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My Spidey Sense Is Tingling

Sony To Release A Spider-Man Film Every Year, Assumes Anyone Cares


Also: A new trailer for The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and confirmation that director Marc Webb will be returning to direct a third Spider-Movie. Hopefully he won’t pull a Raimi and turn in something completely awful. But even if he does… seriously, does anyone care about this series?

The news broke a while back of Sony’s intentions to rake in some more of that Spider-Man moolah by making Sinister Six and Venom movies, with the Star Trek reboots’ Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci and The Cabin in the Woods‘ Drew Goddard, respectively, writing. And we also knew that The Amazing Spider-Man 3 and 4 are in the pipeline, because seriously, Spidey represents the only really lucrative franchise they have their hands on (they have a stake in James Bond, but not a particularly large one), and they’re gonna milk him for all he’s worth.

But a recent piece in Variety gives us a better idea of just how much Sony’s been looking at Marvel Studios and saying “That. We’re going to do that.” In it, co-chairman Amy Pascal is quoted as saying “We are expanding the Spider-Man universe into The Sinister Six and Venom so that we have ‘Spider-Man’ movies every year.” That’ll probably start in 2016 when The Amazing Spider-Man 3 comes out, unless they really want to rush Venom or Sinister Six into production.

That’s an awful big commitment for a franchise that—pardon me, The Amazing Spider-Man fans—not many people seem to be particularly invested in. Maybe I’m too immersed in the blogging bubble, but when most superhero films are announced there’s a palpable level of excitement. Sinister Six and Venom…. well, if people were into it, I sure didn’t see much evidence, and I’m on the Internet every day. The Amazing Spider-Man met the very low bar of “decent and inoffensive” (review here). It’s not bad, but it’s also not something I want to sit through five (or even one!) more movie of. Its biggest draw is its actors, but Andrew Garfield has sounded less than enthusiastic in the past about returning for a fourth film. That could, it’s important to note, just be him pulling an RDJ and angling for more money.

Regardless, as Collider points out, the Spider-Verse is a lot less expansive than what the MCU has at their disposal. I just can’t imagine that ‘verse sustaining interest without a massive, massive uptick in quality. Judging by the new trailer, it doesn’t like we’ll be getting that; I was bored 15 seconds in. Gimme something new or GTFO.

And here’s that trailer. Warning for dubstep starting at 1:45.

(via: Collider, Geekosystem)

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  • https://twitter.com/adamhowardcross Adam Cross

    “seriously, does anyone care about this series?” well yeah… it’s Spider-Man :)

  • Rebecca Pahle

    I know people care about the CHARACTER. But this particular series…? I’ve seen very little evidence of it.

  • Pomfelo

    A Spider-Man movie a year? Would it be too much to ask for a Miles Morales spinoff? A spider-clone/Spider-Girl movie?

  • Erin Treat

    Ugh. It just doesn’t have the fun and imagination of the Marvel movies. I just want Marvel to get Spidey back and integrate him into their cinematic universe. Until then, this bores me.

  • BatiHoney

    Well…. I care. I loved The Amazing Spider-man and everything in it. I’m pumped for the sequel. I /want/ the other 2 movies. And as long as they look good, I’ll go watch Venom and Sinister Six if they happen. So, great news for me :3

  • http://www.justplainsomething.com JustPlainSomething

    I’m torn because I genuinely enjoyed The Amazing Spider-Man but I still want Fox and Sony to just stop making their Marvel movies so that those characters can actually be used in the larger Marvel universe already. That’s not going to HAPPEN, but I want it, damnit.

  • Miguel Hernandez

    Probably would be too much to ask. I don’t think their license extends to him and just stops at the 616 version of Spider-man/Peter Parker. And how would they do a spin off since that character came into being with Peter Parkers death? They also couldn’t use any of the SHIELD references.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t liked any of Sony’s Spiderman movies, so this news leaves me feeling meh.

  • TheChief

    That would be great. There is so much they could do if they allowed Spidey to be integrated in the MCU. Heck, it is a shame that there all these restrictions for Marvel comics based movies anyway.

  • sshysmm

    I feel like I’m the only person who actually prefers Amazing Spidey to Raimi Spidey. I’m looking forward to the second one…though a film a year does sound a bit much. A nice trilogy to eclipse the Raimi ones is all I’m particularly invested in.

  • Ashe

    Want.

    :c

  • Sewassbe

    You’re not the only one! Fiance and I VASTLY prefer the reboot to the 2000s spideys. I’m sorry, Tobe McGuire…. just…. no. And Kirsten Dunst made the worst Mary Jane EVER.

  • http://runt.org/ Adrian

    Same. I want the series to fail and fail hard so there is a chance they give/sell the rights back Marvel. But I also don’t want Spider-Man to fail. :( It sucks.

  • Brittany K

    I, personally, don’t know anyone who didn’t love tasm and isn’t excited for the sequel. Now I don’t know about Sinister Six and Venom. But as for tasm, yeah, lots of people love it and are excited for more.

  • demoncat_4

    not surprised for as long as long as spider mans film adventures are making money sony is going to keep making the films that plus keep making them keep spider man from playing in the rest of the marvel film universe like with the avengers. though would find a venom interesting .

  • Travis

    Nobody who prefers Rami’s crappy movies over Webb’s has an opinion worth listening to on the subject. They were terrible with the exception of the second, which was only mostly terrible.

  • Travis

    I’m actually perfectly content to keep the X-Men, Spider-Man, and Avengers worlds firmly separated between barriers of red tape. It’d be nice if the Fantastic Four went back to Marvel, but I’d rather have no crossovers than turn the movies into the same flustercluck the books have become.

  • http://www.gradientcomics.com/ Rob Payne

    Hm. There’s been no talk of Marvel making a Miles Morales movie, which doesn’t need Peter Parker to make sense — he never needed an earlier Spider-Man to inspire him, after all. You’d think if they wanted to make Sony look silly they could just introduce him in the MCU, since it already uses a lot of Ultimate storylines and character designs for inspiration.

