliver, but it wouldn’t bother me if they did at least one hood fake-out this season. it was an effective tactic.

  • http://bayareageekguide.com/ Mike Chen

    Pretty meh mid-season opener, and I don’t know if they just felt they had a ton of exposition to cover. Sean Maher’s villain was hardly there.

  • Anonymous

    actually, there are plenty of real life examples of politicians imploring people to come out to vote or whatever even with the threat of terrorist attack. you can google news search for plenty of those examples. maybe not so many in the US, but in other countries where there is less voter apathy.

  • Anonymous

    Coming out to vote is something else entirely. I think voting is important and I would totally be behind any politician who says you can’t let terrorists scare you into not voting.

    But here, we’re talking about a rally that has no reason of being there other than to give publicity to one specific politician, and I’m not even sure elections have been announced yet. If Arrow hadn’t been there, and Blood did not go over the security details with him, many innocent people would have died for no reason.

  • Mandy

    Wait, so no more of the detailed show summaries? This makes me very sad. I love the show summaries. There’s always something I didn’t catch and I enjoy the commentary itself.

  • MeatyStakes

    They are definitelly going down that rabbit hole; I just hope they don’t butcher both characters doing so. This episode minced it maybe too hard, and I’d hate it becoming the trend.

  • MeatyStakes

    Finally they have Laurel actually doing stuff and using her skill set. It was a good move to keep her out of focus for the later episodes of 2013; now she can start doing stuff beyond being “the love interest”.

    I don’t see the kidnapping thing going away, but I really would like to see how CONSTANT FEAR OF MURDER has messed up with her head. She is still riding the addiction dragon, so I thing there’s an angle there with her addiction and all the stress.

  • Anonymous

    I hope we get to see more of Brother Blood’s cult & its philosophy so we understand why he’s already so influential.
    Sean Maher as a mad bomber is far less awesome than Sean Maher as a guy made of living shrapnel.
    Maya “Mother Mayhem” Resnik is Brother Blood’s mom in the comics too (or wife, depending on which version). The hospital she’s in is named Saint Walker after the Blue Lantern Corpsman.
    Ollie being unable to save Shado seems like a flimsy reason for Deathstroke to hate him so much. The Miraku making him Lazarus Pit crazy isn’t much better. Do you think they’ll be something even bigger to set off the rivalry? Maybe some of Slade’s kids (referenced briefly in S1) come to island to save him & Ollie accidentally kills them thinking they’re with Ivo?

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    Agreed. I prefer the old format.

  • http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com Starman

    A good episode but not a great one. It was the standard villain-of-the-week scenario, but Sean Maher did a good job with what little he had. Still, all of the subplots got some forward momentum – even Moira’s reemergence into society post-acquittal. The best part, I think most of us agree, is Laurel finally getting to do something on the show again!

    My episode guide entry for the show is up at: http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com/2014/01/arrow-episode-guide-season-2-episode-10.html

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    I’ll be honest, this episode was the first time I had an inkling they might just cement them as the best of friends. Because they easily could have made it look overly romantic in the scene between them but Oliver explained his respect for her and it came off really genuine. I hope that’s the case but this is the CW after all…

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    At least in this episode there was a reason, Felicity wasn’t there so he needed to do stuff in the Arrow lair. But I think he gets into the action often enough for a secondary character. He went after Cyrus Gold recently and had that entire episode of him in Russia. I think they just want to keep the focus on Oliver as “the hero.”

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    I think it was hard to compete with the midseason finale.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    One thing I didn’t like was this supposed new friendship between Oliver and Sebastian. I know they said 5 weeks had gone by but it would have been nice to show a progression or at least hint at how they became such great pals. It was too forced.

  • TheChief

    The whole “feud” between them came off as Ollie being jealous of Barry. At least, that is how I interpreted it. That is the reason I am afraid they will try to romance the relationship up.

  • Anonymous

    I was expecting him to say “I believe in Harvey… I mean Sebastian Blood!”

  • Guest

    Don’t hold your breath. Oliver has slept with every female character on the show that isn’t related to him.

    Personally, I’m actually hoping they give Felicity and Oliver a shot. It’s better than having one of them pining over the other for years and years. And years. If they’re not going to work out, I’d rather see that play out sooner rather than later. I just don’t want to see a rehash of Clark and Chloe’s relationship from Smallville. While I can understand that Clark is a character that never does anything halfway in his love life, Oliver is far from perfect and doesn’t have to be so closed to the idea of trying out a real relationship with someone that isn’t his ultimate, supremely-destined-but-oh-my-god-just-kiss-her-already soul mate.