    But, with news that Fox’s Fantastic Four reboot is being cribbed from the Ultimate line, it seems the Spidey license might indeed extend beyond the 616 proper.

  • Travis

    This actually sounds like Sony’s looking at Disney’s plans for Star Wars with the Main Movie/Side Movie plan.

  • Anonymous

    750 million at the box office isn’t really anything to scoff at. Remember, most of the audience isn’t really all that deep into comic book fandom, so fans being excited/not excited isn’t necessarily an indicator of interest.

    See: Scott Pilgrim.

  • Anonymous

    I have no strong feelings one way or the other on these matters. I liked the Amazing Spider-Man, primarily due to the actors and the chemistry between them, but…eh.

    …..as bummed as I am that Marvel can’t use Spidey in the MCU because of all this legal stuff….couldn’t they still use Miles Morales? Or does Sony’s film rights extend to all things associated with Spiderman, including the Ultimates version?
    Cuz…yeah, I want a Miles Morales movie.

  • Lia Hansen

    I don’t get why people hate Spiderman 3 so much. Maybe I’m remembering it wrong, I haven’t seen it in a while, but I honestly liked it! I’ve heard a lot of people who disliked the part where Peter went all emo and “cool” because of the symbiote’s influence, but to me, that was what made that series great. They actually made Peter Parker an awkward nerdy teenager! Toby McGuire wasn’t some Hollywood hunk with a great smile and tons of charisma, and that’s what made him perfect! When the symbiote gave him confidence, he didn’t turn cool, he turned into Peter Parker’s warped, off-putting sense of what was cool. It was embarrassing and weird and uncool because THAT’S WHO PETER PARKER IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

    Sorry, I always do this in the Mary sue comments section. About the new movies, i like the fact that Spiderman cracks wise while he’s fighting, but not much else.

  • John W

    They made a mistake by “rebooting” the series. I don’t have a problem with them recasting but they should have really just picked up where Raimi left off and kept going.

    The way they handled Ben’s death in TAS was terrible IMO.

    At least they kept the tradition of Spider-man revealing his identity to someone in every movie.

  • JMH

    I’m so torn. The movie *did* successfully make me interested as heck in what happened to his parents. As far as I understand, that’s a completely new thing, and new interests me.
    I just keep wanting to watch his parents’ movie. Instead of this. All the actual characters bore me to tears. And it’s not a slam against the actors; I think they’re all doing the best they can with what they’ve got.

  • Mark Matson

    Wouldn’t a better solution be to reach a joint contract with Marvel so Sony’s Spider Man movies take place in the Marvel Universe? Then Spider Man could show up in the next Avengers movie and Sony would get a cut.

    Come on guys, put fans first and work out the details!

  • JMH

    I don’t understand why they can’t negotiate joint custody somehow. I mean, how much more money would Sony make, if it was a Marvel movie universe movie?

  • Delta

    Gotta say, even though I don’t have high hopes for this movie, the bit and the end where Gwen yells “PETER!” then clamps her hand over her mouth his hilarious. It at least seems to have some good humor in it.

  • Mark Matson

    I thought the new one was slightly better than the old, but only slightly. I agree with others they didn’t do the death of the uncle correctly, but that would have been purely redoing the original. As it is, there was amazingly little overlap.

    EDIT: Oops, that was suppose to be in reply to sshysmm downstream.

  • Anonymous

    They were unfortunately fairly blunt that that’s not what would happen anyway. They pointed out if these movies ever do bad enough that Marvel gets them back, that would indicate the public is sick of them, and therefore it wouldn’t be a wise move to suddenly make MORE of them.

    It’s the reason they haven’t done anything with Ghost Rider and are only rebooting Daredevil as a TV show, not a movie. The stink of the previous installments makes them a hazard.

  • NickN

    I’m pretty sure if Marvel had Spider-Man’s movie rights there wouldn’t even have been a marvel cinematic universe.

  • Anonymous

    I thought Andrew Garfield made a pretty groovy Spider-Man.

  • Adrian

    Rebecca, I think you’re in the bubble. The Amazing Spider-Man made 750+ mil, was reviewed well, and had an A- CinemaScore. Quite the response to a film “everyone” supposedly didn’t want to see. Personally, I would argue that it was better than Raimi’s first film in every way save for maybe one or two things.

    I’m pretty sure the hate for The Amazing Spider-Man and even Iron Man 3 is an internet myth more than anything. If you ask someone on the internet about either film many will proclaim them to be the worst things ever. But if you look at the numbers, they did some damn good business and were reviewed well.

  • Anonymous

    TAS’ biggest flaw is the trilogy before it. They had to change the story not to be a repeat or Raimi’s movie and that’s where mistakes were made. Other than that, Garfield feels more like Peter Parker than Maguire ever did, if only because the character he’s asked to play is allowed to have a sense of humor.

    The trailer for the new film seems like a step in the right direction. I may not care about a Venom film but I like TAS so far.

  • Adrian

    I know, right? Who didn’t immediately fall in love with Emma Stone’s Gwen Stacy? I sure as hell did.

  • Nat

    Also, prayer circle for gwen stacy.

  • Nat

    Also, prayer circle for gwen stacy.

  • Adrian

    Don’t hold you breath, my friend. :’(

  • Alexa

    Sorry but while the Raimi Spiderman films were pretty imperfect, Amazing sucked royally. Sorry but that line at the end about promises just makes me rage! Not because I don’t think Peter Parker would say that, but because it turned the character into a complete asshole. He is not a hero he is a tool. Plus it was just bland in my opinion, at least there was flavor with Raimi’s version, IMO.

  • Nat

    I know but I can hope. They just want to give me a heart attack. This is an opportunity to fix a huge mistake in comic lore (given that Gwen was killed off simply because they had no idea what to do with her on her own http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Gwen_Stacy_Died#Behind_the_scenes) and she’s just such a breath of fresh air of such a long time of Mary Jane.

  • TKS

    I feel like the 2000′s Franchize weren’t Spider-Man movies, they were Sam Raimi movies that happened to have Spider-Man in them. Not a knock on them, if you like Raimi movies they’re great. I’m not.

    I much prefer Amazing to the 2000′s.

  • Jamie Jeans

    *points and laughs* Yeah, sure, Sony… keep on failing with those movies why don’t you.

    Raimi had his problems with his films, but they had more heart in their pinkie finger than this reboot has in its whole body.

    After all, a movie where FLASH THOMPSON has more humanity and growth than Peter Parker is a movie that fails.

  • Adrian

    The Amazing Spider-Man didn’t fail, though. I mean, I get if you don’t like it but it wasn’t a failure at the box office, among the audience, or the critics.

  • Jamie Jeans

    And just because the Transformers movies weren’t box office failures, doesn’t mean they didn’t fail in other ways as well.

    The Amazing Spider-Man movie was a failure in bringing to life Peter Parker and the ultimate lesson he had to learn to make him what he was:

    “With great power comes great responsibility.”

    We did not get someone who learned this lesson and was humbled in spite of the newfound power he received. What we got was a brooding prick who yelled at his aunt after she had just lost her husband and became even more lost in his own misery and selfishness who went on vigilante beatdowns.

    It wasn’t inspiring, I didn’t root for Peter, and the writing and directing showcased an unfortunate amount of attitude in many of today’s superhero comics which is a horrible amount of selfishness instead of doing what’s right because it’s the right thing to do.

    Thus, the Amazing Spider-Man was a moral failure on every conceivable level.

  • Adrian

    To each their own, of course.

  • Travis

    Well, assuming Sony gets desperate enough to keep the movies coming out, they may just say “screw it, stand-alone non-canon movie.” They’ve already rebooted once and the world didn’t end. No reason it couldn’t happen again.

  • ACF

    I loved Amazing Spider-Man. He actually gave Spider-Man a sense of humor, among other things he did better than his predecessor.

  • Travis

    And the myth of “Peter Parker: Awkward Teenager” continues.

    Stan never wrote Peter as dorky, awkward, shy, or weird. Andrew Garfield played it far closer to the source than McGuire ever did.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus … nice attitude. It must feel great being better than everyone who prefers the ASM to Raimi’s movies.

  • Anonymous

    Where are you looking? Clearly not at the box office or the overwhelmingly positive reviews.

    Rebecca, it’s ok if you didn’t like it or if you prefer the Raimi flicks, but to suggest there’s “little evidence” that anyone cares about this series is just flat out not true. And it makes you look bad to keep playing that line.

    Again it’s ok if you personally hate it and everyone you personally know hates it … but don’t be that person on that internet playing the “My nerd shit is better than your nerd shit.” game. ASM was a resounding success in every possible way.

    That’s fact.

  • locuas

    does that mean they are going to bring “Mayday” parker, AKA peter’s daughter AKA spidergirl, which in turn could “inspire” marvel into using her? no? then i don’t care

  • Anonymous

    I agree only because this whole “digging in the past” aspect is only showing their limitations with their film rights. They just need to try and move forward with something more.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll probably RedBox it just like I did the first one. Don’t get me wrong, the first one was fine. It’ll just never measure up to Spider-Man 2 IMO.

    Though, adding Jamie Foxx is enough to almost lure me out to theaters. Almost though not enough.

  • Anonymous

    I think a lot of it has to do with when you saw it. Like all those people who are obsessed with The Breakfast Club, and I feel like I missed my window – I wasn’t that excited by it. I think Raimi’s Spidermen are my Breakfast Club: they came out at the right time in my life, and were forever inscribed on my adolescent brain

  • Cowtools

    I vastly prefer the first two Raimi films (though they’re not in my top 100 films and I feel no special attachment to them) for three major reasons:
    1) They’re bright and colourful. The costumes are bright, they spend a lot of time in the daylight, the colour-correction isn’t overdone and there’s no generic ‘blue and orange’ look.
    2) They’re trying to be funny. Not snarky, or quirky, or hip, but FUNNY. in a goofy, unself-conscious, family friendly way. Compared to Raimi’s films, the new one came off as snide and obnoxious.
    3) They’re optimistic. What always turned me off of the Spider-Man comics was how it portrayed New York as a place of relentless meanness and failure. There was some of that in the first two films, but it was balanced out by some genuinely heartfelt scenes of average citizens supporting poor Spidey (cheesy as those scenes were).
    TL;DR: The new version feels like generic grimdark to me.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed! Did we REALLY need another origin story? COME ON.

  • Richard Grant

    I’d say Peter did learn the Great Responsibility bit at the bridge when he saved the boy in the car and decided to stop searching for Uncle Ben’s killer and focus on helping people.
    Yes he became a vigilante, but he was actually called out on it by Captain Stacey, at which point he actually started to question his behaviour and move in a positive direction. Its pretty in keeping with what happens in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, and I actually prefer it to the quick switch that happens in Raimi’s films.

    As for the Transformers comparison, they might have made alot of money at the box-office but they were critical failures, and got mixed Cinema-Score responses from the Audience (a B+ for Revenge of the Fallen showing even the biggest Transformers fans didn’t think they were that strong.)
    Amazing Spider-Man, on the other hand, got a strong critical reception and a strong Cinema-Score, so combine that with a strong box-office and the Transformers comparison isn’t particularly apt.
    A far better example would be Iron Man 3, which parts of the internet like to paint as some big failure, when all evidence suggests otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    That’s why I enjoyed it as well. It was very tongue in cheek: Peter Parker’s SUCH a “good guy” that this is his idea of what being BAD is…no wonder the symbiote sought out a new buddy! Yes, it was somewhat painful to watch it all go down, but so are many episodes of The Office, for the same reason.