  • J Ritchey

    They might play it as one of those relationships that could and would be
    romantic under almost any other circumstance but ends up simmering down
    to solid friendship after so many false starts and issues of bad
    timing.

  • J Ritchey

    I like that the new format potentially opens up discussion for more shows that don’t get as much love as they maybe should, but I look forward to the full recaps almost as much as the shows themselves (some weeks more).

    In a perfect world, I’d like to see the recaps continue for “key” shows and these open discussion sections used to highlight a broader range of relevant but maybe more niche shows. I do understand, though, how the recaps would be time consuming and potentially exhausting to maintain. We love you all for the effort!

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    “Oliver has slept with every female character on the show that isn’t related to him.” That’s not true. Sin, China White, Carly, etc.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    “Oliver has slept with every female character on the show that isn’t related to him.” That’s not true. Sin, China White, Carly, etc.

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Don’t worry, recaps aren’t being cut full-stop. And you’re right, it’s a time consumption thing plus how they are doing for us site wise that is adjusting some of our outlook on these. Thank you for reading, we really do appreciate it!

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Don’t worry, recaps aren’t being cut full-stop. And you’re right, it’s a time consumption thing plus how they are doing for us site wise that is adjusting some of our outlook on these. Thank you for reading, we really do appreciate it!

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Don’t worry, recaps aren’t being cut full-stop. And you’re right, it’s a time consumption thing plus how they are doing for us site wise that is adjusting some of our outlook on these. Thank you for reading, we really do appreciate it!

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Don’t worry, recaps aren’t being cut full-stop. And you’re right, it’s a time consumption thing plus how they are doing for us site wise that is adjusting some of our outlook on these. Thank you for reading, we really do appreciate it!

  • http://www.thenerdybird.com/ Jill Pantozzi

    Don’t worry, recaps aren’t being cut full-stop. And you’re right, it’s a time consumption thing plus how they are doing for us site wise that is adjusting some of our outlook on these. Thank you for reading, we really do appreciate it!

  • Travis

    I doubt anything will ever come of it. They’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of Felicity’s one-sided feelings and Oliver keeping her in the friend zone.

    Besides, Oliver’s in the usual super-hero “I’m too poisonous to be attached to anybody” mode. They’ll play that out until it gets old and then pair him back up with Laurel.

    If Oliver and Felicity ever get together, then we’ll know the show has officially run out of ideas. ::cough::Angel&Cordy::cough::

  • Travis

    I like the sub-plot, but I wouldn’t say the writing has been stellar.

    “Dad, I have a bad feeling about this guy.”
    “Well, even though the past has shown that your judgment is far superior to mine, which I am actually demonstrating while we have this conversation by working with the vigilante, I’m going to ignore your instincts and suggest you get over it and sleep with this man right away. Just remember, sweetie, I am your father and that means I will never support you and I am always wrong.”

  • delia

    i read it as ollie is used to Felicity (and everyone else) being at his beck and call, and probably also not minding the flattery of her one-sided feelings for him. But with the intro of Barry, suddenly she has her own life and isn’t as focused on him or his problems. i still see it as a one-sided attraction, but people who aren’t attracted back can still enjoy many benefits of a good friend crushing on them, like the self-esteem boost and infinite favors with very little in return. i’m glad the show acknowledged ollie was being an idiot and felicity is super-dedicated, but is also entitled to spend time with someone who returns her feelings

  • Holly DY

    I am sure no one will read this now but they have only just started showing Arrow in England so I thought I would add my thoughts.
    1. I am the person they do recaps for but I forgot: is Roy now a blood cult member? Since he has the super powers or did he get away? I ask only because he avoids questions from Thea and disappears every so offen.
    2. Do all bombers in America have to drive a white van? I mean if I lived in Starling city I would have just arrested anyone driving said type of van whenever there was a bombing.
    3. I kind of like the idea of Ollie and Felicity getting together but it would have be handled in a much subtler way then the CW has a reputation for so might need her to get a partner so that the unrequited love dynamic goes away.
    4. Laurel is still a ho hum character for me. I don’t mind her and she does have interesting moments but it is Thea and Roy all the way for me!