  • Richard Grant

    Whats interesting is just looking at the comments in this article alone, there are actually quite a few people commenting about their excitement for this film and their enjoyment of the first. So it does suggest to me that the rumours of the whole internet/ fandom hating the film, are greatly exaggerated.
    Another sign that Amazing Spider-Man 2, at least, looks like it has alot of interest amongst at least the casual audience, is how much more views its trailers have got on youtube compared too Captain America: TWS and X-Men: DOFP.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Looking forward to this far more than any of the Avengers stuff.

  • Ryan Colson

    I think the evidemce generally points its a lukewarm franchise, the webb one. its just..there.. metacritic and the 4 friends i know who like it after repeat viewings compared to the eight or ten who say it gets worse each time.

  • Travis

    I hate to break it to you, but “lost in his own misery and selfishness” is one of Peter’s defining traits through the entirety of Stan’s run.

    As for Peter’s life lesson, we get it when Peter realizes that helping people for selfish reasons (hunting Ben’s killer) is still selfish. It’s still the same selfishness that got Ben killed and it’s only when he really acts selflessly that he truly becomes a hero.

    Now, I’ll grant that the movie could have done better, but it’s a hell of a better story than “Spider-Man deals with erectile dis-function.”

  • MeatyStakes

    That’s a pretty shitty title. I mean, I don’t really care about the amazing spider-man, but I think there’s readers who do?

  • Jeff

    I really liked TASM, and I’m super excited for the sequel, as well as the spin-offs. Electro is one of my favorite villains, and I’m glad he’s getting the spotlight and that they’re overall improving his characterization and giving him more depth. Rhino is a good thug type villain to have, and he doesn’t need a whole lot of set-up or anything, so it makes sense to have him there. Goblin is really the only thing I’m worried about, but I love Dane Dehann, so I think it will come off well.

    And then with the spin-offs, a Venom movie with Flash Thompson Venom in it would be awesome- it would take less time to set up than the whole Eddie Brock storyline and it would make for a great flick I think. And the Sinister Six movie has the potential to be an interesting counter to the Avengers, especially if they don’t go the anti-hero route and actually make them be villains because we’ve never really seen a movie like that- where the villains team up and want to do something evil or otherwise harm the heroes. It would be a fresh take on the genre.

    As for Spidey’s rights reverting back to Marvel, I don’t know how I feel about that. I feel like Spider-Man has a big enough universe on his own and it might get a little cluttered by throwing him in with Iron Man and the like. My other issue that’s slightly related to that is that if Spider-Man reverted to Marvel, you can bet they would shoe horn him into everything, even storylines where he has no right to be there. I don’t think of Spidey as an Avenger, so I would want him to at least stay away from that. Maybe if they had a Marvel Knights thing going on with Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luke Cage and so on I’d be more open to the idea.

  • ACF

    Not sure. Actually though, if Sony DOES have the rights to Miles Morales it seems like we’re more likely to get a movie with him sometime soon. Marvel may have 2 movies per year instead of one, but they’ve also got a whole lot more characters to work with and seem to be focusing on the avengers.

  • Anonymous

    The Ultimates verse seems like a grey area in some aspects…Miles is less closely connected to Peter Parker, from what Iv’e read, and he seems to have more ties with SHIELD…
    I just want him to get a movie because he’s great.

    I heard Marvel may be upping the movie count to 3 per year, though you’re right, they do have more characters to work with at the moment. I suppose all we can do is wait and see what happens. It’d be nice if Miles got a movie. If Sony has the rights to him, they could do a Spider-Men flick. That’d be cool. If Marvel has his rights, he could get in with the Avengers. As long as SOMEBODY makes a Miles movie, we win.

  • ACF

    Yeah, most of his connection to Peter was as a successor, which I doubt Sony would do. He’s one of my favorite characters though, so I agree that I’d love to see him in anything.

  • Anonymous

    He could easily be worked in without a need for Peter. His origins are separate, and there are plenty of sketchy non Oscorp science places to get radioactive spiders from in the Marvelverse.

    His supporting cast is also great, his family is great, his costume is nice…Miles is an ace character. Whoever owns the rights to him should realize that and do something with him for the big or small screen. :D he’s one of my favorite things to come out of the Ultimatesverse.

  • Alexa

    I don’t know I’ve seen the original first comic he is kind of awkward.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    I am likewise looking forward to the potential spinoff material available to us.

    Venom could go into a number of directions, and regardless of the person playing the role, it still opens to the possibility of the symbiotite possessing someone else in the future, or even of it splitting off like it has done on numerous occasions throughout the franchise. (Flash Tompson picked up a sidekick that way recently.)

    As for the Sinister Six….Im not sure I want to see their film featuring Spiderman. Because for them to win, it would require Spidey to fail, or even die in the process.

    And while that would certainly be possible. (Heck, with the inclusion of Doc Ock, there have been five people to replace Peter Parker after his retirement over the years.) I think it would be more interesting to have multiple spideys running around at the same time rather than using a supervillian epic as a means of killing one off.

    And the possible spinoff material we might see in the future is enormous.

    Black Cat definitely has the chops to lead her own film.

    Miles Morales’s entire backstory hinges on Oscorp having a hand in Peter’s origin. The stage is already set for his inclusion at any time.

    May ‘day Parker is a tenative maybee further down the line, though by her very nature it would take some growing into the role.

    Ben Reilly, Miguel O’Hara, Silver Sable, The various spider-girls and Spider woman (does Sony own her?)

    Not to mention that Stan Lee was specifically asked to create a new hero for Sony to use in their Spiderman franchise http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/26/stan-lee-sony-create-new-superhero

    In the end, I dare say that Sony has all the cards and can make it big if they play said cards right.

  • Adrian

    That’s the funny thing about it. Fox wishes their X-Men films were as successful as Sony’s Spider-Man films, including The Amazing Spider-Man. For the series, the films average over 800 mil per while Fox’s X-Men films average less than half of that.

    Like you said, the first trailer for the new film had more viewers in its first week than the trailers for The Winter Soldier and Days of Future Past had in its first month. There’s little doubt that it’s going to win the comic book box office crown this year.

  • Gert Sønderby

    Call me a weirdo, but I consider Garfield’s Spider-Man the authoritative cinematic version of the character, and hold Iron Man 3 to be the best movie of the series.

    Honestly, I don’t know if I’m happy or sad that we’ll never see Garfield playing Spidey as an Avenger – the sheer critical mass of snark between him and Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark would be glorious, and terrible. :-)

  • Ben English

    Wait, there was hatred of Iron Man 3? I thought it was easily the best of the bunch. It was as well written as the first one but had a much more credible villain than that evil CEO and his clunky mech.

  • BatiHoney

    Some people will give you other arguments, but a looooot of people who hate IM3 hated it because of how they did the Mandarin. Ironically, I think it was one of the best things they could have ever done with that character.

    Now, if anything, I’d say IM3 didn’t make very clear the villain’s motivations. I’m still wondering, actually. But other than that, I loved it.

  • BatiHoney

    Some people will give you other arguments, but a looooot of people who hate IM3 hated it because of how they did the Mandarin. Ironically, I think it was one of the best things they could have ever done with that character.

    Now, if anything, I’d say IM3 didn’t make very clear the villain’s motivations. I’m still wondering, actually. But other than that, I loved it.

  • Adrian

    While I have some issues with Iron Man 3, I wouldn’t say I hate it but if you read some of the comments out there and had yet to see it, you’d think it’s the worst comic book film ever.

    Basically, a lot of the negativity stems from the changes Marvel made to the Mandarin from the source material. Since I’m no Iron Man purist, it was the least of my issues.

  • Adrian

    While I have some issues with Iron Man 3, I wouldn’t say I hate it but if you read some of the comments out there and had yet to see it, you’d think it’s the worst comic book film ever.

    Basically, a lot of the negativity stems from the changes Marvel made to the Mandarin from the source material. Since I’m no Iron Man purist, it was the least of my issues.

  • BatiHoney

    I feel you SO much. Andrew Garfield IS now Peter Parker to me. I also loved IM3. So, you’re not a weirdo. You just need to find your people! lol

    P.S.: I cry everynight because I won’t get to see Andrew!Peter interact with the Avengers. Every night.

  • BatiHoney

    I feel you SO much. Andrew Garfield IS now Peter Parker to me. I also loved IM3. So, you’re not a weirdo. You just need to find your people! lol

    P.S.: I cry everynight because I won’t get to see Andrew!Peter interact with the Avengers. Every night.

  • Ben English

    I was disappointed they didn’t use the alien tech angle since The Avengers already firmly established that aliens are a thing in the MCU, but otherwise their take on the Mandarin was pretty great, and Ben Kingsley played his part so wonderfully.

  • Ben English

    I was disappointed they didn’t use the alien tech angle since The Avengers already firmly established that aliens are a thing in the MCU, but otherwise their take on the Mandarin was pretty great, and Ben Kingsley played his part so wonderfully.

  • BatiHoney

    I guess they like to keep Iron Man /mostly/ clean of Alien related plots because of the genre and general feel? And because we have Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers 2. Considering aliens play key roles in those movies, maybe giving IM3 an alien-related plot would have been too much. Idk, just a thought.

    I loved how they played BOTH the audience and the characters with the Mandarin’s identity. It made everything racist about Ben Kingsley playing an Asian? character called The Mandarin who is a terrorist make sense. I thought it was super smart and a very good way of handling such a controversial character.

  • Anonymous

    I saw “The Amazing Spider-Man” once on DVD due to a friend’s request. I was turned off strongly and never watched it again. I’ve absolutely zero interest in any “TAS”-sequels or spin offs. The Raimi movies on the other hand I’ve seen several times and have them (with the exception of part III, which was by far in my opinion above “TAS”) on DVD.

    I think Sony is desperately trying to fish in the renewed prospect of making money with comic book movies but I doubt they are in for great successes.

    Though I wouldn’t mind to see a decently written and directed “Black Cat” solo movie! ;-)

  • Ben English

    Dark Peter really wasn’t the problem with the movie though. It was just a mess at a much deeper level. Peter and MJ acting like ridiculous caricatures of themselves, The retcon about Uncle Ben’s death being an accident, the fact that Peter just lets Sandman go despite the numerous other crimes he’s committed including kidnapping, reckless endangerment, and attempted murder? And Harry Osborn… well everything regarding Harry in the film is awful, even if a few parts are So Bad It’s Good.

  • Ben English

    The Raimi moves have turned me off of EVER, EVER wanting to see Mary Jane get kidnapped by the villain again, but honestly after the stupid Mephisto bargain in the comics, I would like to see a good take on MJ, one where you get the sense that maybe she and Peter are actually compatible long term and don’t get suspicious of each other and make out with other people while the other is right there watching….

  • Ben English

    I really enjoyed The Amazing Spider-man and while the sequel… especially the Green Goblin… has not impressed me so far from the trailers, It’s seriously overstating the case to say nobody cares about it.

    I think it’s more that… Spider-Man is a limited liscence. You have Spider-Man and his family, his villains… but you don’t even have all his Amazing Friends because some of them are X-Men or Avengers. The Kingpin is probably at Marvel because he was last used in Daredevil, so one of Spidey’s most iconic villains is out of the question. Venom and Sinister Six spin-offs? That’s just absurd. They haven’t even proved they can sustain success through a single sequel, let alone a franchise of spin offs. Even the Raimi series started popular, and actually got good, breifly, with Spider-Man 2, and still nose-dived in quality and esteem with the third installment–so even if TASM2 is fantastic, there’s no guarantee of sustainability.

    Honestly I have the same misgivings about Disney plans with Star Wars, and that franchise has 25000 years worth of material to work with. There is only so much creative energy in the industry, and putting a new Star Wars movie every year is self-evidently insane. Audience fatigue and burnout are a risk, but just from a creative perspective I don’t think it can be done without huge compromises in quality.

  • Asura

    The actress who plays Gwen in an interview actually stated she wants to follow the general plot of the comics, so I wouldn’t hold my breath either.

  • Asura

    A lot of the hate I’ve seen for the movie is due to Peter’s… dance, and the fact that Venom spent most of the final battle with his human face visible.

  • Asura

    The gave Electro blue skin and Rhino a mech suit, so I’d say they have carte blanche as to whether they want to draw inspiration from the 616 verse or the 1610.

  • Asura

    Wait… you want an adaptation of the Clone Saga? The most reviled arc in Spider-Man history?!

  • Laura Truxillo

    Huh. Okay.

    I liked Amazing Spider-Man alright. I’ll go see the sequel. I probably won’t go see it 3-5 times like I did with Avengers, but they’ll get their eight bucks from me.

    I’d say the Spider-man franchise might just be big enough to handle doing this for more than a year or two before it implodes on itself. His villains are pretty good, Venom *can* actually be turned into a reasonably interesting anti-hero, there’s Black Cat and I’m sure one or two other hero-buddies that Marvel didn’t get in the divorce that they can pull in. Could be kinda fun for awhile.

  • Logo Lou

    Transformers.

    Megahits, everyone of them… no one (but the studio) really cares.

  • Laura Truxillo

    I think the hatred depends on just how invested you were in the classic version of the Mandarin. I wasn’t, so I saw this really brilliant subversion of an old racist “furrin yella peril” character and a pretty decent comment on how easily America allowed itself to be led in the wake of a terrorist attack. The guys I used to work with were huge fans of the old Mandarin, and were furious that he’d been turned into a “joke.”

  • Laura Truxillo

    I think he would’ve been considered shy, awkward, dorky, and weird by that time period’s social mores. Remember, that was the same era that brought us those classroom PSAs about not being a party pooper and getting along with the rest of your classmates by not studying too much. But I think either people cliqued up a little less then, or comics back then just showed the nerd and the jock and the cheerleader all hanging out together, a la Archie and the Gang. Or maybe a mix of both. I remember that Peter could tag along with Flash and Gwen and the other teens…SOMETIMES. And sometimes that would deliberately leave him behind or prank him. And even when he did hang out with them, they’d probably make fun of whatever he said.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    It made a ton of money, sure. So did Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides. I don’t hate the movie, but I don’t really see much evidence that people are excited about this particular franchise, compared to X-Men or the MCU. And I stick by that.

  • Laura Truxillo

    That’s a pretty good point, honestly.

    It’s what always kept me from properly getting into the comics, from the time I was a kid. I wanted to read about Spider-Man not “whatever other hero/drama was going on in the periphery of Spidey’s life.” I’m a little better at picking and choosing books these days, but it’s still kind of a cluster for newbies.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    Money doesn’t always indicate that fans are responding to a series, either. Look how much Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides made. And of course a ton of people saw TASM: It was the first in the new series, people were curious, people love Andrew Garfield. And I’m just speaking from what I, personally, have seen, working on the internet and being pretty plugged into the world of comic book movies. It’s been my experience that, while a ton of people saw TASM, they didn’t respond to it in the day they did to, say, The Avengers or First Class. I don’t see the excitement on social media. I don’t see people arguing over new casting announcements. I don’t see the organic buzz, though I see Sony releasing a hell of a lot of marketing tidbits and calling them “viral.”

  • Cad Wallader

    But there’s also the problem of MCU already having it’s hands full with how many characters they’re juggling. Two movies a year is a lot, and with sequels, there’s not much room in the schedule to begin new franchises on the big screen without crowding out your own movies. Remember, Disney doesn’t need Avengers stepping on Star Wars’, Pixar’s, or Disney Studios’ toes, and vice-versa.
    Marvel already tried reviving Hulk (twice) so I think with their street level heroes they’re content to keep them on TV or Netflix until they need them as extra muscle in an established film property.

  • Cad Wallader

    IT does indicate fans are responding to the series. Just not fans you hang out with. Fans responded to Scott Pilgrim and Pacific Rim, but those movies had a tough time of it domestically. On the other hand, Transformers will never die and people will line up for more Smurfs. Just because no one I know, and the places I frequent online don’t care, doesn’t mean no one cares.
    In 2004 when Bush was re-elected, I remember a lot of my friends asking in bewilderment how it was possible. They didn’t know ANYONE who voted for him!

  • Cad Wallader

    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales comes out in 2016, so I’m not sure that’s the best example of a movie making a ton of money not indicating there’s enough interest to produce more.

  • Rebecca Pahle

    It making enough money to justify a sequel in no way is an indication that fans in any way liked that movie. The Green Lantern made enough money to justify a sequel (albeit one that didn’t happen), for Chrissakes.

  • Michael R Trice

    It’s a fair-ish question. The Raimi films are still the 5th, 6th, and 7th highest grossing superhero films in history, but the reboot was substantially lower, though higher than Thor, Cap, or the X-men. I wouldn’t doubt Spidey’s appeal, but I do doubt any audience or actors willing to stay invested in a film a year of this nature from a one protagonist IP. I could be wrong.

    That said, the data is more on their side than the side of, “I don’t get feels from the Net”. Nothing personal, i just get agitated about low data evaluations.

  • Adrian

    Agreed. It also made almost 100 mil more than Man of Steel, a reboot, and way more than Batman Begins, another reboot.

  • Adrian

    For me it’s Peter’s dance, Topher Grace as Eddie Brock/Venom, the way MJ was so damn unlikable, Harry’s whole thing and look, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Um, I care? Though I may not be a huge fan of Spider-man, in any form, I at least care about movie news. That’s why I read The Mary Sue…but I am put off by the tone of this article–it seems unnecessarily negative. Clearly plenty of people DO like The Amazing Spider-Man. I did and am looking forward to the sequel.

  • Troy Lenze

    The original was pretty good, but that trailer makes the next one look more like a spectacle movie rather than a well-written, well-acted movie. I’ll watch it when it comes out on Starz/HBO/Showtime/Cinemax and probably like it well enough.

  • http://www.aeryllou.tumblr.com/ Aeryl

    Rewatching Thor 2 last night, my daughter was making all kinds of Star Wars analogs with it. Malekith is the Emporer, the Last Cursed was Vader, Thor is Luke, Sif is Leia, Odin is Obi Wan.

    So yeah, allowing the sci-fi to overwhelm their other franchises could become a problem for Marvel if they don’t watch it. I liked that they keep the individual movies and villains well within each characters wheelhouse. Tony gets bad weapons developers, Cap gets existential threats to the future of America, Thor gets “space fantasy”, and the Avengers can be a amalgam of them all.

  • http://elisabethflaum.wordpress.com/ Elwyne

    I like TASM mostly because I’m re-watching S3 of Doctor Who and mentioned to my husband that I just saw the story that Spider-Man was in. :)
    Again, playing an American. :)

    Actually, I really liked super-nerd Toby’s portrayal, and I was ho-hum on the reboot. The new guy was just way too cool for awkward Peter Parker. However I also really like Andrew Garfield as a person – shooting hoops with random kids in costume while on a filming break is BEYOND AWESOME. So I root for him, and maybe I’ll even see the movies.

  • Bean

    I’m actually going to support this movie…but not for any good reasons. Basically, this franchise is my only real shot at getting to see Peter Parker and Mary Jane together again. I’ve given up on the comics, as it doesn’t look like that stupidity will be undone anytime soon, and the unwritten ‘no marriage’ rules make it even less likely.

  • Guymelef

    Exactly what I’ve been saying for years.

  • Travis

    That… just didn’t happen.

    With the exception of Flash, who was always worried (somewhat legitimately) that Pete was going to move in on Liz Allen, that whole group was constantly inviting Peter to hang out with them.

    It was only when Pete snubbed them, either because of Spider-Man or Aunt May problems, that they ever got on his case.

    I mean, we’re talking about a teenager who made a play for his boss’ secretary and had to stop himself from straight up murdering his bully on multiple occasions. Shy and awkward are two things Peter Parker has just never been.

  • Laura Truxillo

    …If you say so?

    I remember them giving him a hard time, calling him chicken, and the rest of it. He may not have been shy, but his friends weren’t, like, Friends. They were peers.

  • Travis

    I do say so. I also just read through Stan’s run two weeks ago, but feel free to do the same if you don’t believe me.

    And I’m not arguing that they never gave him a hard time. One of the Parker Luck problems is that in order to be a hero, he has to look like a coward.

    Peter wasn’t the awkward nerdy teenager everybody thought he was. That was kind of the point. What’s baffling is how the perception that fictional characters had about Peter Parker has managed to manifest itself in the real world.

  • Anonymous

    I’m invested in this! It’s by far the superhero movie I’m looking forward to most
    this year (DOFP looks like a probable disaster due to trying to do too much with too many characters; Guardian of the Galaxy looks kind of dumb; I have issues with The Winter Soldier due to Scarlett Johansenn supporting Israeli colonies in the West Bank).

    I really enjoyed their twist on Spider-Man’s motto in ASM that sent the message of “with any power comes responsibility“. Uncle Ben, Gwen, Captain Stacey, the men with the cranes – many people took risks in order to protect others, and some paid the price. It was a refreshing chance from superheroes simply saving passive or hostile civilians. And I like Garfield’s Spider-Man – he’s a lot less mopey than the Raimi one, and actually demonstrates intelligence and an interest in science. And I really like his relationship with Gwen being one of equals, where she’s a heroine herself (albeit a non-superpowered one) who saves people’s lives, rather than a unattainable symbol/trophy/damsel like MJ in the earlier movies.

    I really like the trailers for ASM2 and think it looks great.

  • Anonymous

    I liked Peter going “bad” in Spider-Man 3 because I felt like it illustrated what a fundamentally decent guy he is. He’s infected by a symbiote that turns other people evil and it makes him into…kind of a dick.

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  • Asura

    Peter’s dance and the symbiote cells rhythmically bumping Peter’s blood cells killed the whole “bring out your dark side” element they lifted from the 90′s cartoon. I didn’t mind Grace as Venom so much as I didn’t buy Raimi’s excuse for leaving him out of mask: to show the actors’ emotions during the final battle. But then, it doesn’t surprise me. Raimi hated Venom as a character and at one point said Venom would never appear in his series.

  • Adrian

    Sony owns the live-action rights to Spider-Man and all that his mythos encompasses so it doesn’t matter whether it’s Peter Parker or Miles Morales or whoever else, really.

    That’s why Disney/Marvel can make the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon but can’t have much to do with the films save for Kevin Feige to get paid as executive producer.

  • TKS

    I LOVED what they did with the Mandarin. In the real world, the Mandarin was a racist creation that exploited the public’s xenophobia to cash in…and in the movie, the Mandarin was a racist creation that exploited the public’s xenophobia to cash in. They turned a pretty horrific stereotype into commentary.

    Seriously. Well done, Marvel.

  • http://jbsargent.wordpress.com/ TWOxACROSS

    I liked Amazing Spider-Man 1 :( I just wish he would have kept using the same suit. I liked that suit.

  • BatiHoney

    Yup, exactly. I totally agree with you 100%

  • Alexis Taylor

    What do you mean nobody cares? Everyone I know is psyched for these movies. They are such an improvement from the last Spider man series. The movie plot is interesting and Peter Parker’s love interest is actually likable for once! I mean, I know Mary Jane is endgame for him, but it’s nice to pretend for a moment that it’s real life and the nice guys end up with nice girls. Mary Jane just isn’t nice.

  • Alexis Taylor

    When I first read your comment I was half asleep so I thought you were talking about Garfield the Cat…

  • wonderman

    I’ll tell you why I hated Iron Man 3…false advertisement! Why the hell release a movie entitled Iron Man when tony stark isn’t even iron man for more than half the movie? And even worse, why have a villain that ISN’T the villain until the END of the movie?? And yes I get that the whole philosopical theme of the movie was is tony stark iron man without the armor or is he just a man thematic question. But honestly that dense of a theme has no place for a comic book movie….save those introspective question for a terrence malick arthouse flick. If it weren’t for robert downey jr. and the hype of the past iron man movies to carry this one to success, it would have bombed as it SHOULD have. Point in case: Picture a christopher nolan batman where bruce wayne doesn’t even wear his suit for a third of the movie and you get my point. Enough worldwide fans and little kids with their parents excused this and loved the film ….not me (and I know quite a few others who agree)

  • BatiHoney

    You should have replied to Ben English, not me… he’s the one who asked. As for me, I 100% disagree with you, but I respect your opinion c:

  • TKS

    Could it be because “Nazi” and “German” aren’t races, perhaps?

    The comics Mandarin is an amalgamation of racist stereotypes. You can have a villain who isn’t white that also isn’t racist. The trick is their portrayal. (Magneto isn’t an antisemitic character. Probably because his name isn’t “The Jew” and doesn’t have a cartoonishly big nose. Animated Lex Luthor wasn’t racist, even though he was black. It’s because he isn’t a stereotype.)

  • Jeff

    Yeah, the Sinister Six movie would be problematic in terms of them having to win at the end and thus kill Spidey. I hadn’t thought of that…but maybe Sony will come up with some other threat for them to go up against? I don’t know.

    Multiple Spider-men would certainly be interesting, as there’s plenty to go around and they’re all different in their own way. If they wanted to go crazy, I’d say after they’ve built up a solid universe they should do Spider-Man 2099. That would be cool to see, I think. And very different from other superhero films.

    And I’ve been waiting for Black Cat to make an appearance on the big screen for a while now. I think that she can definitely carry her own film, or at least serve as a supporting character in the Spidey films. Though if she does get her own film it would be hilarious if it came out the same year as Black Widow…

    Silver Sable is another character I think they can do a lot with. Done right, I think they could make her sort of like SHIELD counterpart in that she’s part of an organized group of people conspiring to take superpowered threats down. That was how it was in some of the Ultimate comics if I recall. Or she was at least affiliated with SHIELD. Basically they could build a kind of network of characters around her that either serve under her or with her. I think it could be cool. Maybe they could even tie her in with Flash Thompson Venom as another government agent.

    Hm…Stan Lee creating a new character…that’s interesting! Perhaps some sort of sidekick or counterpart to Spidey? Whatever it is, I think Sony can easily rival the MCU if they utilize everything at their disposal and play their cards right, like you said.

  • Nuuni Nuunani

    Well there are several other threats that are on the table for Sinister Six villians to tangle with. If their not alligned with Oscorp, Oscorp itself would make a fairly obvious target. If not, then options present themselves from Silver Sable to King Pin (if Fox and Marvel posess joint ownership of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver due to the characters sharing equel screen time on each, im sure the same applies for Kingpin) Silvermane….Could even go pulling out other Spidey villian teams such as The enforcers or Jury.
    They fortunately have numerous possibilities for a target, given that Spidermans universe did not consist of villains who got along swimmingly with one another and wished to share their villainy loot.

    Yeah~ And there is nothing that says all the spideys have to be based out of New York either. Could easily get away with having someone who sticks around Jersey trying to keep that place from becoming a cesspool of supervillains and suchness.

    Spiderman 2099 would be really cool and different from what everyone else has done so far. Though I suspect we wont see it until at least the third spiderman film. On the other hand if they do go that route, it would pave some way for Spidergirl to happen and give Mayday Parker a better chance to be in the spotlight.

    I confess, I am convinced that the only reason Marvel is even considering a Black Widow movie is because Godot said she is signed up for a three picture deal and Marvel wants to try competing with DC’s attempt at a superhero film with a female lead.
    I would be very amused and would not be entirly surprised if Sony was to announce a Black Cat film once Marvel announces their Black Widow to keep their cat burgler from being buried in followups, and that Fox who is noted for trying to jump onto Marvel’s bandwagon to try and pull off a Storm solo film as fast as possible.
    All appearing within the same year.
    Once DC makes it clear that they are willing to reach out to the female audiences, Marvel and thus Sony and Fox will fall over themselves in a desperate bid to jump on the band wagon and try to one up eachother. XD

    Having followed Sables more recent adventurees, how it was is that she worked for an organization that would work in tandem with SHIELD but was its own seperate entity. They posessed a few similar pieces of tech such as a hellicarrier, however they worked on a grander scale and were in at least one version, mostly based out of europe. There are several directions they could take sable which have good possibilities.
    Hmm…Sable and Flash Venom would make for an interesting combo…I kinda wanna see that…

    The only further bit of information I have regarding thee character is that Stan Lee specifically created a new hero so that Sony would be able to extend the Spiderman franchise with more characters aside from Spiderman…And that it will somehow be a character who ties into what is being built up in the universe to date. Which could mean anything as far as I know. (One theorist claims that it might be a robot of some sort because the studio has been messing with animatronics of late. Though that is probably just work with the Rhino stuff.)

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